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The manga has regular base and SBG base. So regular base is far inferior to SBG base.
Regukar base/SSJ1-3
SBG base=SSG/SSB=SSJ of that base.
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Regukar base/SSJ1-3
SBG base=SSG/SSB=SSJ of that base.
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Yes, notice it's SSR and not regular SSJ, because regular SSJ isn't GoD tier.
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Beerus stated Goku made the power his own so it’s just regular ki now instead of god ki from SSG.
Also his base actually surpassed SSG. (Vegeta stated he surpassed SSG).
Base Goku End of BOG >> SSJ Goku >= SSG Goku
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He became as strong as his Super Saiyan God self, just like BoG SSJ Goku in the DBS manga became as strong as his SSJ3 Buu Saga self.
Power growth. What's so shocking about it?
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Which Goku absorbed, yeah.
You can, yeah.
He absorbed the SSG in his base during BoG, but can transform normally afterwords in SSG, don't see the problem here.
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I guess BoG Manga Goku can't transform into a Super Saiyan 3 anymore by his logic.
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He didn't. He could only when he absorbed SSG. Beerus stated "The SSG power is burning like a flame inside you".
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If he absorbed the form like you claim, how come he couldn't use it afterwards?
Or maybe it's just because he became stronger,no? Shocking,I know.
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Except Alira said "There is no need of SSG, because Goku base absorbed it" So how does Goku have two SSG powers? Did he magically spawn it?
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Again the transformation comes with the power. Which is a fact. The reason he couldn't transform. Is because he already has the power and can't magically multiply SSG again to make SSG power stronger. He needed SSB to do that.
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What you're implying,btw, is that SSG has a set Power level which cannot be surpassed. I don't think I need to tell you how wrong that is.
Because, you know, it contradicts all of DB.
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You know what's nonsense this:
Base=SSG Power xSSJ1-3, xSSG transformation (Which is SSG power), xSSB which is SSG. So according to you base SSG x SSG (SSG Power) x 50 with SSB. Lmao
While in RoF it's base=SSG x50 with SSB=regular SSJ.
Don't bring your bumbo jumbo nonsense to RoF. When it's clear and simple.
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RoF Goku > BoG Goku.
Again by your logic , SSJ3 Buu Saga Goku is > SSJ BoG Goku because SSJ3 > SSJ
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If we're resorting to insults I'm going. Have a nice day.
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What are you waffling about lol, wait till you realize you can't ping staff
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No one can make a coherent argumenrs against the factual retcon, because it's not defensable.
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Waiting for a refutation.
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His base form is above SSG. Also why are you using movie interviews for the anime? The interview you’re using is the one containing the famous SSG is a 6, Beerus a 10, and Whis a 15 line.These movie interviews are not valid for the anime. Saiyan Beyond God only exists in the Movie not anime so it’s not SSG x SSG.
- Goku made the power of SSG(god ki) his own(His regular ki is now on that level and that power is his own now not SSG’s)
this might sound like headcanon but it’s the most logical explanation. Especially since Vegeta could now sense Goku’s power.
Goku also surpasses SSG in base. He isn’t only equal to it.
Goku base >> SSJ Goku BoG >= SSG
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I do not think you understood the argument
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your arguments are just bad, we have went over this so many times
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If anybody is curious, the references made to Toriyama are based on statements that only apply to the film version.
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My arguments are "bad". Yet, still no coherent response.
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if we're on the topic of coherency, your english could use a little work. that is none of my business, though.
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False, BoG and RoF are based on the movie. It's just a retelling with minor differences even Goku profile uses RoF movie guides and staement.
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Just don't reply to the troll.
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Adress my arguments.
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Not really, Goku absorbed the Power of SSG in his base.
But aftwerwords, he can transform into SSG again without any problem.
You failing to answer why would't he, is just a transformation.
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Whataboutism.
If Goku's profile references film-original information, then that information is to be removed from his profile. Expect a CRT in the near future.
And, yes, the anime stories are based on the films, but they are NOT the films. Is that clear yet? Like, the 2-C feat is not even present in the film version of Battle of Gods, and Piccolo does not die in the film version of Resurrection 'F'; Gotenks and Ginyu do not appear, either, and in the film, the Z-Fighters band together to alert Goku, whereas Gohan alerts Goku solo in the anime.
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Is English your first language?
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Because that means he has two SSG Goku. Logic alone says that can't be the case and Akira confirms this "SSG isn't needed, because he has the power in base" for the billionth time. Akira is saying "Goku CAN'T go SSG, because he already has it". Otherwise he would have said "Goku can use SSG power to increase his SSG power". The complete opposite.
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Is this from the movie? Toriyama's quote?
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Yes, and BoG and RoF are based on the movies. It's a retelling of it.
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If your argument is based on a Movie only statement, which is not canon to the anime, your argument really falls apart.
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Then for all intents and purposes the statement doesn't exist in either manga or anime continuity. It's only for Movie's version of the events where Beerus is much weaker.
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