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Third Grade Super Saiyan Multiplier

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Nullflowerblush said:
So yeah, Super Saiyan is 50x, Second Grade is an unknown amount greater, and Third Grade is 10x Second Grade, meaning at least 500x. That also makes Super Saiyan 2 at least 500x.
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We also know for a fact that super saiyan 3 is the strongest super saiyan form, so it has to be stronger than that 10 times
 
Damage3245 said:
It's possible, but not a certainty. I remember there was an example where a French databook for One Piece had a "tenfold" multiplier statement, but the original Japanese raws were checked and there was no mention of a multiplier in the original databook.
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The reason for the skepticism for this trasnlation is ...?

Simply the possibility of it being wrong isn't enough to make me doubt this tenfold value, considering they had it in the french version too. Though we don't know the exact logistics of things, the translations seem signficantly better than anything I've seen in any french databook.

I agree with you here damage, as french translations tend to be wonky, like the infamous bleach lightspeed statement that was a complete mistranslation. I don't really speak french, but that's what it said and it was confirmed to be one by Arc7Kuroi.

Regardless, I don't think we should be super skeptical here
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
He’s saying that bulky Ssj being 10x Ssj scales to ssj3 as well since it’s definitely stronger than it
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… but why?
Ssj3> (undefined) SSJ2.
It’s multiplier doesn’t have to be 10x for this statement to be true, assuming I’m interpreting this statement correctly
 
TimmyTurnero said:
… but why?
Ssj3> (undefined) SSJ2.
It’s multiplier doesn’t have to be 10x for this statement to be true, assuming I’m interpreting this statement correctly
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He’s saying Bulky SSJ = 10x SSJ Grade 1
SSJ2>Bulky SSJ
SSJ2>Bulky SSJ
The 10x multiplier applies to ssj3 and ssj2 but it’s not an extra 10x multiplier they scale to the 10x boost from bulky ssj
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
He’s saying Bulky SSJ = 10x SSJ Grade 1
SSJ2>Bulky SSJ
SSJ2>Bulky SSJ
The 10x multiplier applies to ssj3 and ssj2 but it’s not an extra 10x multiplier they scale to the 10x boost from bulky ssj
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Oh, this was so obvious I thought he was trying to imply something different. My bad.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
So Ultra Super Saiyan is like 10x stronger than Ascended Super Saiyan in terms of strength but at the cost of sacrificing speed to be less than even a regular Super Saiyan's?
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It's never suggested that their speed is deceased to the point of being slower than a normal Super Saiyan, but speed and mobility are significantly diminished, yes.
 
Neutral, waiting for more arguments from both sides. But I'm leaning on agree for now.

Also, quick question. Do we consider Grade 4 to be stronger (higher multiplier) than Grade 3 here in this wiki?
 
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Padaruyos said:
Neutral, waiting for more arguments from both sides. But I'm leaning on agree for now.

Also, quick question. Do we consider Grade 4 to be stronger (higher multiplier) than Grade 3 here in this wiki?
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I mean, 50% Grade 4 Goku was far above Trunks.
 
Btw if SSJ2 can scale to the 10x, there's a ton of evidence to support that SSJ3 is a far greater increase than that based on statements and scans in the manga at least.

SSJ = ( 50x Base )
SSJ Kaioken anime only = ( 2x SSJ )
SSJ Grade 2 = ( < 10x SSJ )
SSJ Grade 3 = ( 10x SSJ )
SSJ2 = ( At least 10x SSJ )
SSJ3 = ( Unknown > 10x SSJ)

SSJ Grade 4 = (Interesting enough in Dragon Ball GT La Revisita MSSJ is said to be equal to SSJ Grade 3 but this probably isn't official or valid)
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, 50% Grade 4 Goku was far above Trunks.
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Was it really from the higher multiplier or just a stronger base form? Because Grade 4's focus is all about efficiency and stamina. In the Super Exciting Guide SS is still listed as 50x (though I guess that databook isn't really valid).

Regardless, 50% Grade 4 Goku is definitely stronger than Grade 3 Trunks. And a 10x increase to Trunks would also benefit to Goku since he by default scales above it.
 
Let's see what we got here.

2G Vegeta/Trunks (At least 978 QT) <(10x) 3G Trunks (At least 9780 QT) < 50% 4G Goku < 4G Goku (At least 19760 QT) < 4G Gohan

They get a pretty nice AP bump but nothing really changes in terms of ratings, not even a + on the current High 4-C rating.
 
Padaruyos said:
Let's see what we got here.

2G Vegeta/Trunks (At least 978 QT) <(10x) 3G Trunks (At least 9780 QT) < 50% 4G Goku < 4G Goku (At least 19760 QT) < 4G Gohan

They get a pretty nice AP bump but nothing really changes in terms of ratings, not even a + on the current High 4-C rating.
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Oh yeah Cell gets the buff too since he shown he was capable of using it by mocking Trunks with his own version and he himself tried using it on Gohan.

This would mean Super Perfect Cell is at least 10x Perfect Cell
 
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MSSJ Gohan < Perfect Cell < Grade 3 Cell (10X PC) =< Super Perfect Cell ( At least 10x PC) =< 50% SSJ2 Gohan < 100% SSJ2 Gohan

Based on this wouldn't SSJ2 Gohan be 20x MSSJ Gohan?
 
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AwkguyDB said:
MSSJ Gohan < Perfect Cell < Grade 3 Cell (10X PC) =< Super Perfect Cell ( At least 10x PC) =< 50% SSJ2 Gohan < 100% SSJ2 Gohan

Based on this wouldn't SSJ2 Gohan be 20x MSSJ Gohan?
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Yes, something like that

And since Buu Saga Gohan is stronger than Shin who is Cell Saga SS Goku level that means that Cell Saga SS Gohan is around 50 times stronger than his father
 
Padaruyos said:
Let's see what we got here.

2G Vegeta/Trunks (At least 978 QT) <(10x) 3G Trunks (At least 9780 QT) < 50% 4G Goku < 4G Goku (At least 19760 QT) < 4G Gohan

They get a pretty nice AP bump but nothing really changes in terms of ratings, not even a + on the current High 4-C rating.
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I was thinking:

2G Vegeta and Trunks (>978 QT) < 3G Trunks (>9780 QT) > Vs. Trunks Perfect Cell (<9780 QT) < 3G Vs. Trunks Perfect Cell (<97800 QT) < 50% 4G Goku < 4G Goku (>195600 QT) < 4G Gohan (>1956000 QT) < Perfect Cell (>195600 QT) < 3G Perfect Cell (>1956000 QT) < Revived Cell (>1956000 QT) < 50% SSJ2 Gohan (>1956000 QT) < SSJ2 Gohan (>3912000 QT).
 
Nullflowerblush said:
This lacks a solid foundation, unfortunately.
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Bruh that was an idea that you put into the limelight
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Nullflowerblush said:
I was thinking:

2G Vegeta and Trunks (>978 QT) < 3G Trunks (>9780 QT) > Vs. Trunks Perfect Cell (<9780 QT) < 3G Vs. Trunks Perfect Cell (<97800 QT) < 50% 4G Goku < 4G Goku (>195600 QT) < 4G Gohan (>1956000 QT) < Perfect Cell (>195600 QT) < 3G Perfect Cell (>1956000 QT) < Revived Cell (>1956000 QT) < 50% SSJ2 Gohan (>1956000 QT) < SSJ2 Gohan (>3912000 QT).
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Since Super Perfect Cell is his equivalent of Super Saiyan 2 shouldn't he be twice above his G3 self?
 
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