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Sonic vs Kratos

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My decision doesn't change.

8x speed boost plus a vastly superior Ap built into his defensive barrier should blitz Kratos in one hit while shutting down Kratos attacks

Kratos cannot close that speed gap with RE in a span of the few seconds Sonic will use to barrage him with attacks
 
Kratos should only be allowed to adapt and evolve to what he has shown to. same goes for sonic
i dont remember an 8x speed boost being one
 
Robo said:
mb i meant to say AD
kratos never AD'd an 8x speed boost 💀
and as for RE isn't that just an NLF most of the time? check this out
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That's not how AD works dude.
AD or RE doesn't stop working just because opponent is high up. There's no NLF here.

It just takes more time the larger the gap is.
If the difference is 100x or googleplex times, AD still works, it just takes ginormous amount of time to catch up.

What you are saying amounts to saying something like:-
In a race of 2 cars, if the trailing car tries to accelerate, it won't be able to if the leading car is far away and too fast.
Nope, it will just take long ass time to catch up.

Here 8x isn't an astronomical difference that cannot be overcome.
And Kratos doesn't need to overcome, he just needs to reduce the gap to make the battle manageable.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
That's not how AD works dude.
AD or RE doesn't stop working just because opponent is high up. There's no NLF here.

It just takes more time the larger the gap is.
If the difference is 100x or googleplex times, AD still works, it just takes ginormous amount of time to catch up.

What you are saying amounts to saying something like:-
In a race of 2 cars, if the trailing car tries to accelerate, it won't be able to if the leading car is far away and too fast.
Nope, it will just take long ass time to catch up.

Here 8x isn't an astronomical difference that cannot be overcome.
And Kratos doesn't need to overcome, he just needs to reduce the gap to make the battle manageable.
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Nah look. Character x has only been shown to adapt to water by growing gills right? he's fighting character y who has a 500x speed boost. (speed amp ability). character x has never adapted to a 500x speed boost before, just water shit which has nothing to do with speed. Thats why we should only use what character x has been shown to adapt to
 
Sniper670 said:
My decision doesn't change.

8x speed boost plus a vastly superior Ap built into his defensive barrier should blitz Kratos in one hit while shutting down Kratos attacks

Kratos cannot close that speed gap with RE in a span of the few seconds Sonic will use to barrage him with attacks
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Not RE, AD. RE covers hax resistance and new abilities. AD covers strength, speed, durability and combat capability.
 
Robo said:
Nah look. Character x has only been shown to adapt to water by growing gills right? he's fighting character y who has a 500x speed boost. character x has never adapted to a 500x speed boost before, just water shit which has nothing to do with speed. Thats why we should only use what character x has been shown to adapt to
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You do realise you are talking about hax adaptation?

RE/AD of statistical amplification kind isn't something limited by rules like that.

Imagine I am person walking at 10 m/s speed and you are running at 80 m/s.
And I accelerate ( AD), which is for example 1 m/s². Then I will take 70 seconds to catch up to your speed.
It's that simple. A simple maths and kinematic problem.

My acceleration doesn't stop working just because you are 8x faster than me.
My acceleration is my intrinsic attribute, not something limited by you.
 
Robo said:
Nah look. Character x has only been shown to adapt to water by growing gills right? he's fighting character y who has a 500x speed boost. (speed amp ability). character x has never adapted to a 500x speed boost before, just water shit which has nothing to do with speed. Thats why we should only use what character x has been shown to adapt to
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Fundamentally not how that works, at all. This is just growth, the main issue is whether it can catch up in time.

In this case, Kratos has Hermes' Boots, his own latent growth and instinctive reaction to alleviate the gap enough to use his abilities. He did this with his Accelerated Development when Castor and Pollux were using the Amulet, which can slow down targets to a near frozen state and overcame it in the fight itself. An 8 times gap is big but not that massive.
 
I think im getting confused between adaptation and accelerated development
but reactive evolution tho....thats just a massive NLF
 
Sniper670 said:
The burden of proof if on you to prove he was mhs+

I claimed that?
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Yes you did.
I have no burden here, you do.
You claimed a conjecture that Kratos may already be FTL, onus is on you to prove it.
Sniper670 said:
Where is it?

Send scans for that

Is there any reason he wasn't already ftl? Why are you defaulting to him being mhs+

I'm listening
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I can only scale Kratos to best speed feats he has. MHS+ is what he can be scaled to at Max before this fight. I cannot wank him to FTL without evidence. Simple logic and wiki rules.
 
Planck69 said:
In this case, Kratos has Hermes' Boots, his own latent growth and instinctive reaction to alleviate the gap enough to use his abilities. He did this with his Accelerated Development when Castor and Pollux were using the Amulet, which can slow down targets to a near frozen state and overcame it in the fight itself. An 8 times gap is big but not that massive.
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Still massive enough for Sonic to barrage him with vastly superior Ap.

A couple of hits and Kratos is down for the count
 
Why is an 8 times gap that big when Kratos can beat people that can snail pace him with temporal artefacts in melee just via his growth alone? Sonic has to cover 4 kilometers before Kratos can even think, which when you consider the prior statement as well as the fact that the growth is augmented by his nature as the God of War and his base speed is augmented by the Boots, isn't something likely.

Like, on top of the above gif, this is the degree the Amulet can affect speed when cast;

 
Ego said:
It's...incon because Kratos wouldn't use it?
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No? Sonic can oneshot and even with Kratos' growth would maintain a notable speed advantage. Kratos can also oneshot if his hax make contact. I can't definitely say who'll do so first.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Yes you did.
I have no burden here, you do.
You claimed a conjecture that Kratos may already be FTL, onus is on you to prove it.
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You claimed he was mhs.

I asked is there any reason against him not being already ftl?

Read my post
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
I can only scale Kratos to best speed feats he has. MHS+ is what he can be scaled to at Max before this fight. I cannot wank him to FTL without evidence. Simple logic and wiki rules.
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Sure.

Anyway.

The argument here is that Sonic will still be a lot faster than Kratos with 8x speed amp. All Kratos supporters are doing is closing that gap, which still isn't enough.

To put it simply, prove Kratos can RPL from 1 speed to x8 within the blitz movement of Sonic.
 
Planck69 said:
No? Sonic can oneshot and even with Kratos' growth would maintain a notable speed advantage. Kratos can also oneshot if his hax make contact. I can't definitely say who'll do so first.
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Both will punch each other and die then
 
Ego said:
It's...incon because Kratos wouldn't use it?
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It's incon because Kratos WILL absolutely use it. He can do it with his bare hands alone. Him having it on majority of his equipment and magic is just icing on the cake.

Only problem is the Sonic Blitz. At the end, it all falls down to whoever uses their trump card first.
 
Sniper670 said:
You claimed he was mhs.

I asked is there any reason against him not being already ftl?
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Because he doesn't have FTL feats. Isn't that simple?
Sniper670 said:
To put it simply, prove Kratos can RPL from 1 speed to x8 within the blitz movement of Sonic.
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Planck69 said:
Why is an 8 times gap that big when Kratos can beat people that can snail pace him with temporal artefacts in melee just via his growth alone? Sonic has to cover 4 kilometers before Kratos can even think, which when you consider the prior statement as well as the fact that the growth is augmented by his nature as the God of War and his base speed is augmented by the Boots, isn't something likely.

Like, on top of the above gif, this is the degree the Amulet can affect speed when cast;

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He deals with opponents snail pacing him.
 
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