All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[MeiouHades]

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

Do you actually think he was talking about Goku literally being rated at 2-A?

 

[ChronoULT]

Oh yeah, we can't do the [Value] anymore
Can still do the Kira version tho

Good to know, thanks

 

[MeiouHades]

true fans only want goku at planetary guys, like why would you want him to be stronger?

Then there isn’t a truer Goku fan than vs wiki mods lol. Especially Deagon, a true Goku fan. Why’re we even here? Let him do all the scaling.

 

[Deagonx]

Do you actually think he was talking about Goku literally being rated at 2-A?

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?

true fans only want goku at planetary guys, like why would you want him to be stronger?

VSBW profiles don't make characters stronger. They can either be accurate or inaccurate. Imo yes, true fans want profiles to be accurate

 

[TiltedFN]

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

Man the fact that people think anything above 2-C for DB is just wank, wrong, and stupid will always be funny. People just can't fathom db being strong, they hate it so much, i dont understand.

 

[Deagonx]

Man the fact that people think anything above 2-C for DB is just wank, wrong, and stupid will always be funny. People just can't fathom db being strong.

That wasn't an answer to my question.

 

[MeiouHades]

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?

I don’t like the fact that Base Toei Goku is rated 2-C, what do you think? You think all DB fans want here is to just upgrade DB mindlessly?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I'm up for 2A Goku, if he gets a 2A feat.

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?

It sounded like you were the one who would be unhappy with 2A Goku. I think the hypothetical that was presented about Goku being 2A came with the unsaid assumption he had proper backing for that rating, it was a question that assumed good faith.

 

[MeiouHades]

That wasn't an answer to my question.

It was.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?



VSBW profiles don't make characters stronger. They can either be accurate or inaccurate. Imo yes, true fans want profiles to be accurate

It was tongue and cheek chief, I wasn't taking any actual stance with that post, just trying to add levity

 

[pineappleman]

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

you're going off a false premise here, most of the DB supporters believe that Goku's strength is higher than is portrayed in the wiki, and that his profile currently is 'wildly wildly wrong'

 

[MeiouHades]

Might be hard for him to believe but DB fans aren’t here to get Goku to 1-A or anything. We are here to prevent bullshit like Low 2-C and below.

 

[Deagonx]

I don’t like the fact that Base Toei Goku is rated 2-C, what do you think? You think all DB fans want here is to just upgrade DB mindlessly?

If I thought that, I wouldn't have asked you the question that you still have not answered.

I'm up for 2A Goku, if he gets a 2A feat. I don't know why it was assumed people would want
It sounded like you were the one who would be unhappy with 2A Goku. I think the hypothetical that was presented about Goku being 2A came with the unsaid assumption he had proper backing for that rating, it was a question that assumed good faith.

Why would that be the case?

It was.

It wasn't. My question remains unanswered.

It was tongue and cheek chief, I wasn't taking any actual stance with that post, just trying to add levity

A lot of people actually think that way.

you're going off a false premise here, most of the DB supporters believe that Goku's strength is higher than is portrayed in the wiki, and that his profile currently is 'wildly wildly wrong'

And that's a travesty, to be honest. People should strive for accuracy, not inflating a rating to whatever can be feasibly argued for. Many profiles are wildly overrated beyond what is justified by the source material.

Might be hard for him to believe but DB fans aren’t here to get Goku to 1-A or anything. We are here to prevent bullshit like Low 2-C and below.

DB fans aren't a monolith, believe it or not. There are several who would actually love to see Goku become 1-A, because it's treated like a pissing contest between different Fandoms, accuracy is secondary.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

You can't really be fully accurate with this stuff, there's always room for interpretation, a lot of it is interpretive

 

[Deagonx]

Tier 6 regular humans isn't interpretive. It's a product of battleboards and battleboards only.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Eh, I just take it as Toriyama not actually knowing how much energy is actually needed to destroy the Moon, it's simply a byproduct of that
Also I still believe humans in DB are High 6-A, but I ain't able to convince anyone lol

 

[TiltedFN]

DB fans aren't a monolith, believe it or not. There are several who would actually love to see Goku become 1-A, because it's treated like a pissing contest between different Fandoms, accuracy is secondary.

There are tons of fandoms like that, not just us smh, yeah but you don't have to worry about anything above 2-C, because it will never happen on here.

 

[pineappleman]

And that's a travesty, to be honest. People should strive for accuracy, not inflating a rating to whatever can be feasibly argued for. Many profiles are wildly overrated beyond what is justified by the source material.

you consider people having a different opinion than you, backed by official sources a travesty?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

If I thought that, I wouldn't have asked you the question that you still have not answered.


Why would that be the case?

It wasn't. My question remains unanswered.

A lot of people actually think that way.

And that's a travesty, to be honest. People should strive for accuracy, not inflating a rating to whatever can be feasibly argued for. Many profiles are wildly overrated beyond what is justified by the source material.


DB fans aren't a monolith, believe it or not. There are several who would actually love to see Goku become 1-A, because it's treated like a pissing contest between different Fandoms, accuracy is secondary.

Why would I assume good faith when engaging in a hypothetical?

'A lot of people think that way' okay well I just told you it was tongue and cheek.

 

[Deagonx]

There are tons of fandoms like that, not just us

You're right. And that's what I'm saying. Nearly every fandom is like that here. It's disappointing IMO.

you consider people having a different opinion than you, backed by official sources a travesty?

What? I didn't say anything like that.

Why would I assume good faith when engaging in a hypothetical?

No, why would you assume he meant new evidence would he involved for 2-A rather than basing it on the current available evidence

 

[TiltedFN]

You're right. And that's what I'm saying. Nearly every fandom is like that here. It's disappointing IMO.

Nah, but you saying shit like "if goku were to become 2-A, you would be happy for him being rated something so wrong" is so weird, you speak as if your opinion is fact.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We can't enter someone's mind to check what their intentions are, I for one, always take any upgrades proposed as genuine

 

[MeiouHades]

He’s proving why I refused to engage with him any further on the uncomposite thread lol. I wish this was discord, I could say what I really want to.

 

[Deagonx]

Nah, but you saying shit like "if goku were to become 2-A, you would be happy for him being rated something so wrong" is so weird, you speak as if your opinion is fact.

Opinion only takes you so far. Am I supposed to take it seriously if someone advocates for Tier 0 Goku if they say it's their opinion?

We've all seen/read the series. We know what Goku has actually done and what he hasn't. There's room for flexibility, sure, but that's not what I'm talking about anyways.

 

[MeiouHades]

Nah, but you saying shit like "if goku were to become 2-A, you would be happy for him being rated something so wrong" is so weird, you speak as if your opinion is fact.

Cuz he thinks it is.

 

[pineappleman]

What? I didn't say anything like that.

I mean, you literally did.

 

[Deagonx]

If you have to strawman me that egregiously I think it speaks to your credibility rather poorly, IMO.

 

[TiltedFN]

Opinion only takes you so far. Am I supposed to take it seriously if someone advocates for Tier 0 Goku if they say it's their opinion?

What in the hell are you on about, if the evidence presented is accurate, then yes, if not, no.

We've all seen/read the series. We know what Goku has actually done and what he hasn't. There's room for flexibility, sure, but that's not what I'm talking about anyways.

Yeah we do know what goku has done, but some people see it differently then others, stop talking like what you are saying is absolute, it comes off as extremely arrogant. Nobody has the exact same opinions on anything power scaling.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

You're right. And that's what I'm saying. Nearly every fandom is like that here. It's disappointing IMO.

What? I didn't say anything like that.

No, why would you assume he meant new evidence would he involved for 2-A rather than basing it on the current available evidence

Because it's a hypothetical. I genuinely don't understand what's the issue here.

 

[MeiouHades]

If you have to strawman me that egregiously I think it speaks to your credibility rather poorly, IMO.

You blatantly refuse the fact that typed the very words you just did, and you’re talking about my credibility? Anyway, I’m really no longer interested in conversing with you, so take this as a last one.

 

[Deagonx]

What in the hell are you on about, if the evidence presented is accurate, then yes, if not, no.

And we are both in agreeance that there is absolutely no evidence of him being Tier 0 and such a tier would be completely incompatible with the story, yes?

Yeah we do know what goku has done, but some people see it differently then others, stop talking like what you are saying is absolute, it comes off as extremely arrogant. Nobody has the exact same opinions on anything power scaling.

Subjectivity only goes so far. Tier 0 Goku wouldn't be an opinion, it'd just be egregiously wrong.

You blatantly refuse the fact that typed the very words you just did, and you’re talking about my credibility? Anyway, I’m really no longer interested in conversing with you, so take this as a last one.

I wasn't even replying to you, but no, I didn't say anything remotely like his strawman of me.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I don't think anyone has ever actually done a CRT that was "Goku should be Tier 1 because I said so"
They usually have proof that made them think so, even if it's not the best

 

[TiltedFN]

And we are both in agreeance that there is absolutely no evidence of him being Tier 0 and such a tier would be completely incompatible with the story, yes?

For tier 0, but you initially started with 2-A, so why are you shifting the argument? Because there are arguments for 2-A/Low 1-C goku that aren't bad.

Subjectivity only goes so far. Tier 0 Goku wouldn't be an opinion, it'd just be egregiously wrong.

See this is your problem lmao, you think its wrong, I agree, but stop talking as if its just some absolute factual truth.

 

[pineappleman]

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

you're going off a false premise here, most of the DB supporters believe that Goku's strength is higher than is portrayed in the wiki, and that his profile currently is 'wildly wildly wrong'

And that's a travesty, to be honest. People should strive for accuracy, not inflating a rating to whatever can be feasibly argued for. Many profiles are wildly overrated beyond what is justified by the source material.

strawman btw

 

[Deagonx]

See this is your problem lmao, you think its wrong, I agree, but stop talking as if its just some absolute factual truth.

The idea that a characters strength cannot be tethered to anything with objectivity is not really something I consider reasonable.

 

[MeiouHades]

I’ll say it for the 69420th time, deleting the verse would literally solve ALL of these problems and then some. Why do people think it’s such a bad idea? Not like it hasn’t been done before. Should I make that CRT? Would it even be called a CRT? Or a Verse Deletion Thread?

 

[Deagonx]

[Snip]

Yes those are my quotes. I stand by them.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Not like it hasn’t been done before.

I'm kinda curious about this part

 

[pineappleman]

The idea that a characters strength cannot be tethered to anything with objectivity is not really something I consider reasonable.

written guidebook statements are literally as objective as you get, and you have consistently proved to value your own opinion on the matter over them in DB threads

Yes those are my quotes. I stand by them.

Christ, even outside of debate threads he's a stonewaller lol

 

[MeiouHades]

Christ, even outside of debate threads he's a stonewaller lol

Even Goku ain’t breaking this wall