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1-B Bayonetta Verse Upgrades

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Sir_Ovens said:
My main gripe is that we are never explicitly told how we're supposed to view the diagram. The issue arises when different interpretations of it come up and no one can definitively tell which is the right one based on canon evidence.

I'm more comfortable not using the diagram for scaling.
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What's your stance on whether or not the diamonds in the diagram themselves are reflective of qualitive superiority?
 
Sir_Ovens said:
My main gripe is that we are never explicitly told how we're supposed to view the diagram. The issue arises when different interpretations of it come up and no one can definitively tell which is the right one based on canon evidence.

I'm more comfortable not using the diagram for scaling.
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Okay then. In my opinion I thought that them saying each diamond represents a layer would have been enough.

Since the diamonds are a depiction of the crest that Aesir adorns in his body, I believe a 2-D view would have been the intention. But the skepticism is well founded.

Would you be fine with Low 1-C, possibly High 1-C, if we were to count them as they’re presented in the story, or is “Likely higher” all you’ll settle for?
 
Comicgyal said:
Okay then. In my opinion I thought that them saying each diamond represents a layer would have been enough.

Since the diamonds are a depiction of the crest that Aesir adorns in his body, I believe a 2-D view would have been the intention. But the skepticism is well founded.

Would you be fine with Low 1-C, possibly High 1-C, if we were to count them as they’re presented in the story, or is “Likely higher” all you’ll settle for?
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I guess he has problems with qualitative superiority between layers.
 
Okay. So it seems like 6-D is well enough approved, Ovens is fine with likely higher, are you fine with that as well DDM? Or do you still prefer we use your count? I ask, because if you prefer the count then we may call in more staff for a third opinion.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
Going off this Album bit by bit
  1. Tiny Diamond at the bottom. Check
  2. Another solid diamond. Check
  3. Bottom half looks like it's part of an intersection, but top half don't see any adjacent diamonds it could be adjacent to so. Go ahead and Check this too
  4. Clearly part of an intersection between above and below bigger diamonds. So Cross that out
  5. Intersection. Cross that out
  6. Intersection. Cross that out
  7. That's a diamond. Check
  8. It's another Diamond. Check
  9. Big Diamond. Check
  10. Real tiny intersection. Cross out for sure
  11. This is a diamond however. Check
  12. Finally, we have the real big diamond. Check
Think that leaves 8 left which makes it 11D and thus High 1-C?
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Sir_Ovens said:
I don't like that you manually counted the diamonds and included ones that are clearly beside each other. The whole illustration is a bit of an illusion and I think it's best if we don't assume that certain diamonds made via stacking other diamonds be counted as layers by themselves. After all, it is never explained how we're supposed to view the diagram. Are we supposed to view the diagram as a 2D plane, where the layers are stacked in a way that makes the top diamonds superior to the lower ones? Or are the diamonds stacked on top of each other in a 3D manner, thus creating the pattern we see? Unless the diagram has a clear explanation, I'm not keen on using a manual count of overlapping diamonds as proof of layers.

The 6D is solid though, and even if the diagram isn't clear, the multi-layer part makes me think they can get a "Low 1-C, likely higher"
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This, the diamond count in the OP isn't accurate.
 
Okay. Should we call in another staff to evaluate, or perhaps you and ovens can sort it between each other?
 
Comicgyal said:
Okay. So it seems like 6-D is well enough approved, Ovens is fine with likely higher, are you fine with that as well DDM? Or do you still prefer we use your count? I ask, because if you prefer the count then we may call in more staff for a third opinion.
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You should expect more staff on such controversial issues, especially Tier 1 issues.
 
Comicgyal said:
Bayonetta threads usually don’t have much staff input unfortunately. We usually have around 2-3, even on our last tier 1 thread.
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Hmm... I see. Then it looks like 6-D Niflheim and 5D haxs are applicable, but I can't say the same for possibly H1-C or 1-B. :coffee:
 
There was commentary of it above, but I assume they don't mind anything proposed aside from what they gave their grievances over.
 
I’ll just go ahead and disagree with Higher Dimensional existence for Bayo, at least in base. For singularity it’s fine but Bayo’s will overturning Phenomenal Affirmation would be Higher Dimensional Manipulation.

Now if the HDE is for masquerades then I don’t have a problem.

Ig I’ll agree with 6D and I have no opinion on the diamond stuff
 
Valiant_Abyss said:
I’ll just go ahead and disagree with Higher Dimensional existence for Bayo, at least in base. For singularity it’s fine but Bayo’s will overturning Phenomenal Affirmation would be Higher Dimensional Manipulation.

Now if the HDE is for masquerades then I don’t have a problem.

Ig I’ll agree with 6D and I have no opinion on the diamond stuff
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Agree with this, except I trust in the 💎
 
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Alright then, so, here’s what I believe is approved on so far.

• HDE for Singularity
• All hax scaling to their tiers due to fighting Singularity / affecting the WoC
• HDE for Bayo (Demon Masquerade)
• Inferno and Paradiso scaling to the WoC dimensionality
• 6-D Nilfheim (thus making Singularity’s HDE 6-D)
• Likely higher tier / Likely high 1C rating.

Will likely need another staff to break the tie for the last one.
 
Comicgyal said:
Alright then, so, here’s what I believe is approved on so far.

• HDE for Singularity
• All hax scaling to their tiers due to fighting Singularity / affecting the WoC
• HDE for Bayo (Demon Masquerade)
• Inferno and Paradiso scaling to the WoC dimensionality
• 6-D Nilfheim (thus making Singularity’s HDE 6-D)
• Likely higher tier / Likely high 1C rating.

Will likely need another staff to break the tie for the last one.
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But before that, I wanna make sure. Are you absolutely certain that your scaling of the diamond layers is not flawed at all? Just saying, it definitely is. You can revise your work again for any mistake
 
Comicgyal said:
Alright then, so, here’s what I believe is approved on so far.

• HDE for Singularity
• All hax scaling to their tiers due to fighting Singularity / affecting the WoC
• HDE for Bayo (Demon Masquerade)
• Inferno and Paradiso scaling to the WoC dimensionality
• 6-D Nilfheim (thus making Singularity’s HDE 6-D)
• Likely higher tier / Likely high 1C rating.

Will likely need another staff to break the tie for the last one.
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Singularity's HDE should only scale to the Multiverse (4D), not the structure of Space and Time established by the diamonds.
 
Comicgyal said:
Alright then, so, here’s what I believe is approved on so far.

• HDE for Singularity
• All hax scaling to their tiers due to fighting Singularity / affecting the WoC
• HDE for Bayo (Demon Masquerade)
• Inferno and Paradiso scaling to the WoC dimensionality
• 6-D Nilfheim (thus making Singularity’s HDE 6-D)
• Likely higher tier / Likely high 1C rating.

Will likely need another staff to break the tie for the last one.
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Possibly higher can be working but I disagree with possibly/likely H1-C. Here you cannot scale with the decision of a single staff. Especially until we can prove the qualitative transcendence between the layers. You should prove that qualitative superiority, otherwise, forget higher than 6-D.
 
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Georredannea15 said:
Possibly higher can be working but I disagree with possibly/likely H1-C. Here you cannot scale with the decision of a single staff. Especially until we can prove the qualitative transcendence between the layers. You should prove that qualitative superiority, otherwise, forget higher than 6-D.
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To which the layers don't have QS, until I am proven wrong. That has yet to change
 
Georredannea15 said:
Possibly higher can be working but I disagree with possibly/likely H1-C. Here you cannot scale with the decision of a single staff. Especially until we can prove the qualitative transcendence between the layers. You should prove that qualitative superiority, otherwise, forget higher than 6-D.
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That's why we will wait for one more staff to evaluate. It's 50/50 currently.
 
Georredannea15 said:
That's exactly what I mean.
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Ginnungagap is established as a layer, of which encompasses the World of Chaos (The Multiverse) in the same was the Universe encompasses a planet. Niflheim is another layer. Then diamonds in the scan say that they overlap like how the matrix of space and time has layers overlap. Is that not how it works?
 
ZXareo said:
Ginnungagap is established as a layer, of which encompasses the World of Chaos (The Multiverse) in the same was the Universe encompasses a planet. Niflheim is another layer. Then diamonds in the scan say that they overlap like how the matrix of space and time has layers overlap. Is that not how it works?
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That still not the prove of qualitative superiority.
 
So if this goes through Bayo will stomp GoW?

Also this one has way more staff support than the GoW thread, shouldn't it just be applied now?
 
ZXareo said:
Ginnungagap is established as a layer, of which encompasses the World of Chaos (The Multiverse) in the same was the Universe encompasses a planet. Niflheim is another layer. Then diamonds in the scan say that they overlap like how the matrix of space and time has layers overlap. Is that not how it works?
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Ginnungagap is stated to be an abyss between the worlds but does have a higher stand over them. Nifelheim was not properly assessed since the Lumen Sage did state he has no time to be collected to confirm this as he was being pursued by demons. So 6-D's still iffy, 5-D's fine

The diamonds may be overlapping but that's the same thing as stacking numerous frames together into a cohesive video of events happening in each timeline. I've gone over this in a post I made in the first page of this CRT
 
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