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Zeus vs Arjuna Alter

Dude, read Lostbelt story first then you will know who's stronger, Terminal Zeus is far 10x above Arjuna alter and his Aletheia is 10.000x above arjuna alter.
it's already stated here and here Basically, here they are discussing how OP Zeus was in PHH compared to everyone else, and they estimate that if he has retained his true form in the LB on top of that, then using poseidon and artemis as a point of reference, Zeus must be in a class of his own, entire orders of magnitude above arjuna
and here in section 21 Here we have zeus powering up after unlocking 35% of the kronos crown. Musashi loses her count at 3 orders of magnitude. That means 35% kronos crown is 1,000 times above the zeus that they had been facing until then.
 
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Dude, read Lostbelt story first then you will know who's stronger, Terminal Zeus is far 100x above Arjuna alter and his Aletheia is 100.000x above arjuna alter.
I didn't know about this difference. Zeus is really a monster.
 
Dude, read Lostbelt story first then you will know who's stronger, Terminal Zeus is far 10x above Arjuna alter and his Aletheia is 10.000x above arjuna alter.
it's already stated here and here Basically, here they are discussing how OP Zeus was in PHH compared to everyone else, and they estimate that if he has retained his true form in the LB on top of that, then using poseidon and artemis as a point of reference, Zeus must be in a class of his own, entire orders of magnitude above arjuna
and here in section 21 Here we have zeus powering up after unlocking 35% of the kronos crown. Musashi loses her count at 3 orders of magnitude. That means 35% kronos crown is 1,000 times above the zeus that they had been facing until then.

This is very wrong. Zeus' power is not entire orders of magnitude above Arjuna Alter. It was a statement made by Muniere which is not your best source of information. Furthermore Chaldea at that point hasn't even met 10% Zeus, so even if Muniere statement is true that's will be refers to Zeus at 100% as the King of Olympian Gods. Not to mention Zeus at 10% lost to Kirschtaria's meteor which is far weaker than Godjuna's Mahapralaya and Rhongomyniad.

The statement that was made after analyzing Poseidon and Artemis aletheia is about a true gods won't lose its power because of faith not power, it's just that Muniere and Goredolf jump to conclusion.

Not that I mean Godjuna is stronger than Zeus, Godjuna's stupidity could make Ivan run for his money. He is by far the stupidest Lostbelt king.
 
Doesn't arjuna have more authorities than zeus.

He's got Shiva's authority, which is basically the end for zeus if it hits him (although it takes time to charge as shown when he remade the world)

It can rip anything up to their concept, and if zeus is a phenomenal that shapes the universe.

Arjuna has the authority that goes beyond it. 🤔
 
He's got Shiva's authority, which is basically the end for zeus if it hits him (although it takes time to charge as shown when he remade the world)
that's not Shiva authority alone,
here's from Fgo material VIII
He’ll decide to swing the sword at the end of everything which will end the world and obliterate evil. The world as a whole will be extinguished if this sword is swung. Mahapralaya points out the extermination of the universe when Brahma dies...namely, the kalpa of destruction.

Mahapralaya is amalgamation of accumulated divinity that AA absorbed.
It can rip anything up to their concept, and if zeus is a phenomenal that shapes the universe.
No, it only works within the cloud wall boundary, it's not necessarily work outside of his domain it's not certain that he could overhaul world, concept because we know that his divinity depends on prayer, foundation etc
 
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No, it only works within the cloud wall boundary, it's not necessarily work outside of his domain it's not certain that he could overhaul world.
But lostbelts are hypothetical worlds brought forth by tree of emptiness into proper world in order to expand there.

Following Qin Shi Huang's statement about the walls that "it suddenly appeared and cut them off from the rest of the world" meaning that it was a whole universe albeit hypothetical due to being pruned.

That means, before it, it too is hypothetically a whole universe so if we assume a fight outside the walls, he should be able to.

And by Indian lostbelt history, arjuna has been rebuilding the world through endless cycles before the tree of emptiness appeared.
 
But lostbelts are hypothetical worlds brought forth by tree of emptiness into proper world in order to expand there.

Following Qin Shi Huang's statement about the walls that "it suddenly appeared and cut them off from the rest of the world" meaning that it was a whole universe albeit hypothetical due to being pruned.

That means, before it, it too is hypothetically a whole universe so if we assume a fight outside the walls, he should be able to.
Pruned timelines don't exists actually, the moment they're cut off they cease becoming a part of the Time Tree.

a lostbelt is a timeline that persists beyond the point of culling which mean they're just simulations based off of pruned timelines that are progressed through real time by the Trees of Fantasy.
And by Indian lostbelt history, arjuna has been rebuilding the world through endless cycles before the tree of emptiness appeared.
back to what i say recently if you read LB4 you should've known that his authority depends on prayer, foundation etc. And the fact that Mahapralaya couldn't bypass the cloud wall boundary is enough that it only gonna works within his territory
meaning that it was a whole universe albeit hypothetical due to being pruned.
also this's incorrect, the right one to say is Texture, that's not how universe described in the context of fate.
here's what LB7 say
Chapter 24 - Arrow 1 - Part B
@ダ・ヴィンチ
英霊とは境界記録帯[line 3]
da vinci:
"Heroic Spirits are as Boundary Record Belts —"
@ダ・ヴィンチ
我々の宇宙そのものが、英雄たちの活動した時間帯を[r]『現象』として記録したものだ。
"Our Universe itself is that which records the time belts (時間帯, jikan-tai) wherein Heroes are active in the capacity of 'Phenomena.'"
Chapter 25 - Arrow 8 - Part B
omniscient narration:
これらはすべて空想の世界。[r]本来なら剪定されているはずの余剰時間。
Such is a World wholly [comprised] of fantasy. Excess time that originally should've been pruned.
いずれ誰の記憶からも消え去り、忘れ去られるもの。
It was something what would eventually vanish from everyone's memories; consigned to oblivion.
たとえ、ハッピーエンドは起こらなかった、[r]ただの作り話であったとしても。
Even that a happy end didn't come about; even that it was merely a made-up story.
幻想であろうと。虚構であろうと。
Even that it was fantasy. Even that it was fabrication.
一度作られたものは、消え去らない。[r]一度生まれた夢は、その境界に刻まれる。
Something once created does not vanish. A dream once born forth is in its Boundary (境界, kyoukai) engraved.
この宇宙に、永遠に、残り続けるのだ。
It shall persist forevermore within this Universe.

the "Universe" here is the human order / world of man.
so yeah, not just implied, but stated outright.
 
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Pruned timelines don't exists actually, the moment they're cut off they cease becoming a part of the Time Tree.

a lostbelt is a timeline that persists beyond the point of culling which mean they're just simulations based off of pruned timelines that are progressed through real time by the Trees of Fantasy.

back to what i say recently if you play LB4 you shoul've known that his authority depends on prayer, foundation etc. And the fact that Mahapralaya couldn't bypass the cloud wall boundary is enough that it only gonna works within his territory

also this's incorrect, the right one to say is Texture, that's not how universe described in the context of fate.
here's what LB7 say

da vinci:
"Heroic Spirits are as Boundary Record Belts —"

"Our Universe itself is that which records the time belts (時間帯, jikan-tai) wherein Heroes are active in the capacity of 'Phenomena.'"
Chapter 25 - Arrow 8 - Part B
omniscient narration:

Such is a World wholly [comprised] of fantasy. Excess time that originally should've been pruned.

It was something what would eventually vanish from everyone's memories; consigned to oblivion.

Even that a happy end didn't come about; even that it was merely a made-up story.

Even that it was fantasy. Even that it was fabrication.

Something once created does not vanish. A dream once born forth is in its Boundary (境界, kyoukai) engraved.

It shall persist forevermore within this Universe.

the "Universe" here is the human order / world of man.
so yeah, not just implied, but stated outright.
First is considered not true bcz morgan made her pruned timeline existing.

Human order/world of man is already a universe in itself.
 
Pruned timelines don't exists actually, the moment they're cut off they cease becoming a part of the Time Tree.

a lostbelt is a timeline that persists beyond the point of culling which mean they're just simulations based off of pruned timelines that are progressed through real time by the Trees of Fantasy.
Yeah, but their history does exist, otherwise there's no way the Fantasy Tree finds any pruned timeline to be culled out.

What's Fantasy tree does is by simulating the future based on the pruned history, but fantasy tree can't cover the entire planet hence the storm wall can only covers much of the Lostbelt. A pruned timeline is pruned because it will lead to the dead end of human history, meaning it is an event which could affect entire planet.


also this's incorrect, the right one to say is Texture, that's not how universe described in the context of fate
back to what i say recently if you play LB4 you shoul've known that his authority depends on prayer, foundation etc. And the fact that Mahapralaya couldn't bypass the cloud wall boundary is enough that it only gonna works within his territory
There's no single line in LB 4 that said Arjuna's power is limited to his texture. In fact there's absolutely no evidence a divine spirit cannot exert their power outside of their own texture.

Every citizen of lostbelts cannot pass the wall of storms, not even Zeus. So your argument regarding Mahapralaya only works within his territory is false.
 
Every citizen of lostbelts cannot pass the wall of storms, not even Zeus. So your argument regarding Mahapralaya only works within his territory is false
like... your argument itself also false
"Every citizen of lostbelts cannot pass the wall of storm"
this is totally false, you should've known What Morgan can do with her Rhongomyniad though that's just Morgan flexing her Rhon
and "not even Zeus" you can't prove this since Zeus never use his 35% offensive towards Chaldea
 
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There's no single line
I don't say his power limited to his texture,why you even need a single of line when the feats already seen in the story itself like in the final battle when he's on a weakened state bcs losing much of his divinity???
 
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like... your argument itself also false
"Every citizen of lostbelts cannot pass the wall of storm"
this is totally false, you should've known What Morgan can do with her Rhongomyniad though that's just Morgan flexing her Rhon
and "not even Zeus" you can't prove this since Zeus never use his 35% offensive towards Chaldea
You talk as if you read LB 6 but anyone who read LB 6 will know you just spouting nonsense. Britain is no longer a Lostbelt but a lostworld, everyone born after the queen calendar can go outside of the storm wall.

I can proof it because Aphrodite actually very enthusiastic about conquering other Lostbelt, but she stated they can't do it until their Lostbelt border cross each other. And in case you bring up Zeus' escape plan, he can only do it by using the fantasy tree which is the anchor of the Lostbelt.
 
You talk as if you read LB 6 but anyone who read LB 6 will know you just spouting nonsense. Britain is no longer a Lostbelt but a lostworld, everyone born after the queen calendar can go outside of the storm wall.
look at who's spouting nonesense now, every Lostbelt character who's having transport authority like Caenis can go outside of the storm wall, i confused why are you bringing LB6, there's no any relation of passing out the cloud wall boundary with LB6 being a lostbelt or lostworld.
everyone born after the queen calendar can go outside of the storm wall.
also i need evidence for this, how could they pass this cloud wall boundary, do fairies have a skill to do a zero sail?to dive into INS? pls show me
 
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look who's spouting nonessnse here, every Lostbelt character who's having transport authority like Caenis can go outside of the storm wall, i confused why are you bringing LB6 Kek,
Caenis is a servant from PHH, let me guess, you didn't actually read any story of part 2 do you? And you are the one who bringing Morgan kek.


ペペロン伯爵ええ、ブリテンそのものはね。
でも住人は違うわ。
ペペロン伯爵他の異聞帯では、
住んでいる人々の運命もセットだった。
ペペロン伯爵けれどこの異聞帯は違う。
ペペロン伯爵少なくとも女王暦になってから生まれた妖精は、
異聞帯の外に出ても消え去らない。
ペペロン伯爵だって強度が『汎人類史』のものと同じなんだもの。
私が言いたいのはその違いよ
Avalon Le fae section 14

Next time you better read the story instead of pulling fanfiction out of your ass.
 
ペペロン伯爵ええ、ブリテンそのものはね。
でも住人は違うわ。
ペペロン伯爵他の異聞帯では、
住んでいる人々の運命もセットだった。
ペペロン伯爵けれどこの異聞帯は違う。
ペペロン伯爵少なくとも女王暦になってから生まれた妖精は、
異聞帯の外に出ても消え去らない。
ペペロン伯爵だって強度が『汎人類史』のものと同じなんだもの。
私が言いたいのはその違いよ
Avalon Le fae section 14

Next time you better read the story instead of pulling fanfiction out of your ass.
Bruh mabro totally had reading issue this's just you who doesn't understand the context. fae couldn't survive outside LB6 isn't because they're originally Lostbelt characters and now you think after they aqcuired the same strength as PHH they could survive outside the cloud wall boundary? no that's not the case, the case is they're not suited to the current law which is the recent texture where the law of man reign.
 人格を持っていた自然(かみ)はただの自然現象になっていき、大気中のエーテルは霧散した。
Nature (自然, jizen) / Divinities (かみ, kami, as in 神) possessed of personality became as nothing more than natural phenomena (自然現象, jizen genshou), and the Ether within the atmosphere dispersed.
 魔術の王ソロモンが没してから神秘の減少は加速していった。
From the passing of Solomon, the King of Thaumaturgy, did the depletion of Mysteries accelerate.
 そして五百年前、ついに神代は完全に終了した。
And as of five centuries ago, the Age of Divinities reached its complete cessation.
 この惑星(ほし)は自然から独立した、自然のサイクルから離れてもなんとか自分たちだけで生きていける動物たちのものになった。
This planet was from Nature unbound, beholden now to organisms capable of survival independent the cycle of Nature.
 うん、分かりゃすくいうとキミたち人間の事だね。
Un, more simply phrased, I'm referring to Humans.
 人間が獲得した知性の方向性…
The directionality (方向性, houkousei) that humans have obtained of sapience (知性, chisei) ...
 精神性は〈不確かな法則〉という闇を照らす事を望んだ。
their very weltgeist (精神性, seishinsei, "the nature of the psyche") desires that light be shed upon the shadows that are the 〈Laws Uncertain〉(不確かな法則, futashikana housoku, "uncertain / ill-defined laws").
 結果、惑星(ほし)のルールが〈人間が生きる為に最適化した法則〉に変化した、というコトさ。
In consequence, I would say that the Rule of the Planet (惑星のルール, wakusei no ruuru) has been redefined to 〈the body of Laws optimized to the survival of Man〉.
 竜も妖精も、キミたち人間のルールでは反則なんだ。
Both the Dragons and the Fae exist in violation of the Rule of Man (人間のルール, ningen no ruuru).
 だから彼らは自分から世界の裏側に移住した。
Thus, they have of their own volition relocated to the Reverse of the World.
 この地上をキミたちに譲り渡した」
They have to you ceded the Surface of the Earth.
after the age of mysteries ends now they must flee to the reverse side because rule of man doesn't suitable to them.
the case is not because they're Lostbelt characters or not, I'll give you more evidence below.
Caenis is a servant from PHH, let me guess, you didn't actually read any story of part 2 do you? And you are the one who bringing Morgan kek.
fair enough but you forgot, QSH he can as he reverse engineered the Shadow Border and even used the Sage lands to place his main body in the Reverse Side.
there's also Oprichnik which is Ivan Army from Russia, they raid Chaldea base in Antarctica how could you elaborate this?,now what you gonna say?
 
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And in case you bring up Zeus' escape plan, he can only do it by using the fantasy tree which is the anchor of the Lostbelt.
no lol, why Zeus even need a fantasy tree just to exit Olympus and why bring Zeus escape plan though I feel like that’s a different thing entirely than simply just exiting your LB and doing shit in other LBs while still on Earth,Sure, he can exit his LB and do shit in other LBs like Caenis can cause Poseidon authority,But launching Olympus to space is unrelated to that.
Launching Olympus to space is a result of amassing large amount of energy,Its a less “he is taking Olympus out of the LB, into space” and more “he is taking the LB and going off to space where no one can erase it”
 
Bruh mabro totally had reading issue this's just you who doesn't understand the context. fae couldn't survive outside LB6 isn't because they're originally Lostbelt characters and now you think after they aqcuired the same strength as PHH they could survive outside the cloud wall boundary? no that's not the case, the case is they're not suited to the current law which is the recent texture where the law of man reign.

after the age of mysteries ends now they must flee to the reverse side because rule of man doesn't suitable to them.
the case is not because they're Lostbelt characters or not, I'll give you more evidence below.

fair enough but you forgot, QSH he can as he reverse engineered the Shadow Border and even used the Sage lands to place his main body in the Reverse Side.
there's also Oprichnik which is Ivan Army from Russia, they raid Chaldea base in Antarctica,now what you gonna say?
You have reading issue, the whole end in lb6 is that we wanted to have fairy go our world with us (before the calamities begin). And their no current law you in the phh world now you know it's just a vast white canvas.
 
You have reading issue, the whole end in lb6 is that we wanted to have fairy go our world with us (before the calamities begin). And their no current law you in the phh world now you know it's just a vast white canvas.
bruh? what then, you prove nothing, why fae which born after the queen callendar could survive outside LB? that's because they're already rendered as non LB part, now tell me why pre queen callendar fairy couldn't leave LB6? if your answer is their foundation still bound to the Fantasy Tree, if so why other fairies still exist after the fantasy tree stop functioning if the fantasy tree is the anchor of their existence they should've disappear when the tree cease it's function, if they're became part of lostworld history they should've survive outside LB6 but why Pepe only said post queen callendar fairies which can survive outside LB??

I don't have reading issue, i tell only the truth
 
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They both resist each others's authorities plus neg each others's regeneration so it kinda comes down to who's stronger

Arjuna was only massively weakened by exploiting his weakness and imperfection conceptually, and even then he needed someone stronger than the likes of Kiara and Kama and possibly on par with Goetia in order to take down
Zeus was overwhelmed by Romulus=Quirinus, who is far stronger than Tiamat, who scales to Goetia
So basically Arjuna needed to be weakened in order to lose against a Goetia level opponent, while Zeus was losing against someone far stronger than a Goetia level opponent
They seem pretty on par in this regard

I'm leaning toward Arjuna tho, for 2 reasons
1. Since literally nothing matters besids stats, the only advantage Arjuna has over Zeus is Madness Enhancement, which boosts his stats. Zeus ain't got none of that. It's a really tiny advantage but it might work
2. Arjuna can casually destroy and recreate the world whenever he wants, while Zeus can only do that with World Discipline Keraunos. It's entirely in character for Arjuna to start with Mahapralaya right off the bat. Sure it might take some time but that's only hen he doesn't feel threatened and is taking things extremely casually. Servant Arjuna is capable of launching it within seconds, and even though Servant Arjuna is weaker, his Mahapralaya isn't. Thus, Arjuna should be able to pull it out of his ass right off the get go

Zeus doesn't exactly have anything Arjuna doesn't resist, and the same can be said for Arjuna. But Arjuna's tiny strength advantage might matter here

If it doesn't really matter at the end of the day then I'm voting incon cuz they do the same thing
 
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