Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision

[omegabronic]

I'm not derailing, my god.

sorry for that, used the wrong word, but still, you shouldn't use non accepted things as an argument

The other universes, which aren't part of the universe, also have branching timelines. Shouldn't the ROSAT have them as well?

the whole point of this thread is making all 12 universes to be the same space time, the timeline in db consists of 12 universes, they all branch together when someone time travel, but they have never been said to be space times of their own, while the rosat is, we assumed that they were since the rosat was inside the universe and we assumed that it branched along with it, without that now we have no reason to assume that anymore so it doesn't since it is another space time(earth sized tho)

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

what are you talking about? i am so confused about what the point is?

The RoSaT is inside the timeline which means space time continumm is encompassed within another which shows that other space time continumms can encompass others so the Universes are Low 2-C EVEN if the RoSaT is planetary in size it’s a space time continumm

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Not necessarily. There is no default logic when dealing with these things.

It's separate spacetime embedded inside the universe. If the Heaven, Hell, World of Void, all have different versions when the timeline branches off, it is more logical that the ROSAT should also.

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Change "universe" with "timeline" and nothing changes. Especially when the RoSaT is present within other timelines as well.

 

[omegabronic]

The RoSaT is inside the timeline

you keep saying that, what makes you say that?

which means space time continumm is encompassed within another which shows that other space time continumms can encompass others so the Universes are Low 2-C EVEN if the RoSaT is planetary in size it’s a space time continumm

no since they are affected by time travel in one real to another, you would need to prove that they are space times in the first place, the standard assumption is that they are not alternate space times, also the rosat is a pocket earth sized dimension, it is not the same as a whole universes

 

[omegabronic]

^

Change "universe" with "timeline" and nothing changes. Especially when the RoSaT is present within other timelines as well.

you know that there are other natural rosats right? super manga shows it

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

you know that there are other natural rosats right? super manga shows it

And? That isn't relevant to the topic. We're talking about the RoSaT where Goku and Vegeta, and others trained. Events that also happened in other timelines as shown within DBS.


Besides, the dimension Frieza trained in has just similar properties. It is not the RoSaT in any shape or form.

 

[omegabronic]

And? That isn't relevant to the topic. We're talking about the RoSaT where Goku and Vegeta, and others trained. Events that also happened in other timelines as shown within DBS.

different rosats mean that different timelines can access them, it doesn't need to be the same rosat

Besides, the dimension Frieza trained in has just similar properties. It is not the RoSaT in any shape or form.

it is called to be one also if it has the same properties then my point stands

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

the whole point of this thread is making all 12 universes to be the same space time, the timeline in db consists of 12 universes, they all branch together when someone time travel, but they have never been said to be space times of their own, while the rosat is, we assumed that they were since the rosat was inside the universe and we assumed that it branched along with it, without that now we have no reason to assume that anymore so it doesn't since it is another space time(earth sized tho)

Sorry but there isn't enough evidence to say that everything branches except for the ROSATs.

 

[omegabronic]

Sorry but there isn't enough evidence to say that everything branches except for the ROSATs.

why would it branch?

 

[KLOL506]

Iirc DT mentioned something about the universes in a DB-Timeline are "Subsets" of 4D spacetime. So, their still Low 2-C universes. I'll see of I could find it

Edit: I can't find it but I swear je said it on a DBH hypertimeline crt lomg ago.

Here is the comment:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/all-of-dragon-ball-cosmology-revision-staff-only.115556/post-3721397

 

[Theglassman12]

So is there any evidence that the individual universes are comprised of separate space-times into one macrocosm? Because I don't recall anything like Hell or the Other World being stated to have similar properties like the RoSaT, which got rejected to being a part of U7.

 

[omegabronic]

So is there any evidence that the individual universes are comprised of separate space-times into one macrocosm? Because I don't recall anything like Hell or the Other World being stated to have similar properties like the RoSaT, which got rejected to being a part of U7.

no, it was rejected too many times to count

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So is there any evidence that the individual universes are comprised of separate space-times into one macrocosm? Because I don't recall anything like Hell or the Other World being stated to have similar properties like the RoSaT, which got rejected to being a part of U7.

there is evidence, but you can't use it, there is a rule about using it here, our dear AKM imposed a strict rule, even discarded the work's databook.

 

[omegabronic]

there is evidence, but you can't use it, there is a rule about using it here, our dear AKM imposed a strict rule, even discarded the work's databook.

because people discussed it to oblivion, if you think your points are different, make a thread, specify why it is different, and preferably ask for some staffs opinion to see if it is allowed to post, you can do it, you just need to ask for permission

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

you keep saying that, what makes you say that?


no since they are affected by time travel in one real to another, you would need to prove that they are space times in the first place, the standard assumption is that they are not alternate space times, also the rosat is a pocket earth sized dimension, it is not the same as a whole universes

What are you asking?
For your second comment why are you mentioning it’s size the RoSaT is a space time continumm the RoSaT is inside of the timelien therefore it’s a space time continumm being encompassed by another

why would it branch?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/proposal-for-dragon-ball-cosmology-2-b-2-a.147742/

So is there any evidence that the individual universes are comprised of separate space-times into one macrocosm? Because I don't recall anything like Hell or the Other World being stated to have similar properties like the RoSaT, which got rejected to being a part of U7.

it is only accepted for db toei and not DBS

 

[omegabronic]

What are you asking?

you keep saying that the rosat is inside the timeline, what makes you say that? i am not denying it, just curious

For your second comment why are you mentioning it’s size the RoSaT is a space time continumm the RoSaT is inside of the timelien therefore it’s a space time continumm being encompassed by another

there is a great difference between a timeline and small earth sized dimension, they are treated differently here, also what is the evidence that the rosat is inside the timeline?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/proposal-for-dragon-ball-cosmology-2-b-2-a.147742/

not the same thing we are talking about, i was talking about the time travel branch, why would the rosat brach alongside the main timeline?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

you keep saying that the rosat is inside the timeline, what makes you say that? i am not denying it, just curious


there is a great difference between a timeline and small earth sized dimension, they are treated differently here, also what is the evidence that the rosat is inside the timeline?


not the same thing we are talking about, i was talking about the time travel branch, why would the rosat brach alongside the main timeline?

It’s shown to be within the timeline and the sizes of space time continumms are only treated differently for AP reasons here it’s being shown to use space time continumms can encompass space time continumms and they would branch because there’s only a small difference when something branches off like Goku is originally suppose to die but Trunks made a branching timeline that resulted in Goku staying alive and Goku trained with Kami and in the RoSaT so there would have to be proof that Kid Goku doesn’t train in the RoSaT in that timeline for some strange reason aswell

 

[Tarang123]

This is probably not going to pass due to the standards here, but I'm staying neutral. I think the validity of the tier 2 ratings are things that should be addressed as there is some debate as to whether the universes in DB are actual seperate space-time continuums. I think someone mentioned it earlier, but the fact that they seem to have their own histories (ex. Earth in universe 6 has already died out because humans are dumb while Universe 7's same earth has not) could imply the existence of multiple timelines, but I'm not sure if that can be the only deciding factor to this debate.

TLDR; I'm neutral

 

[Theglassman12]

@LuffyRuffy46307 which rule are you talking about? Because the only one I see that was rejected was trying to argue the DB universe is infinite, which isn't what I was asking for, I'm asking for any alternate evidence that the individual universes have alternate space-times inside of it.

@godofice So the non canon DB materials then.

If the RoSaT was the only evidence to argue multiple space time continuums within a single universe then I agree with the downgrade.

 

[omegabronic]

It’s shown to be within the timeline and the sizes of space time continumms are only treated differently for AP reasons here it’s being shown to use space time continumms can encompass space time continumms and they would branch because there’s only a small difference when something branches off like Goku is originally suppose to die but Trunks made a branching timeline that resulted in Goku staying alive and Goku trained with Kami and in the RoSaT so there would have to be proof that Kid Goku doesn’t train in the RoSaT in that timeline for some strange reason aswell

again, there are more than one rosat, why can't different timelines be reaching to different rosats?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

@LuffyRuffy46307 which rule are you talking about? Because the only one I see that was rejected was trying to argue the DB universe is infinite, which isn't what I was asking for, I'm asking for any alternate evidence that the individual universes have alternate space-times inside of it.

@godofice So the non canon DB materials then.

If the RoSaT was the only evidence to argue multiple space time continuums within a single universe then I agree with the downgrade.

rule that you can't use Daizenshuu (which is DB's own databook) is canonical for you who don't know

About the Universe being infinite the arguments were horrible, apart from the interpretation, four Galaxies, I cried with laughter

In Daizenshuu there is evidence of the other world being separated in the databook itself, but we can't use it because one didn't have a decent interpretation and created a rule not to use it.

That's all ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

 

[omegabronic]

rule that you can't use Daizenshuu (which is DB's own databook) is canonical for you who don't know

what? no, we use daizenshuu, it is just that it is secondary canon, so the manga takes precedence

In Daizenshuu there is evidence of the other world being separated in the databook itself, but we can't use it because one didn't have a decent interpretation and created a rule not to use it.

That's all ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

again, if you think that the arguments are valid, just ask a staff for permission, if they allow it so you can make a thread, there are options

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

@LuffyRuffy46307 which rule are you talking about? Because the only one I see that was rejected was trying to argue the DB universe is infinite, which isn't what I was asking for, I'm asking for any alternate evidence that the individual universes have alternate space-times inside of it.

@godofice So the non canon DB materials then.

If the RoSaT was the only evidence to argue multiple space time continuums within a single universe then I agree with the downgrade.

Universes are defaulted to Low 2-C the RoSaT is proof space time continumms can encompass another

again, there are more than one rosat, why can't different timelines be reaching to different rosats?

head canon you’d have to prove that

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

rule that you can't use Daizenshuu (which is DB's own databook) is canonical for you who don't know

About the Universe being infinite the arguments were horrible, apart from the interpretation, four Galaxies, I cried with laughter

In Daizenshuu there is evidence of the other world being separated in the databook itself, but we can't use it because one didn't have a decent interpretation and created a rule not to use it.

That's all ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

The daizenshuu can be used just not to prove the universe is infinite

 

[omegabronic]

head canon you’d have to prove that

weren't you in the last thread?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The daizenshuu can be used just not to prove the universe is infinite

Lol

 

[omegabronic]

can we not derail things by talking about the daizenshuu situation and rules in the wiki? it will already be a very long thread, let us focus on the topic at hand, please?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

weren't you in the last thread?

“again, there are more than one rosat, why can't different timelines be reaching to different rosats?”
This is head canon

 

[Irineu]

this became real chaos.

 

[omegabronic]

“again, there are more than one rosat, why can't different timelines be reaching to different rosats?”
This is head canon

no? they different space times in relation to universe 7, yet they can be accessed, what stops other timelines of doing the same? it requires less assumptions than the db local multiverse being a very specific kind of timeline

 

[omegabronic]

this became real chaos.

i warned, prepare for 10 page long thread

 

[Tarang123]

Also, quick question, is there any evidence to suggest that the notion that U7 contained other space-times was what gave the Tier 2 ratings to the cast?

 

[Theglassman12]

@LuffyRuffy46307 the infinite universe like I said has nothing to do with my question, I'm asking for other evidence the mainline series has alternate space times within each universe, I literally explained this in my last post.

@godofice I mean, not anymore when the last thread got rid of the RoSaT being within U7, not only that but last time I checked the RoSaT is the size of a planet, which wouldn't even qualify for the standards on full on space-time continuums and would at best be a pocket dimension. Without that one evidence the universes would just be downgraded to 3-A.

 

[Tarang123]

@godofice I mean, not anymore when the last thread got rid of the RoSaT being within U7, not only that but last time I checked the RoSaT is the size of a planet, which wouldn't even qualify for the standards on full on space-time continuums and would at best be a pocket dimension. Without that one evidence the universes would just be downgraded to 3-A.

Don’t we have to take into account that different universes are implied to having their own histories? I’ll bring it up again, but Earth has two different known histories in DB, one where it was wiped out cause of people and the main one. Could that be seen as adequate evidence for them being separate space-times?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

@LuffyRuffy46307 the infinite universe like I said has nothing to do with my question, I'm asking for other evidence the mainline series has alternate space times within each universe, I literally explained this in my last post.

@godofice I mean, not anymore when the last thread got rid of the RoSaT being within U7, not only that but last time I checked the RoSaT is the size of a planet, which wouldn't even qualify for the standards on full on space-time continuums and would at best be a pocket dimension. Without that one evidence the universes would just be downgraded to 3-A.

yes, you can read every thread and you will find comment saying.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Don’t we have to take into account that different universes are implied to having their own histories? I’ll bring it up again, but Earth has two different known histories in DB, one where it was wiped out cause of people and the main one. Could that be seen as adequate evidence for them being separate space-times?

I elaborated on that in my comment lol

 

[omegabronic]

Don’t we have to take into account that different universes are implied to having their own histories? I’ll bring it up again, but Earth has two different known histories in DB, one where it was wiped out cause of people and the main one. Could that be seen as adequate evidence for them being separate space-times?

unless the argument is that one is a branch timeline of the other, it would just be similar events, not enough proof for they to be different space times

 

[Tarang123]

unless the argument is that one is a branch timeline of the other, it would just be similar events, not enough proof for they to be different space times

If they have different histories and events actively play out differently, why can’t we take these as independent space-times?

 

[omegabronic]

If they have different histories and events actively play out differently, why can’t we take these as independent space-times?

why would that mean that they are different space times? they are different spaces, so they have different things happening in them

 

[Tarang123]

why would that mean that they are different space times? they are different spaces, so they have different things happening in them

No, the same planet earth goes through different events. They don’t seem to be under the same space-time. I mean, they are, but you get what I’m saying.

Having different spaces doesn’t change the fact that their histories aren’t the same despite the exact same planet Earth and likely other things as well