Low 7-B Tournament - PaRappa The Rapper vs Cuphead

[Armorchompy]

Speed Equalized, fight takes place outside a parking lot.

PaRappa is 1.52 Megatons, Cuphead is 1.35 Megatons, 1.1515x AP advantage for PaRappa.

Cuphead: 6 - Armorchompy, Neko, SamanPatou, James, Leo, Tornado

PaRappa: 0

Incon: 0

 

[Armorchompy]

@CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 @LeoEpicGamer8910

 

[Armorchompy]

this is a cute little match, the two look right next to one another. that said uh, does parappa even fight? I was under the impression he just said funny words in his game

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

this is a cute little match, the two look right next to one another. that said uh, does parappa even fight? I was under the impression he just said funny words in his game

Yeah, his profile says he prefers to solve problems without violence, which probably isn't the best startegy when you're fighting Cuphead.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Hm. Is PaRappa's SI? It doesn't seem like MvC Phoenix Wright good, but he did convince Colonel Noodle to stop his plans.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

this is a cute little match, the two look right next to one another. that said uh, does parappa even fight? I was under the impression he just said funny words in his game

Parappa has fought in canon and is generally willing to fight in the name of self defense or to protect the people he loves

 

[CrackerVolley]

I mean if he decided to fight normally, he's absolutely going to get gunned down.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Cuphead has to use a shit ton of bullets to damage Glumstone, which means his attacks would at best stagger PaRappa

 

[CrackerVolley]

I really don't want to explain why that's not a big deal when Cuphead's ability list is larger than my employment resume.

Let's get back to the SI issue.

 

[Armorchompy]

Cuphead has to use a shit ton of bullets to damage Glumstone, which means his attacks would at best stagger PaRappa

His normal attacks, sure, he's used to having to wear foes down, that's every fight for him. His supers, not so much, those'd take a chunk out of PaRappa.

Parappa has fought in canon and is generally willing to fight in the name of self defense or to protect the people he loves

What does he do in combat?

Social Influencing seems like a pretty pointless thing to argue. The guy doesn't know Cuphead at all, SBA says Cuphead views him as a serious threat, I don't think there's a way he can reasonably convince him.

 

[CrackerVolley]

I don't know. PaRappa seems to be rather optimistic and social, so I think it's reasonable.
I also understand he has the close quarters advantage, but I frankly don't believe he'll ever manage to get in close.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't know. PaRappa seems to be rather optimistic and social, so I think it's reasonable.

The second boss in Cuphead literally just cries his eyes out for the entirety of the fight and Cuphead still beats the shit out of him

 

[CrackerVolley]

I mean, PaRappa's SI is more based on convincing people than making them feel bad.

 

[Armorchompy]

I mean like, even if he were to convince Cuphead to not fight that'd be an Incon, not a win for him.

 

[CrackerVolley]

I mean like, even if he were to convince Cuphead to not fight that'd be an Incon, not a win for him.

Incon? MvC Phoenix says hi.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't really care how characters I don't know from verses I don't know are treated in matches I haven't seen, there is absolutely no reason that supernaturally convincing someone to not beat the shit out of you would be anything other than a tie. You didn't beat them, they didn't beat you, it's a tie.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

i guess to start my debate for Parappa also to lead into how Parappa can win this

Parappa already has some pretty good edges in training and overall combat experience to note what he has

* expert in karate many types of karate including Chip Chop master onion’s, romantic karate, and has some military training

To go more into detail about Parappa’s Karate he’s considered to be exceptionally talented by chop chop Master onion to the point where he kicks down his dojo and states “I’ll lose money with more students like you” implying that Parappa is on par if not more skilled than him

Parappa also has some neat elasticity on his hands Which he has used to punch people across rooms

So all of this is to point out that Parappa has a major CQC and overall training advantage Cuphead has been in more fights but Parappa knows how to fight more and that isn’t to say he doesn’t because he has a couple of fights under his belt

Parappa has his ways of getting close as mentioned before his elasticity would help greatly in this regard

I might think of more points later! I’ll contact another pal for more Parappa chicanery but for now! Vote Parappa! You gotta believe in this debate!

 

[Armorchompy]

Can you give me specific examples of the elasticity? Generally it isn't something Cuphead has yet to experience, various bosses stretch their limbs to attack, and generally Cuphead's got really good mobility, he's really quick to jump, has an air dash, possibly other things depending on his loadout. Meanwhile he has reliable long-ranged attacks and if Parappa manages to dodge them he can just switch to the homing attack, which is weaker but basically impossible to dodge.

 

[CrackerVolley]

I don't really care how characters I don't know from verses I don't know are treated in matches I haven't seen, there is absolutely no reason that supernaturally convincing someone to not beat the shit out of you would be anything other than a tie. You didn't beat them, they didn't beat you, it's a tie.

You convince them to surrender.

 

[Hypertornado099]

His normal attacks, sure, he's used to having to wear foes down, that's every fight for him. His supers, not so much, those'd take a chunk out of PaRappa.

How much stronger are his supers?

I really don't want to explain why that's not a big deal when Cuphead's ability list is larger than my employment resume.

Let's get back to the SI issue.

Yeah and most of them are not win cons or anything

 

[Armorchompy]

You convince them to surrender.

To surrender using what? What argument does Parappa have for Cuphead to not only stop blasting his face in but straight-up yield and concede the fight? Social Influencing isn't a magic skill, you can't just say they're good at it, you have to actually tell me how and what sort of argument they would formulate to get the other person to agree with them.

 

[Armorchompy]

How much stronger are his supers?

There isn't a multiplier but Normal Attack < EX Moves < Super Arts with each being a decent gap in gameplay. I would also note that Cuphead also beat the Devil and Saltbaker, who're both superior to Glumstone. This doesn't mean he himself is but Glumstone's AP isn't the absolute highest he downscales from.

 

[CrackerVolley]

To surrender using what? What argument does Parappa have for Cuphead to not only stop blasting his face in but straight-up yield and concede the fight? Social Influencing isn't a magic skill, you can't just say they're good at it, you have to actually tell me how and what sort of argument they would formulate to get the other person to agree with them.

Well, what's motivating everyone to fight in this tournament?

 

[Armorchompy]

SBA says

"In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law."

So with all of that it's pretty unlikely Parappa can back up into convincing him that he's not a threat, and I can't see any conceivable way he could intimidate someone who's fought and beaten the literal Devil.

 

[CrackerVolley]

I never said intimidate.

And PaRappa literally convinced a guy to call off his world domination plans (that were motivated by a childhood of resentment to their dad).

 

[Armorchompy]

I never said intimidate.

You said "surrender". Convincing someone to not kill you isn't convincing them to surrender, you need to actually have them think that you can beat them.

And PaRappa literally convinced a guy to call off his world domination plans (that were motivated by a childhood of resentment to their dad).

That probably has its own context that is very different from an SBA fight, unless the context is specifically the same as the Cuphead fight I highly doubt that it's applicable here.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

Can you give me specific examples of the elasticity? Generally it isn't something Cuphead has yet to experience, various bosses stretch their limbs to attack, and generally Cuphead's got really good mobility, he's really quick to jump, has an air dash, possibly other things depending on his loadout. Meanwhile he has reliable long-ranged attacks and if Parappa manages to dodge them he can just switch to the homing attack, which is weaker but basically impossible to dodge.

I’ll grab scans in a second! Notably he used his elasticity to punch a dude from across a room

Also! In terms of the homing attacks Parappa actually has some experience with dodging homing missiles! It was one of his biggest speed feats until Um Jammer Lammy started to throw guitars to mars

 

[Armorchompy]

They're almost impossible to dodge reliably, they have a really high turning radius, shoot out constantly, and chase for a lot too

 

[Hypertornado099]

There isn't a multiplier but Normal Attack < EX Moves < Super Arts with each being a decent gap in gameplay. I would also note that Cuphead also beat the Devil and Saltbaker, who're both superior to Glumstone. This doesn't mean he himself is but Glumstone's AP isn't the absolute highest he downscales from.

Both of those still aren't really quantifiable other than "is stronger than the previous attack"

 

[Hypertornado099]

What was the context? Was it during a fight? Has PaRappa ever used social influencing during a fight? If not, what situations has he used them in?

I never said intimidate.

And PaRappa literally convinced a guy to call off his world domination plans (that were motivated by a childhood of resentment to their dad).

 

[Armorchompy]

Both of those still aren't really quantifiable other than "is stronger than the previous attack"

that's what i said, with a "notably" ahead of "stronger".

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

They're almost impossible to dodge reliably, they have a really high turning radius, shoot out constantly, and chase for a lot too

I guess something to note is that they do dissipate after hitting a surface I think Parappa could use his skateboards to either misdirect them or directly block them. Misdirection isn’t the most reliable but the skateboard is definitely something that can be utilized to block it at the very least!

We have seen Parappa redirect homing attacks heading for him into the ground which he can likely do here!

 

[Armorchompy]

I'd like to see scans for that too but generally it doesn't sound like it can be sustained indefinitely especially while trying to close up on Cuphead.

I wasn't aware there were so many fight scenes in the game, I thought the dude just rapped

 

[CrackerVolley]

Listen, I'm going to be out and about for the next 2ish hours, so I'll let you guys figure things out.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Parappa does this and wins.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

I'd like to see scans for that too but generally it doesn't sound like it can be sustained indefinitely especially while trying to close up on Cuphead.

I wasn't aware there were so many fight scenes in the game, I thought the dude just rapped

Actually! It’s not in the game it’s from the anime :33

 

[Armorchompy]

didn't know there was one, learning a lot today

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Speaking seriously, aside from Noodles Can't Be Beat, I don't remember a scenario where Parappa has rapped himself out of a hostile scenario. (Characters in Parappa's universe are more willing to rap along with him, or rather, are the instigators of the musical numbers instead of him to my knowledge) Is there anything from the anime that might help with this?

 

[CrackerVolley]

There's also the thing in the anime where his hat falls off and some birds end up stunned/dumbfounded from seeing what was underneath it, so he might get something similar to fear manip as well.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

I'd like to see scans for that too but generally it doesn't sound like it can be sustained indefinitely especially while trying to close up on Cuphead.

I wasn't aware there were so many fight scenes in the game, I thought the dude just rapped

Scans! Scans! and more Scans!
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca8...0.cwxkAP-w16kLd3jO0L_GIwpdghyzGsGo1d0fUFRVq4I
Missile Scan! Stretchy scan! was there any more you wanted? (I need to take another look at the anime! it's really good!)