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Will Clive get a pre-timeskip key?
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Final Fantasy 16 discussion thread
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You mean 15 year Old Clive? Sure I don't see why he wouldn't have one
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He should honestly
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Does he get better feats than "breaks wooden object"?
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Im thinking something like this.
|15 years old | 23 Years Old | 28 Years Old | Post Phoenix absorbed/Vs Ultima |
6-C (Was able to defeat an imperial dragoon), High 6-C with Ifrit (His hellfire is this powerful, could trade blows with and overpower phoenix) | 6-C (could match and harm Garuda), High 6-C with Semi-priming, higher with Ifrit | 6-C, High 6-C with Semi-Priming, higher with Ifrit (Could overpower and defeat Titan Lost), High 6-A with Ifrit Risen (Could match and overpower Bahamut) | 4-A (Traded blows with and killed Ultimalius), higher with Ifrit Risen (could match and defeat Ulitma Prime)
This is generally how I see it
|15 years old | 23 Years Old | 28 Years Old | Post Phoenix absorbed/Vs Ultima |
6-C (Was able to defeat an imperial dragoon), High 6-C with Ifrit (His hellfire is this powerful, could trade blows with and overpower phoenix) | 6-C (could match and harm Garuda), High 6-C with Semi-priming, higher with Ifrit | 6-C, High 6-C with Semi-Priming, higher with Ifrit (Could overpower and defeat Titan Lost), High 6-A with Ifrit Risen (Could match and overpower Bahamut) | 4-A (Traded blows with and killed Ultimalius), higher with Ifrit Risen (could match and defeat Ulitma Prime)
This is generally how I see it
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I think it needs more elaboration, explanations on why the Dragoon is 6-C, and mentioning some of the feats he scales to on his profile (e.g "Traded blows with and killed Ultimalius who created a starry sky). People won't have to follow giant scaling chains if you explain enough in the profiles themselves
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Im very well aware this is just my general thoughts on it not a fully written out explanation, and considering Dragoons are a tough fight for his 23 year old self and can press him then as well they'd likely be at that level downscaling.
Also the starry sky bit is unneeded considering it would just be on Ultima's page so we don't have to explain the feat on clives
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That said though the starry sky realm looks to be the actual interdimension rift dimension Ultima was confirmed to have created considering we see pieces of the structures that we saw there present during the fight with Ultima Prime so we've got some pretty solid grounds
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But the interdimensional rift is the plane between universes in other final fantasy games like XIV and XI.
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Maybe it could just be a naming thing because in this game its directly started its Ulitma's creation
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Is it stated to be between worlds?
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Yes it has that statement but I'm purely talking about it in the sense that its directly stated to be Ultima's creation and that its seemingly also the starryrealm that Ifrit Risen and Ultima Prime fight at
Hopefully I don't sound rude but for now I don't really want to or rather care to try and connect threads to other games even if it has some of same concepts and things we have no real reason to connect them YET as nothing is confirmed by WoG on the connections
That's not to say don't try to make connections because it pays to be prepared but for now I don't wanna have stuff added that could easily not be the case and wasn't said in the game
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Yeah for now we'll only stick with what we have from FF16, like if Square Enix ends up doing crossover stuff in the future then yeah we can start using that but as of right now there's no good reason to use anything from other games yet
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We still need to see Leviathan in action first lel
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What tier would Barnabas get for you? I'd personally put him at High 6-A
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Unless his splitting attack gets like teratons or something, he'd be High 6-C via his superiority to Pheonix and being equal to (base) Bahamut
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Didn't he fought Bahamut on standstill and could only be defeated by Clive the third time they fought after he got the powers of six Eikons (including a mastered Ifrit) and still needed the help of Joshua/phoenix? Not to mention he's the only Dominant to never truly transform outside of cutscenes, he almost always and exclusively fights in semi-priming form, yet can easily crush a Prime Jill and can clash with Clive and Joshua during their final fight
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Yeah but all that really gets him is High 6-C via upscaling from the other Eikons and Dominants, High 6-A is the best feat for the Eikons but that's from a massively roided out Bahamut and only Ifrit Risen had the power to match, we don't have anything that puts normal Ifrit / Clive on the same level as Ifrit Risen when they fight Odin / Barnabas
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I'd imagine dominants have another layer of resistance over the shit they get for resisting aetherfloods
considering "bearer's don't even begin to approach" the levels of dominants and still have resistance enough to not get insta negged and die in aetherfloods.
also this
the results of Aetherfloods and its ability to turn things Akashic effects also effects flora as well as stated here and as we saw with the deadlands, that including statements of those who are Akashic are soulless and have lost their will's which is what binds consiousness together so really I suppose in a sense to some degree people could potentially get Supernatural willpower for simply withstanding this shit, but at least we can add a basic life manip resistance from akashic shit
considering "bearer's don't even begin to approach" the levels of dominants and still have resistance enough to not get insta negged and die in aetherfloods.
also this
the results of Aetherfloods and its ability to turn things Akashic effects also effects flora as well as stated here and as we saw with the deadlands, that including statements of those who are Akashic are soulless and have lost their will's which is what binds consiousness together so really I suppose in a sense to some degree people could potentially get Supernatural willpower for simply withstanding this shit, but at least we can add a basic life manip resistance from akashic shit
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I like the supernatural willpower scaling chain this gives us, Benedickta and Huga despite having that level of willpower lacked the will to control their Eikons after Clive stole their powers but Dions willpower was enough to control Bahamut during the brief fight with Ultima Prime, Clive has the greatest will out of everyone and the whole thing with him staggering others is that he's briefly making them lose the will to fight back which is insane since he can do this to the dominants and the Eikons and eventually Ultima himself, Ultima would've controlled Clive after the Titan Lost and the first Ultima fight if Joshua didn't intervene and help him break outta it and by endgame Ultima can't even hope to control him in the slightest.
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I appreciate you actually putting this to words because its absolutely as insane as it sounds
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I think this is the first verse I've seen that has layered supernatural willpower lmao, it really is insane.
If we put Clive into a vs thread against someone that also has supernatural willpower he will somehow bypass that shit and make them lose the will to fight anyway just by punching them a lot which is complete nonsense and I love it.
If we put Clive into a vs thread against someone that also has supernatural willpower he will somehow bypass that shit and make them lose the will to fight anyway just by punching them a lot which is complete nonsense and I love it.
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Shit I mean bro resist life manip, corruption, madness manip, and mind manip through sheer willpower and magic power
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Willpower in FF16 ain't no joke, just watch the DLC have Clive resist type 1 conceptual manipulation via sheer will
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I wanna flex this so bad but I'm waiting rn
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POV: You have supernatural willpower that lets you resist mind control and power through fatal injuries and Clive is still somehow beating the will to live outta you
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Just wait until he gets his Dissidia key and he can do all sorts of BS based on pure willpower
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Ultima being 4-A is pretty good though
I'm kind of disappointed Ramuh doesn't have a bigger role (same as with XV btw) but hey, we get an epic Cid
I'm kind of disappointed Ramuh doesn't have a bigger role (same as with XV btw) but hey, we get an epic Cid
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Bump
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ok fellas the big question, Dion/Bahamuts light attacks, light speed or no?
Something to note about his light attacks is that a lot of the beam attacks in particular move in a straight line and burn instead of exploding (Although some still do explode)
Something to note about his light attacks is that a lot of the beam attacks in particular move in a straight line and burn instead of exploding (Although some still do explode)
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I believe so and they're the only thing that has any motion in bullet time when literally everything is frozen so calculating that with snail speed would yield insane results either way so I'd say yeah
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If some do explode, then that means the light element attacks don't really act like light
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Yeah but that's only for some attacks and its still fine since as I said they would still net bare minimum Sub-Relatvisitic speeds so they're still qualifying for that
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Is the 4-a rating based on the arena you fight Ultima's final form in?
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He created the realm it said but yeah
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Yeah, due to the active time lore™ we know Ultima created the dimensions you fight him in
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Active time lore?
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Yeah the active time lore, if you pause during the section where you're in the interdimensional rift it gives lore that it's a space created by Ultima. Same with the weird mind dimension he makes Clive fight Typhon in.
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Oh?
By chance do you have those statements
By chance do you have those statements
