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Fixed. Class P
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Boros Lifting Strength Downgrade
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Downgrade thread ends in complete Boros victory
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so
How long till it gets added?
How long till it gets added?
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Well, only for MB Boros. Released Boros still only scales to Darkshine or TTM.
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Well, Gouketsu
and possibly Geryuganshoop
there’s also the possibility of elder centipede stuff to look into
On an unrelated note, did you know that like most of the guidebook isn’t even translated? That shit could be a goldmine and we don’t even know.
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So it would be like:
Does this work? The Geryuganshoop stuff can be removed if that one isn't accepted
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It would just be Class P rather than "At least Class P" for MB Boros.
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actually wait, released Boros would be scaling Above Flashy’s LS here instead, wouldn’t he?
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It would look like that I guess.
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the calc was accepted, and Ant gave it the green light
can the profiles be unlocked to add the scaling above flashy flashy, as well as the class P MB calc?
can the profiles be unlocked to add the scaling above flashy flashy, as well as the class P MB calc?
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What do you mean
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I'm not a calc guy per se, but from what I can tell it's just using the distance over which the force from boros' leg was applied.
The distance between earth and moon is for the speed of the launch itself.
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Wouldn’t that distance be the moon tho?
What I mean is force = mass*acceleration.
Saitama Mass: 70 kg
Speed of the Launch: 269813212 m/s
Time: 384400 km/269813212 =1.425 sec
Acceleration: 269813212 m/s/1.425 sec = 189342605 m/s^2
Force: 70*189342605 = 13253982350 newtons or 1351068537.21 kg, which is slightly above baseline Class G.
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No no, the force is being applied by his leg, the moon is only significant for knowing the speed at which the launch occurred.
I'm pretty sure it's just the distance across which his leg was still in contact with saitama.
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It's the force Boros would have needed to apply to hit leg to send Saitama flying as far as he did at the speeds that he was moving.
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Your using the distance of the moon instead of the distance his leg moved
His leg moves 1.25023382 meters and in that time Saitama's velocity reaches the currently accepted value of 269813212 m/s
1.25023382/269813212 = .00000000463370126 seconds to reach max velocity
269813212/.00000000463370126 = 58228443500000000 m/s^2
70 * 58228443500000000 = 4075991050000000000 newtons or 4.1563541576378000 × 10^17 Kilograms (Class P)
Katchon is correct
Update: Kachon is wrong but still got Class P somehow
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That's now how displacement works tho. Displacement would be the total linear distance the object moved. Saitama is the object and the distance is the earth to moon. By lowering the distance, you’re essentially inflating the value of the LS.
Another problem I have is dividing a KE value to get a LS value when that only works when you divide a "work" value. Work and KE are similar but different.
KE = 0.5*mass*velocity^2
Work = force*displacement
Both give values in joules but work always gives a higher value, so dividing KE instead of dividing work is incorrect.
F=mass*acceleration is better imo, cause it creates less circulation.
Wrong how specifically? What changed?
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Again, I’m not a calc guy, but just a question
If “work” gives a higher value, then how exactly would using KE be inflation?
If “work” gives a higher value, then how exactly would using KE be inflation?
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Because work is force*displacement
Force being mass (Saitama's 70 kg)*acceleration (the velocity of the moon kick/the time it took Saitama to get to the moon)
The displacement value is the distance the object moved, which is 100% the moon distance.
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Wasn't that shit rejected because it was an upwards kick and not Boros hurling Saitama after grabbing him as well? Like, we don't allow uppercuts or knee-strikes like that for LS anymore.
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Ok
Let me try to put this into a way everyone can understand (including myself)
Since acceleration ends the moment Boros’ leg stops touching saitama, that’s where the 1.2 meters thing comes from
and the purpose of the calc is to determine the amount of force if would take to make saitama go from 0 to 90% sol within that distance
Is that an accurate way of describing it?
Let me try to put this into a way everyone can understand (including myself)
Since acceleration ends the moment Boros’ leg stops touching saitama, that’s where the 1.2 meters thing comes from
and the purpose of the calc is to determine the amount of force if would take to make saitama go from 0 to 90% sol within that distance
Is that an accurate way of describing it?
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Both the anime and the official manga panels show that it was a lifting-based launch, not a strike. He just used his leg to throw saitama.
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It definitely looks like a strike to me; just a strike where Saitama was already in contact with Boros' leg.
It's no different than if Saitama was balanced on Boros' fist and and Boros threw a punch that launched him into space.
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Damage, that’s very objectively not a strike. that’s like saying throwing a baseball is striking a baseball, which makes no sense.
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It'd be one thing if Boros' fist was at rest first before he proceeded to launch Saitama with all his might. The knee strike doesn't seem to be anything like that.
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It is quite literally exactly that
It was already addressed in the scans given on the calc blog.
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does the second kick seriously look ANYTHING like a strike? Even the anime supports this extremely directly
Even the sound effects change to a pwoosh instead of a striking noise.
It’s very objectively an LS feat, there’s absolutely no room for debate about that.
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does the second kick seriously look ANYTHING like a strike? Even the anime supports this extremely directly
Even the sound effects change to a pwoosh instead of a striking noise.
You do this alot, not everything you say is an objective fact, including your interpretation of a scene.
Anyways, his leg, as seen in the first panel on the right, is folded back completely, the 2nd panel on the right shows him kicking forward impacting Saitama. That’s a straight forward kick.
The “swoosh” is coming from Saitama being sent flying.
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His knee quite literally never moves, it's the only part that's really touching saitama to begin with
and the anime scene is insanely in your face about it, literally showing the moment boros is lifting saitama
you are denying what is directly in front of you.
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I knew they would bring this to the argument... In all the battles that Boros participated here on the site where his wincon was BFR for being launched into space, they always bring the argument that Boros needed to have a superior Lifting strength than the character with which they put him to fight and he was always brought up with the fact that lifting strength was needed to perform the feat...
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actually you don't need superior LS to send someone flying away, unless they have a flight that scales to their LS which can be used to counteract your lifting, or they have something to hold onto on the ground to prevent from being launched. Or they're just really ******* heavy. Otherwise, Boros can bfr anybody he wants to.
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I know that, but this is an argument that brings straight to an Versus Threads, it's kind of irritating to be honest.
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oh sorry, it's actually just my arbitrary opinion
I see your point actually, when we completely ignore the manga panels and the anime sequence, your interpretation does seem to make more sense, so I apologize for asserting my view as fact, I don't know what I was thinking!
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Literally no, in the manga panel you sent, his leg is literally folded ontop of itself with his knee going outwards, in the next panel we see that his leg has traveled to kick Saitama, this isn’t the same as him placing his leg on him and then pushing up.
Seriously?
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….? Seriously? Bro how old are you
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