The Fate of the World (Neo Metal Sonic vs Yhwach) [13-8-1]

[CodeCCLL]

Out of curiosity, what would 4D time hax look like then? Earlier someone sent the justification of being able to affect a space qualatatively superior to the 3 physical dimensions. One example being space-time. So if Chaos Control can stop all of space-time, why is it not 4D? It's fulfilling the standard or significantly affecting a structure qualatatively superior to 3 Dimensions

Looks good for 4D. But does Sonic start with that?

 

[omegabronic]

Acausality Type 4 you need to explain. Because: It has the kind of explanation that needs to be questioned.

i didn't understood what you are asking

Yhwach nullification all abilities he sees in the future.

which abbilities? we don't assume an ability null all hax, but just the ones shown to be able to null

Biological, Energy, Soul and Power; Yhwach can now absorb peoples bodies into himself through contact[49] and directly absorb their powers for himself as well

biological and soul are moot since metal is neither biological nor does he have a soul, energy and power tho, well he has the chaos emeralds in his super form, so he has infinite energy and power, so moot as well, about the bodies thing, can he absorb metal and stuff or just biological bodies?

 

[omegabronic]

Looks good for 4D. But does Sonic start with that?

sonic is not here, neo metal is, and since neo metal can copy 4D hax, he can copy yhwach's hax

 

[Hellscream]

So, sonic can copy low-2c hax, where does he copy 2-A hax exactly?

 

[Sniper670]

I'm having issues as to how anyone is copying anyone's hax in a crossverse match with vastly different power systems

 

[LaserPrecision]

Looks good for 4D. But does Sonic start with that?

Oh, I didn't really come to debate who wins. I was just more so curious on why stopping space time wasn't 4D if the standards link earlier affecting space time as a legit way to be 4D. Also, are you calling them Sonic for short? Cuz Neo and Sonic at entirely different characters.

Also to answer your question to not leave you hanging, the way Metal Sonic fights depends on his opponent as he has Eggmans level of intellect. If his opponent necessitates the use of Time stop, he'll use it. If they don't, he won't.

 

[omegabronic]

So, sonic can copy low-2c hax, where does he copy 2-A hax exactly?

low 2-C and 2-A are both equally 4D, one is just more range than the other, this doesn't matter much

 

[Hellscream]

Nah, that's not how scaling works fam

 

[CodeCCLL]

Also, are you calling them Sonic for short

Yeah.

 

[omegabronic]

I'm having issues as to how anyone is copying anyone's hax in a crossverse match with vastly different power systems

verse equalization applies here right?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Nah, that's not how scaling works fam

No, both 2A and Low2C are basic 4D.

 

[Hellscream]

Otherwise characters with 8-b absorption would be able to absorb 3-A characters, that ain't how it works.

 

[omegabronic]

Nah, that's not how scaling works fam

yes it is

 

[Hellscream]

It's not, make a thread for it.

 

[omegabronic]

Otherwise characters with 8-b absorption would be able to absorb 3-A characters, that ain't how it works.

a 8-B character can safely absorb a 3-A character yes

 

[Hellscream]

No lmao, that's not accepted here fam.

 

[omegabronic]

It's not, make a thread for it.

how about you show me a thread that proves what you are saying? or the page that says what you are affirming?

No lmao, that's not accepted here fam.

prove it

 

[Hellscream]

how about you show me a thread that proves what you are saying? or the page that says what you are affirming?

I just told you, make a thread for it or do you want me to make one?

 

[Undylan]

Nah, that's not how scaling works fam

Do you have any proof how it wouldn't work?

 

[Hellscream]

the burden of proof is on you that it would work on that scale.

 

[omegabronic]

I just told you, make a thread for it or do you want me to make one?

you told me, but you didn't prove it or showed where in our standards does it say what you are affirming

 

[Hellscream]

ight got it, i'll make the thread for u np

 

[omegabronic]

the burden of proof is on you that it would work on that scale.

no, it is on you, both low 2-C and 2-A are equally 4D, only difference being the range, therefore by logic it should work

 

[Sniper670]

verse equalization applies here right?

That only works if their power systems are similar enough to allow for equalization

 

[Undylan]

the burden of proof is on you that it would work on that scale.

I mean, it is right there. Why 2-A precog from Yhwach would be fundamentally different from any other 4D hax?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Yhwach's hax Basic 4D, 2A definitely only Range.

 

[Hellscream]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/power-absorption.149477/

there u go

 

[LaserPrecision]

Isn't copying an ability based on potency rather than range? If an Tier 8 character copied a Tier 8 ability that has Tier 5 range, they should be able to copy the ability. Now it'd be a different case if they tried to copy 4D hax with Tier 8 range. That they SHOULDN'T be able to copy.

 

[omegabronic]

so without the fate manipulation, and with metal having a 8x speed amp with the boost, what can ywach do?

 

[Sniper670]

Yhwach's hax Basic 4D, 2A definitely only Range.

I wanted to say this. It's merely just range for Yhwach, not potency.

 

[omegabronic]

metal can one shot ywach and has an 8x speed amp with the boost, what are ywach's other options?

 

[Hellscream]

metal can't absorb yhwach's hax unless if proven to be able to affect 2-A hax, and yhwach is capable of absorbing 2-A hax. Yhwach absorbs any and all powers he has.
Yhwach also passively negs any and all abilities in his arsenal.

 

[Sniper670]

metal can't absorb yhwach's hax

True

unless if proven to be able to affect 2-A hax, and yhwach is capable of absorbing 2-A hax. Yhwach absorbs any and all powers he has.

Vastly different power systems.

He's not going to be able to use them nor absorb them

Yhwach also passively negs any and all abilities in his arsenal.

Can you elaborate on how he's achieving this? If it's Almighty then gets negged with Acausality 4

 

[LaserPrecision]

metal can't absorb yhwach's hax unless if proven to be able to affect 2-A hax, and yhwach is capable of absorbing 2-A hax. Yhwach absorbs any and all powers he has.
Yhwach also passively negs any and all abilities in his arsenal.

Neo can't absorb hax. That's not even on his profile. Where'd you get the notion he could?

 

[omegabronic]

metal can't absorb yhwach's hax

metal does not have absortion anyway, he can copy abilities, not absorb them, plus as explained above low 2-C and 2-A are the same 4D, range is not relevant here

unless if proven to be able to affect 2-A hax, and yhwach is capable of absorbing 2-A hax. Yhwach absorbs any and all powers he has.
Yhwach also passively negs any and all abilities in his arsenal.

would he do it first before metal copies said abilities?

 

[Hellscream]

copying, absorbing etc doesn't matter, the character needs proof of being able to affect that said tier.

 

[Undylan]

metal can one shot ywach and has an 8x speed amp with the boost, what are ywach's other options?

A potential wincon for Yhwach that he can absorb Metal just like that he did with Mimihagi. The same goes with Aizen and nearly Ichigo when Yhwach re-wrote his own death and absorbed him too. Ichigo would be been asborbed but was prevented by a plot device.

And techinally, he could use The Sternritter's Schrifts which gives him a few more wincons but I'm not sure if I should include them to make this fair since he doesn't use them in-character.

 

[omegabronic]

copying, absorbing etc doesn't matter, the character needs proof of being able to affect that said tier.

no it doesn't, both are the same dimentionality

 

[omegabronic]

A potential wincon for Yhwach that he can absorb Metal just like that he did with Mimihagi. The same goes with Aizen and nearly Ichigo when Yhwach re-wrote his own death and absorbed him too. Ichigo would be been asborbed but was prevented by a plot device.

how does the absorption works?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Biological, Energy, Soul and Power; Yhwach can now absorb peoples bodies into himself through contact[49] and directly absorb their powers for himself as well.

how does the absorption works?