Toaru High 1-B Upgrade

[PhantomØ4]

I agree that high 1-B doesn’t really make sense. It never mentions the set of whole numbers as far as I can tell.

Though, how high into 1-B would this even be? If you disagree with high 1-B, why couldn’t the statements just refer to the whole numbers of dimensions we know the verse already has?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

It would be pretty high into 1B. A dimensions represented by whole numbers into 1B. Not sure if that is transfinite or something similar

 

[ImmortalDread]

No, it is not transfinite number if you are referring to "the whole number of dimensions"

 

[ImmortalDread]

It does not include any infinite quantities.

 

[Iiliminal]

tbh if it’s not high 1-B then why would it be anything higher than high 1-C

 

[ImmortalDread]

Agreed.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

tbh if it’s not high 1-B then why would it be anything higher than high 1-C

Can't tell if your being sarcastic, or really need me to explain it.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Can't tell if your being sarcastic, or really need me to explain it.

It's a possibility tho. All could refer to the existent ones. Even this is the least assumed possibility

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

It's a possibility tho. All could refer to the existent ones. Even this is the least assumed possibility

That's why I said "Possibly" is the best choice for a rating.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Transfinite, as in below infinite. That is the point, saying it's not infinite

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I mean there are infinite whole numbers like there are infinite natural numbers. a possibly for high 1-B seems fine.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Ya there is also uncountable infinite whole numbers too, let's extend it to tier 0, as this is also the possibility.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I agree. Extend it to Tier 0.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Transfinite, as in below infinite. That is the point, saying it's not infinite

Transfinite refers to infinite sets, so calling it Transfinite in any regard is disingenuous.

I mean there are infinite whole numbers like there are infinite natural numbers. a possibly for high 1-B seems fine.

There are infinite whole numbers, in the set of whole numbers, but whole numbers in and of themself, are finite. As I said, there is no whole number that represents infinity, as such whole numbers can never reach infinity, however, there is also no limit to how high they can go numerically.

It's the difference between countless and infinite, that's why it's possibly 1-B, not High 1-B.

 

[PhantomØ4]

In the case 1-B does get through, this really needs to be put as a note on the scan if y’all do imgur.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Ya there is also uncountable infinite whole numbers too, let's extend it to tier 0, as this is also the possibility.

Infinite whole numbers isnt that big of an assumption as you think unlike uncountable infinite amount of that.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Both are big assumptions than the 2 possibilities that me and spaceman have done.

Even then, I already explained why it is still within the boundaries of finite numbers realm. So assuming infinite is far stretched, specially we don't even have any infinite hierarchy to begin with.

Altho, I feel solid high 1-C is already enough. Possibly rating would only be sufficient if it indicates any possibility that is further than what we have seen.

 

[Iiliminal]

Goku slams

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Since this is changing, and I agree with what's being said about it. Possibly 1-B seems to work better to me. Transfinite was not right tho, it's whatever the phrase for all whole number dimensions would be, below infinite which I forgot what that would be tbh

 

[Iiliminal]

it would smth like High 1-C, possibly 1-B

 

[PhantomØ4]

Take off the At Least

 

[Iiliminal]

Goku

 

[Fixxed]

As said in the past, the statement doesn't say all integer dimensions exist. It only says Curtana cuts through all the integer dimensions that exist.

Are the translation in OP is false??

Because it stated
"That sword had no tip or blade, but it still held the ability to slice through all whole number dimensions."

 

[Piamma]

Are the translation in OP is false??

Because it stated
"That sword had no tip or blade, but it still held the ability to slice through all whole number dimensions."

I've already posted the Japanese original above.
all integer number dimensions = 整数全次元

If "all whole number dimensions" and "all integer number dimensions" mean the same thing, then it definitely exists as a text.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I think none have said it is wrong translation

 

[Fixxed]

I've already posted the Japanese original above.
all integer number dimensions = 整数全次元

If "all whole number dimensions" and "all integer number dimensions" mean the same thing, then it definitely exists as a text.

No, not that

"All whole/integer number dimensions" Is have different meaning with "all whole number dimensions that exist"

I mean the first one is mean dimensions is exist as much as the whole number, and the next is mean just limited to whole number's dimensions that being exist or mentioned

So i ask DT if the translation is false or not, because i think what he say is contradict with the scan in OP

 

[Aseka]

So i ask DT if the translation is false or not, because i think what he say is contradict with the scan in OP

Piamma have sent the raw text, and it's not a false translation. You can translate it if you want.

 

[Aseka]

I'm also confused, why assume that all whole number dimensions refers to the dimensions that exists.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, it'd be assumptive to claim that a statement among the lines of "can destroy everything" means that structures that were never confirmed to exist in the setting are a thing to begin with, especially for a kind of rating this high.

 

[AKUTO123]

I mean, it'd be assumptive to claim that a statement among the lines of "can destroy everything" means that structures that were never confirmed to exist in the setting are a thing to begin with, especially for a kind of rating this high.

Considering that there is no hierarchy, we accept words like "if there was a hierarchy, it would exceed" and give a low 1A. I think this expression is also inconsistent.

 

[Aseka]

I mean, it'd be assumptive to claim that a statement among the lines of "can destroy everything" means that structures that were never confirmed to exist in the setting are a thing to begin with, especially for a kind of rating this high.

That's why OP proposing for possibly 1-B.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I'm also confused, why assume that all whole number dimensions refers to the dimensions that exists.

It's less assumed than any other possibility.

 

[ImmortalDread]

That's why OP proposing for possibly 1-B.

But I don't find any reasonable grounds to assume for a possibility, specially we have no indication for this type of hierarchy.

I would prefer stick to the existed known value than the assumed unknown hierarchy

 

[Bobsican]

Considering that there is no hierarchy, we accept words like "if there was a hierarchy, it would exceed" and give a low 1A. I think this expression is also inconsistent.

Thing is that this is way too broad and hyperbolic at best, a more explicit "what-if" kind of statement would be required, especially given the high standards for those tiers.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Considering that there is no hierarchy, we accept words like "if there was a hierarchy, it would exceed" and give a low 1A. I think this expression is also inconsistent.

Also the recent revisions actually disallow those tier jumps, hence for example, Akuto will be downgraded as well.

 

[Iiliminal]

ok

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

What the ****.

Disagree, the whole number itself is finite.

 

[Iiliminal]

 

[AKUTO123]

Also the recent revisions actually disallow those tier jumps, hence for example, Akuto will be downgraded as well.

Wtf plase don't talk about things you don't know

 

[ImmortalDread]

I am aware of what I am talking.