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Doom Revision

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what you wrote is still not enough, ben10 was taken as the universe despite being asked how many dimensional you perceive before
 
ShionAH said:
Geor whats ur opinion on the CRT?
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I don't know. But if the 6TH dimension is not supported in the verse or where this dimensionality comes from is unknown, unfortunately you cannot put it on top of it. (You can't even get a 6D.)

You have to prove that the 6th dimension is the spatial dimension or that Urdak has acquired this 6th dimension by qualitative transcendence.

There were opinions that Everything12 and Ultima strongly defended on this issue (Especially Everything12). Also, according the current standarts even statements such as "6 dimensional" are not enough on their own. In short, it's need support from the verse.
 
From my experience with DMC you need the realms to be infinite sized in relation to the lower ones to have the number (like 6th dimensional) to be accepted
 
Georredannea15 said:
I don't know. But if the 6TH dimension is not supported in the verse or where this dimensionality comes from is unknown, unfortunately you cannot put it on top of it. (You can't even get a 6D.)
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Geor. I already gave 4 scans showing how the verse uses the word “dimension” the meaning is NOT universe its very simple lol
Georredannea15 said:
You have to prove that the 6th dimension is the spatial dimension or that Urdak has acquired this 6th dimension by qualitative transcendence.

There were opinions that Everything12 and Ultima strongly defended on this issue (Especially Everything12). Also, according the current standarts even statements such as "6 dimensional" are not enough on their own. In short, it's need support from the verse.
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Theres a ton of support as you can see from all those feats stacked on top of eachother its crystal clear the meaning is 6th dimension
Tony_di_bugalu said:
From my experience with DMC you need the realms to be infinite sized in relation to the lower ones to have the number (like 6th dimensional) to be accepted
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I dont think that is still how it works though Doom already has infinite realms so it checks out
 
I dont think that is still how it works though Doom already has infinite realms so it checks out
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It is tho, literally argued about it in the last DMC downgraded attempt.

Also having infinite realms isn't the same, you need to be infinitely bigger than the universe to the point the others are like embedded into your higher dimensional membrane or something
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
It is tho, literally argued about it in the last DMC downgraded attempt.
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I heard Infinitely Bigger = HDE was removed
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Also having infinite realms isn't the same, you need to be infinitely bigger than the universe to the point the others are like embedded into your higher dimensional membrane or something
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2-A something above a smaller dimension is infinitely bigger anyways the supporting is enough anyway
 
ShionAH said:
Geor. I already gave 4 scans showing how the verse uses the word “dimension” the meaning is NOT universe its very simple lol

Theres a ton of support as you can see from all those feats stacked on top of eachother its crystal clear the meaning is 6th dimension

I dont think that is still how it works though Doom already has infinite realms so it checks out
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The word "Dimension" is still not enough by itself. This word alone has nothing to do with spatial dimensions. Or with qualitative transcends...
 
Georredannea15 said:
The word "Dimension" is still not enough by itself. This word alone has nothing to do with spatial dimensions. Or with qualitative transcends...
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Hell is stated to be superior to Urdak who is so above timelines that it is literally not accessible. This is enough
Georredannea15 said:
The "6th Dimension" Urdak is already in hell. It is not a stand-alone 2-A structure, or it's not a larger infinity than a 2-A structure.
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Hell is superior to Urdak and is above it which means it is bigger than Urdak (since its 2-A it means its infinitely bigger)
Barbar01 said:
that's not how things work
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if you are not gonna help dont comment.
 
I heard Infinitely Bigger = HDE was removed
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I'm not talking about HDE, but tiers.

2-A something above a smaller dimension is infinitely bigger anyways the supporting is enough anyway
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2A something is an infinite amount of 4D, just like how Low 2-C is 4D.

You need something infinitely bigger than 4D to get tier 1.

Hell is superior to Urdak and is above it which means it is bigger than Urdak (since its 2-A it means its infinitely bigger)
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This is a big assumption tho, you need proof it is infinitely bigger and not just randomly bigger. As an example check Bayonetta, it has a realm thousands of times bigger than an infinite multiverse but that doesn't give it 5D.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
2A something is an infinite amount of 4D, just like how Low 2-C is 4D.

You need something infinitely bigger than 4D to get tier 1.
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That was not my point
Tony_di_bugalu said:
This is a big assumption tho, you need proof it is infinitely bigger and not just randomly bigger. As an example check Bayonetta, it has a realm thousands of times bigger than an infinite multiverse but that doesn't give it 5D.
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Since hell is 2-A it is infinite in size and since it contaims Urdak and is above it that means its infinitely bigger. Also isnt Bayonetta 5D?
 
Fat disagree with 6-D. Although this is unused it should still show author's intent. Dimensions here aren't referring to dimensional space but rather it being a specific universe. Unless the Earth world is 7-D and some how a higher dimension than Urdak.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Fat disagree with 6-D. Although this is unused it should still show author's intent. Dimensions here aren't referring to dimensional space but rather it being a specific universe. Unless the Earth world is 7-D and some how a higher dimension than Urdak.
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Its unused so you cannot actually use it as a counter arguement lol
 
ShionAH said:
Hell is stated to be superior to Urdak who is so above timelines that it is literally not accessible. This is enough
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That's why hell 5D (Of course, this statement was only support for 5D hell. Not any support for 6D Urdak.) In short, this does not prove that Urdak is 6D.
 
Georredannea15 said:
That's why hell 5D (Of course, this statement was only support for 5D hell. Not any support for 6D Urdak.)
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Even if we dont count the 6D Urdak it would be 5D and Hell is above it so 6D and davoth would scale to 7D
Georredannea15 said:
In short, this does not prove that Urdak is 6D.
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Theres still no counter arguements for şt though. They used dimensions as actual dimensions in the game and the only time that contradicts this was literally removed from the game.
 
My thread was NOT just about Doomguy. I specified in the OP that it was applying to EVERY CHARACTER WITH HDE.

Gews has undone your unwarranted edit.

This thread is to remove HDE for Doomguy AND the Primevals. Not just Doomguy.
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ShionAH said:
  • Speed: is first and I want to get it just fixed. Remove the possibly rating since Khan Maykr is stated to be able to move through time and space
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They use portals to do this. They always have. The only people capable of traversing the verse without using the portals are the Winged Seraphim.
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None of this is HDE. Reality Manip is not proof for HDE. Passive reality manipulation only used to change their appearance, and screwing with spacetime while fighting, is not proof of HDE. It's just an unquantifiable AP feat, really.

I don't care about most of the rest, besides this.
ShionAH said:
Other stuff
Crucible should be upgraded to Tier 1 since The Crucible is stated to "corrupt all of reality" and it should scale to the cosmology.
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It doesn't corrupt "all of reality". Read your own scan. It's "all realms", as in the dimensions. The 2-A part of the cosmology. That's it.

Also, which Crucible are you talking about? This scan is for the Demonic Crucible. The one from the 2016 game, which Slayer doesn't ever use to fight. The Sentinel Crucible is the one that perma-kills the immortal titans. It doesn't have any 2-A shit afaik.
 
Axxtentacle said:
My thread was NOT just about Doomguy. I specified in the OP that it was applying to EVERY CHARACTER WITH HDE.

Gews has undone your unwarranted edit.
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Mb then
Axxtentacle said:
They use portals to do this. They always have. The only people capable of traversing the verse without using the portals are the Winged Seraphim.
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Alright I think the possibly still should be nuked
Axxtentacle said:
I don't care about most of the rest, besides this.
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Okay then go and dont come back
Axxtentacle said:
It doesn't corrupt "all of reality". Read your own scan. It's "all realms", as in the dimensions. The 2-A part of the cosmology. That's it.
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So it should be 2-A then.
 
Shouldnt the swords be comparable? Even then Slayer should get 2-A rating if its in his disposal
 
There's nothing connecting the swords beyond them both being called Crucibles. And "crucibles" are just weapons that use argent energy/another power source in that specific way, making an energy blade like that. They're both capable of handling massive amounts of energy, but that's really it.

He uses it to power his ship, so he doesn't fight with it. You could say Davoth scales above it since he's the strongest thing in Hell. Not really any other way to go about it. The tree that talks about the Demonic Crucible in Eternal says it prophesizes the Demonic Crucible being able to beat the Slayer, but Hell saying something they have can beat the Slayer is NOT reliable. They constantly do, and they're constantly wrong.
 
Axxtentacle said:
There's nothing connecting the swords beyond them both being called Crucibles. And "crucibles" are just weapons that use argent energy/another power source in that specific way, making an energy blade like that. They're both capable of handling massive amounts of energy, but that's really it.

He uses it to power his ship, so he doesn't fight with it. You could say Davoth scales above it since he's the strongest thing in Hell. Not really any other way to go about it. The tree that talks about the Demonic Crucible in Eternal says it prophesizes the Demonic Crucible being able to beat the Slayer, but Hell saying something they have can beat the Slayer is NOT reliable. They constantly do, and they're constantly wrong.
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What about Argent energy being above science and stuff?
 
ShionAH said:
What about Argent energy being above science and stuff?
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A lot of weapons like the BFG, Unmaykr, and a lot of Sentinel weapons are already powered by Argent Energy, and are just super powerful weapons that generally stay in like the tier 8 area, while the BFG-10000 uses a LOT more argent energy and is in the tier 6 range. The reason they're called Crucibles is because they can handle massive amounts of said energy which is why they're so powerful.

I'd imagine "above science" is only because it's beyond anything that was THOUGHT possible before they found it.
 
Axxtentacle said:
A lot of weapons like the BFG, Unmaykr, and a lot of Sentinel weapons are already powered by Argent Energy, and are just super powerful weapons that generally stay in like the tier 8 area, while the BFG-10000 uses a LOT more argent energy and is in the tier 6 range. The reason they're called Crucibles is because they can handle massive amounts of said energy which is why they're so powerful.

I'd imagine "above science" is only because it's beyond anything that was THOUGHT possible before they found it.
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I heard it was also like extradimensional or smth too I will respond tomorrow with more depth. You have no opinions on the tiering part?
 
ShionAH said:
I heard it was also like extradimensional or smth too I will respond tomorrow with more depth. You have no opinions on the tiering part?
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Extradimensional, transdimensional, and a lot of stuff like that is super iffy to use for tiering without a lot of backing. A lot of the time stuff like that is just thrown with no backup that would be needed to say something's actually higher dimensional, and the reason it's needed, is because extradimensional and words similar to it (transdimensional) are often used to refer to people who can travel between dimensions (if you said "extradimensional travellers" for instance, it wouldn't mean higher-dimensional). Dimensions are used to refer to actual spatial dimensions AND universes in DOOM, (Urdak being the 6th dimension, Jekkad being the first dimension, etc) so I'd say you should get more proof beyond statements like that.

I have no opinions on the tiering part. I stopped caring when me and Gews got the verse to 2-A, because I believed 2-A was the minimum tier the verse should've been to be a relatively accurate interpretation. If others want to argue for higher, they can.
 
Regarding speed, are we solidifying that Khan Maykr Wings are comparable to Samur Maykr Wings?

In addition, do we have a depiction of Khan Maykr using her wings like Samur Maykr did during the boss fight?
 
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