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Blackheart Attempts to Conquer Another Demon (7-0-0) GRACE

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BLACKHEART (MvC) vs. DAGON

Story: After taking Mephisto's throne, Blackheart sets his sights to conquer another demonic god: Dagon.

HELPFUL INFO:
  • Blackheart will not have access to the Infinity Gems
  • Blackheart scales above 1.65 Quettatons, and Dagon scales above 700 Ronnatons
  • Location: Hell
RULES:
  • Speed is equalized.
  • Both fighters are in-character
  • Victory by any means necessary
VOTES:
  • Blackheart: Lonkitt, Isaiah_ZaMangaka, MaidRips, DemonicDude, Spectral69420, Mariogoods, Marvel_Champion_07
  • Dagon:
  • Inconclusive:
 
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Alright, here’s Shuma-Gorath’s scaling chain for those unaware of MvC High 5-A scaling

Shuma-Gorath is well above Dormammu, who is equal to Dante, who could have easily killed Mephisto if he chose to, who is above Blackheart (to the point where Blackheart only feels comfortable opposing him with the Infinity Gems), who could defeat several fighters at once (those being Ryu, Spider-Man, Chun-Li, Captain America, and Zangief), with Spider-Man have defeated Onslaught, who was stated to be the most powerful enemy in history up to MvC1, which would place him above Thanos, who was stated to have sheer power that dwarfed Galactus

Yeah, I’m sorry for how much of a mouthful that was
 
Galactus < Thanos < Onslaught ≈ Spider-Man < Blackheart < Mephisto < Dante = Dormammu < Shuma-Gorath

*Since Spider-Man beat Onslaught with an ally, I'm not entirely sure where to put him in this chain.
 
If I'm not mistaken, Ultimate form's amp is 6x, which would make it 1221.3 Ronnatons U. Way Big (Evil Way big did a 203.55 Ronnatons casually)


U.Way Big < Dagon, can probably survive one punch or two, but nothing more.

I was going to say that Dagon could mind hax but Shuma has AE type 1, he can't even touch it, it's a Stomp
 
Yeah thats one problem with the fight is that Shuma-Gorath's AE is a thing

I just didn't recall if Dagon had a way around that or not, been awhile since I've seen his abilities in action (although the barrier is with AE, so...)
 
Alright, I'm starting to realize how much of a stomp this is (Shuma truly is Him)

Aiight so I have an idea, would this be more fair if I was to change Shuma to Blackheart?
 
Isaiah_ZaMangaka said:
BLACKHEART (MvC) vs. DAGON

Story: After taking Mephisto's throne, Blackheart sets his sights to conquer another demonic god: Dagon.

HELPFUL INFO:
  • Blackheart will not have access to the Infinity Gems
  • Blackheart scales above 1.65 Quettatons, and Dagon scales above 700 Ronnatons
  • Location: Hell
RULES:
  • Speed is equalized.
  • Both fighters are in-character
  • Victory by any means necessary
VOTES:
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Aii it has been edited, and to go over the scaling chain once more:

Galactus < Thanos < Onslaught ≈ Spider-Man < Blackheart
 
Alright, now with that out of the way, somebody remind me of how Dagon's Mind Manip functions. Since I know him and Blackheart both have some fairly potent abilities to use against each other
 
Dagon scales to Ascolon ?
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Oliver_de_jesus said:
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I feel like this is a bad time to bring up that guys like Blackheart are in need of having a mind manip/corruption resistance added given they can use the Soul Gem without being overcome

But given this is a type of Mind Manipulation that can be avoided and even blocked by something like a forcefield, I could see Blackheart avoiding this with his intangibility, flight, and teleportation
 
Blackheart would still be stronger than Dagon in that case given the feat he upscales, so we can give Blackheart the AP/Durability advantage
 
Lonkitt said:
But given this is a type of Mind Manipulation that can be avoided and even blocked by something like a forcefield, I could see Blackheart avoiding this with his intangibility, flight, and teleportation
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not really, the mana in ben 10 has crazy properties even without a spell, being able to affect things like dimensional intangibility and other shit
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
not really, the mana in ben 10 has crazy properties even without a spell, being able to affect things like dimensional intangibility and other shit
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Ah, thats right. Gwen's got that going for her

Still, it is something that can be physically avoided, albeit, having to play keep away. That's not at all impossible for him to do either, plus his has telepathy and several ranged attacks to play with

DemonicDude said:
Mehhhhh saved like 650+ on my phone.... They come in handy
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ON YOUR PHONE?????
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
not really, the mana in ben 10 has crazy properties even without a spell, being able to affect things like dimensional intangibility and other shit
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Mana in BEN 10 is Multi dimensional
Watch these clips and can be used to Rip Open Alternate Dimension gates.
Dagon has conquered 100s of dimensions and even bring people back from the dead after making a deal with a sorceress to bring her father back
Watch these 👇

Link

Lonkitt said:
ON YOUR PHONE?????
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Yeeeeep
On my Computer then I copy pasted the folder into my phone (cause my phone got 60 gb empty space)
Then I uploaded them to Google drive for top tier meme responses online.....
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
no sure unless B goes off-planet, he don´t that too
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I mean, the fight takes place in Hell. The scope of the fight is a bit bigger than that TBF

DemonicDude said:
Mana in BEN 10 is Multi dimensional
Watch these clips and can be used to Rip Open Alternate Dimension gates.
Dagon has conquered 100s of dimensions and even bring people back from the dead after making a deal with a sorceress to bring her father back
Watch these 👇

Link
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Gwen is incredibly cracked

DemonicDude said:
Yeeeeep
On my Computer then I copy pasted the folder into my phone (cause my phone got 60 gb empty space)
Then I uploaded them to Google drive for top tier meme responses online.....
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Thats quite the dedication
 
Spectral69420 said:
The only things shown to resist it are mechamorphs, Sir George's armor, and anyone who wields Ascalon.
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I’m just gonna ask this now since those who have used the Soul Gem without being corrupted will be getting Mind Manip (this includes Blackheart). Just wanna figure this out now rather than have some impact this match later

Have those who have resisted other kinds of mind manip being controlled by mind control originating from Dagon?
 
Spectral69420 said:
The only things shown to resist it are mechamorphs, Sir George's armor, and anyone who wields Ascalon.
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Ascolon is a Reality Warping sword,
Sir George armor is made for George using Ascolon sword 🗡️ (George was equipped as humanity's last savior with a special armor to fight this Multi Dimensional Demon)



Ben gained the armor in the end and finished him


Ascolon provides mind control resistance.
 
No it is NOT the forcefield that protects Gwens from being mind manipulated and becoming Dragons worshiper.
It's the fact that her Boyfriend (Yes she has one) his name is Kevin Levin, He absorb materials and constructed Special helmets to protect Gwen, Himself form this

Ben already has protection via OMNITRIX device resistances and Gorge's Sword Asolon already warrants him this as you can see here.
👇
 
hm, I wish Dagon's profile had justifications for his abilities ngl, so they'd be more understandable

With that out of the way, Blackheart may have resistance to Mind Manipulation, but he for sure does not have resistance to Transmutation

I'd say this is a win-con for Dagon (I haven't decided yet)
 
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