You're right, let me clarify my intentions. I am not arguing for the impossibility of your interpretation, nor suggesting that such an interpretation is definitively incompatible with the information we have. Rather, I am saying that it seems more plausible, in my opinion, to think the aforementioned phrase referred to the gateway to other dimensions, not spatiality, because a jump from a single digit number of dimensions to infinite dimensions is -- independent of any other context -- something to be regarded with a level of scrutiny, and because the crucial phrase that this is built upon can feasibly refer to the defining quality of the Crossroads, that is definitively known and repeatedly referred to, whereas this notion of infinite spatial dimensionality is not as rock-solid.
I don't think it necessarily is, since there really isn't anything that makes infinite-dimensional space more special than 4-dimensional space from an objective standpoint, so Reed going from experiencing a small part of the realm (A 4-D universe) to the entirety of the realm (An infinite-dimensional universe) really is nothing to be seen as odd. I do understand that the statement referring to infinite realms is feasible, yes, but the context provided by the preceding panel (As well as others I've shown, as you can see by the last response to you in this post) and the points I've made prior make the option that it is referring to spatial dimensionality just as feasible, in my view.
For the matter, I would not particularly mind placing an asterisk in this statement, but the fact that "limitless dimensions" are mentioned
exactly right after a statement mentioning Reed going upwards from 3-D space to 4-D space makes it difficult to dismiss the latter option. Cases like this, of course, are why the "possibly" modifier exists on profiles. Though as mentioned before, due to the nature of the Crossroads, all statements of infinite dimensionality in the verse feed back to it in a sense, so Option 2 is made more solid by their presence, I would say.
Do we know that the Crossroads definitively contain more than 3 spatial dimensions? If so, is that based on the idea of the distortion area being the same thing as the Crossroads? If so, see the end of this post as there is something to iron out with that. I say "alleged" only because the matter is currently being discussed, not with regard to the dimensional shift at all, but specifically to infinite dimensionality.
Hah, I misread your post. My bad on that one.
Anyway, we do, yes.
See these scans, for reference. Subspace, the Crossroads of Infinity and the Distortion Area are all one thing (Also shown by how the Crossroads are described as accessed at "The edge of subspace")
I don't think they need to be contained within the Crossroads itself in order for the phrase "world of limitless dimensions" to be used in reference to the dimensions that the Crossroads provides access to. I can see the perspective that it is mildly awkward from a linguistic standpoint, but not pressing enough to really matter IMO.
Of course, on its own, that is not particularly binding, but I would say it is relevant when taking into account the wider context that the previous page presents.
However, I noticed in
this scan you provided that the Crossroads is described as a black hole in the center of the Negative Zone that contains a gateway to other dimension. This same scan describes the "distortion area" as an interface between the Negative Zone and our universe. I know part of your argument was the scan that implied that the Crossroads and distortion area were identical, but this scan seems to contradict such an interpretation. If that were indeed the case, would that change the main points of your argument? I am not sure how critically the "Distortion Area = Crossroads" piece fits into the main point you were making.
That was meant to be supporting evidence for the Crossroads of Infinity being indeed tied to spatial dimensions, outside of Fantastic Four #51 alone. The thing about this is that Subspace / the Crossroad is a connection point for several realms, so it is an interface between regular space and the Negative Zone, but also between various other universes.
I see. but, Is it possible to say "n" number of dimensions exist without perceiving them? It's not a speculation and the first time he discovered negative zone. If so, reed must upgrade to High 1-B
As said prior, that line of thinking is pretty irrelevant because old comics often crank "Tell, don't show" to the max and have characters describe exactly what is happening to them in very dramatic fashion. Reed's statements in this scenario are meant to be taken as factual, and that's all there really is to it. By that logic, all of what he says is unreliable (The Crossroads being a junction to everywhere, the initial Distortion Area being 4-dimensional, and so on), which we of course know is not the case.
Cascade being above heaven doesn't prove they are infinite spatial dimensions.
First we have to look into the credibility of the statement. It was said by Herriret, a human magic user when she explained about the world to Sam.
we can guess she is an omniscient person like reed richards.
When did I ever say that the Cascade being above Heaven is the reason for them being infinite spatial dimensions? The fact you say this to begin with seems to indicate you're either not reading what I say or are deliberately misrepresenting it. Harriet's status also doesn't really disprove her credibility,
especially given that she herself is who introduces the Voyager and explains what he is to the main character. These concepts are all information talked about in in-universe mystic circles, and she is taking it from those sources.
Converge mean meet at one place, higher dimensions meet at one place? what does that even mean? 2D,3D,4D,infiniteD meet at one place?
Exactly that, yes. Higher-dimensional realms are places in the exact same way 3-dimensional spaces are. There being a place in which they all converge doesn't really disprove that they are higher-dimensional.
Voyager passing oceans of higher dimensions have nothing to do with cascade. there is no evidence it was describing about cascade.
Layers of heaven are a whole different thing. It's above heaven. Heaven is not Cascade. Layers in heaven don't refer to dimensions.
Yes it does, and yes it is. What the Voyager wanted was to reunite with the spark of himself contained in Sam
so he could fuel his ascent to the "Cascade of dimensions above," which Harriet then directly states is Heaven. At the end, the Voyager finally gets his essence back, and Sam then describes his ascension to his native realm. I also don't understand the last bit; why would them being higher layers disprove that they are higher dimensions? Especially when they are called higher dimensions outright, with nothing going against that label.
In guidebook, it says he transcended earth dimension/reality and then ascended through reality and reality, implies what author meant by "the ocean of higher dimensions" are just higher realms. ocean of higher dimensions def not about dimensions in casacade because he wanted to go to his realm, why do he pass his own realm? doesn't make sense.
See above. The evidence points to the Cascade being the plane that is above those higher dimensions, where they all converge, and the Voyager, during his ascension to it, passes through said higher dimensions.
Btw, evidence for QS of those dimensions in cascade? (If I assume, what you said was true) None
Evidence for QS of those dimensions mentioned by reed richards? None.
The higher dimensions accessed by the Voyager are explicitly described as "layers of heaven that encrust the tiny shell of this universe." To quote the Tiering System FAQ:
One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc.
As mentioned before, the Crossroads of Infinity just have all the dimensionality statements in the verse feed back into them, due to their nature, so, the above is also a response to the second line there. Nevermind the fact that infinite-dimensional space would, by default, fit the "The higher-dimensional space in question needs to be fully-sized" requirement, since an infinite number of dimensions would result in infinite volume (Unless your measurement in each dimension is 1, which is obviously not the case here)
Now I've finally read the book though still doubt if it's canon to mainstream universe.
The Cascade of dimensions were never really shown to be transcendent, Heaven was never shown to be transcendent of the mortal universe.
First point seems like an odd argument. Why, exactly, would it not be canon? Especially since it's acknowledged in the official handbook.
Second point is addressed by the above. Higher-dimensional spaces embedding lower-dimensional ones within themselves, as the higher dimensions leading to the Cascade do (They're described as "encrusting the tiny shell of this universe") is generally enough for them to qualify for Tier 1.
I doubt we should accept such a statement from a normal human who was even asking questions about the Cascade of dimensions several pages back before he made this statement of a being, and his statement seem flowery.
The statement is valid because it is done as Sam
establishes a direct link with the Voyager and starts to share his memories and thoughts, as well as his perception of reality. The latter of which you can see by how he
describes his mind as "dilating" (Growing larger) and himself as gaining "new senses" that allow him to keep track of the Voyager's ascension back home. In fact,
his ability to comprehend what it is that he is seeing only terminates ("contracts," as he puts it) when the Voyager finally ascends back to the Cascade and their link is severed.
I also don't see how the statements being slightly poetical in their wording means anything. Verbiage being flowery doesn't necessarily mean that it is entirely comprised of overstatements, and the straightforward nature of the monologue itself here lends to that.
