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I dunno.So another Kirby vs Mario match, except this time it's Pure Hearts Mario, not Royal Stickers Mario. Unlike Royal Stickers Mario, Pure Hearts Mario is 2-B compared to Kirby's 2-C. Last time Kirby won, but this time might be different...
Kirby probably starts by throwing a Friend Heart at Mario. What does Mario start with?
AP stomp in Mario's favor or Haxstomp in Kirby's favor? Either way, I still want to wait for more inputs from other people.Um, I'm pretty sure this is a stomp.
AP stomp in Mario's favor.AP stomp in Mario's favor or Haxstomp in Kirby's favor? Either way, I still want to wait for more inputs from other people.
Okay. But I still want to wait for more inputs from other people.AP stomp in Mario's favor.
Low godly what specificallyI mean, does Kirby have any wincons? I see a lot of abilities on his profile. Also, can Mario bypass Low-Godly?
Thats Kirby's regen as a ghost.Low godly what specifically
Then Mario uses NPI :trollface:Thats Kirby's regen as a ghost.
You need Soul Manipulation or EE to kill Kirby's Low-Godly. If Mario's NPI can't kill souls then he ain't stopping Kirby from regenerating.Then Mario uses NPI :trollface:
You need Soul Manipulation or EE to kill Kirby's Low-Godly. If Mario's NPI can't kill souls then he ain't stopping Kirby from regenerating.
What is meant by reflecting a Friend Heart is how Mario can knock projectiles away from him with his hammer as shown in the Mario & Luigi games, correct? If so, that wouldn't help him. Friend Heart disintegrates on impact and doesn't need to make contact with a target's skin in order to convert them into an ally. I've seen Friend Heart work even if it disintegrates while near a target without making contact with them. Watch the footage linked, and put it in slow motion if you need to. Kirby threw a Friend Heart at Driblee, the Friend Heart broke on contact with the water attack, but it converted Driblee into an ally anyway. Mario breaking a Friend Heart so close to him would cause him to become Kirby's ally.
When I put the footage in slow motion or even viewed it frame by frame, I saw that the Friend Heart disintegrated once it touched the water, and turned Driblee into an ally without touching it. Focus on the exact frame Driblee gains the Water Ability hat.the link you provided shows the Friend Heart ignoring the water attack because of how close they were to Driblee
it only disintegrated cause it made direct contact with Driblee itself, not the water attack, so you're probably gonna need a better example than that
When I put the footage in slow motion or even viewed it frame by frame, I saw that the Friend Heart disintegrated once it touched the water, and turned Driblee into an ally without touching it. Focus on the exact frame Driblee gains the Water Ability hat.
It's difficult to find examples online because most players let Kirby aim Friend Hearts himself instead of controlling his aim, since he aims at enemies properly, but if you have Kirby Star Allies you can try aiming a Friend Heart directly next to an enemy and you'll see that it will convert them even though it didn't touch them.
The sign is just for instructions, not what actually happened.even the sign displays that the heart has to make contact with the enemy to convert them
I viewed the same video in slow motion, and the Friend Heart only bypasses the attack because Kirby is literally in Driblee's face, that just seems like a common game mechanic to me
I'd be more convinced if Kirby was a set distance away, and the Friend Heart actually converted an enemy by touching their attack
so until ya show me that, can't say I'm all too swayed
The sign is just for instructions, not what actually happened.
Anyway, I don't have other footage of this readily available, and it's very uncommon to see what I'm referring to, so I'm finished with that. Perhaps something else similar will convince you. When Kirby tried converting Pon and Con during a story event and The Three Mage-Sisters during a cutscene, the Friend Heart didn't directly touch all of them yet they all got affected by it anyway.
The signs for how to control characters only show one aspect.I would think the sign would also mention that you could perform that on enemy projectiles too, but aight
My point is that Friend Heart doesn't have to make contact with a target to convert them, it just has to be directly near the target when it disintegrates. I was showing its area of effect. Obviously Kirby can't convert Mario if Kirby throws a Friend Heart at a fireball that he dodged. My point is that if Mario tries to reflect a Friend Heart with his hammer, it would disintegrate too close to him and convert him.same thing seems to happen in the Pon and Con, and the Mage-Sisters one
Kirby is very close to them, and chucks a Friend Heart to convert them, but wasn't your point being that the Friend Heart could convert an enemy into an ally even if the Friend Heart hit their projectile?
none of that happens in those two links ya sent me, though the Friend Heart having some sort of effect radius (?) is a nice touch
I'm still not entirely convinced though, until you show the Friend Heart specifically hitting an enemy's projectile and converting them into an ally
The signs for how to control characters only show one aspect.
My point is that Friend Heart doesn't have to make contact with a target to convert them, it just has to be directly near the target when it disintegrates. I was showing its area of effect. Obviously Kirby can't convert Mario if Kirby throws a Friend Heart at a fireball that he dodged. My point is that if Mario tries to reflect a Friend Heart with his hammer, it would disintegrate too close to him and convert him.
Literally. Nothing. 0 chance Mario would get it. He’s way too smart for that.on another note, what stops Mario from simply just.. dodging the Friend Heart?
Literally. Nothing. 0 chance Mario would get it. He’s way too smart for that.
I remembered some occurrences that were easier to find that might make what I'm writing more clear. I've seen Friend Heart work even if enemies are attacking in a way that blocks it from touching their body. It converts Parasol Waddle Dee if it touches the umbrella instead of the actual character. During my search, I also found something similar to what I initially was describing. I saw Kirby throw a Friend Heart at Sir Kibble, who was jumping over their blade coming back to them, the Friend Heart hit the blade but Sir Kibble was too close to where it disintegrated so they became an ally.aight
it definitely seems like the Friend Heart has to make direct contact, when it comes to at least a single individual, in order to convert them, going off of the examples you've shown me, but I'm convinced
on another note, what stops Mario from simply just.. dodging the Friend Heart?
I remembered some occurrences that were easier to find that might make what I'm writing more clear. I've seen Friend Heart work even if enemies are attacking in a way that blocks it from touching their body. It converts Parasol Waddle Dee if it touches the umbrella instead of the actual character. During my search, I also found something similar to what I initially was describing. I saw Kirby throw a Friend Heart at Sir Kibble, who was jumping over their blade coming back to them, the Friend Heart hit the blade but Sir Kibble was too close to where it disintegrated so they became an ally.
No one proposed that Mario couldn't dodge a Friend Heart. Friend Heart can be thrown many times in quick succession, but Mario's a good acrobat, so he might find a way around it.
How so with the one with Chilly? They were doing an ice attack omnidirectionally while a Friend Heart was going to them and the ice didn't do anything to prevent them from getting turned into an ally.your point about the enemy attacks blocking seems a lil off to me
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if it ain't too much to ask, mind providing an example of the Friend Heart being thrown in rapid succession?
How so with the one with Chilly? They were doing an ice attack omnidirectionally while a Friend Heart was going to them and the ice didn't do anything to prevent them from getting turned into an ally.
Sure, it's not too much to ask for. It's not like a machine gun, but it's fast enough for Kirby to swiftly continue after getting interrupted, and would probably require Mario to focus.
He can given his ability to do so to Boos in color splashYou need Soul Manipulation or EE to kill Kirby's Low-Godly. If Mario's NPI can't kill souls then he ain't stopping Kirby from regenerating.
Despite Boos disappearing after being attacked by Mario, they don't actually die, as stated during Super Mario⁶⁴.He can given his ability to do so to Boos in color splash
1)That doesn't invalidate his NPI and the fact that his AP advantage is to such a degree that if he sneezes too hard he will one shot kirby
You did the straw man fallacy or completely missed my point. I never attempted to invalidate Mario's non-physical interaction. He very clearly has that ability, even in the evidence I presented. My point is that a character being able to physically influence or even harm a ghost is not the same as a character being able to kill a ghost by negating their immortality. The only reason I mentioned what happened in Super Mario⁶⁴ is because it adds context to Boos disappearing, showing that they in fact don't die despite vanishing as a result of being defeated by Mario. This should apply to modern games such as Paper Mario: Color Splash, where Mario can physically attack ghosts to make them disappear but we have no reason to infer that he killed them, based on the context that was provided back in Super Mario⁶⁴. I'm referring to Mario's capabilities by default, not what he can achieve with his invincibility items, but either way, on his profile I saw nothing related to Mario's invincibility items granting him the ability of immortality negation.1)That doesn't invalidate his NPI and the fact that his AP advantage is to such a degree that if he sneezes too hard he will one shot kirby
2)Thats in 64, what I am talking about is Color Splash, where-in boos just die when Mario defeats them, in addition to Mario having items that let him one tap boos as a part of his standard equipment in this key, see invincibility items
The invincibility items quite literally cause the same effect as shining light on them in world games, which we know kills them. In addition to this, Mario has straight up killed Cacklettea's soul.You did the straw man fallacy or completely missed my point. I never attempted to invalidate Mario's non-physical interaction. He very clearly has that ability, even in the evidence I presented. My point is that a character being able to physically influence or even harm a ghost is not the same as a character being able to kill a ghost by negating their immortality. The only reason I mentioned what happened in Super Mario⁶⁴ is because it adds context to Boos disappearing, showing that they in fact don't die despite vanishing as a result of being defeated by Mario. This should apply to modern games such as Paper Mario: Color Splash, where Mario can physically attack ghosts to make them disappear but we have no reason to infer that he killed them, based on the context that was provided back in Super Mario⁶⁴. I'm referring to Mario's capabilities by default, not what he can achieve with his invincibility items, but either way, on his profile I saw nothing related to Mario's invincibility items granting him the ability of immortality negation.
How do we know that shining a bright light on a Boo really kills them? They look panicked and then disappear. That's very similar to what I showed in Super Mario⁶⁴, where a Boo makes a sound in pain from Mario's attack, then disappeared, but it's confirmed that it didn't die. Proving that Mario has the means to bother and hurt Boos doesn't prove that he can negate their immortality.The invincibility items quite literally cause the same effect as shining light on them in world games, which we know kills them. In addition to this, Mario has straight up killed Cacklettea's soul.
But even if mario cant actually put kirby down, mario can just bfr kirby using flip and gg
^?does Mario have optional equipment here? not like he may need it or not, since he can just one-shot Kirby repeatedly