This doesnt mean anything for their own personal experience. Daniel wasn't trained since birth you just described other peoples experiences
Mikey is unpredictable this can very well happen since he did this with his bare hands
Daniel has no feats of beating hundreds by himself (mikey has multiple) or stamina statements like Mikey has(keep in mind Hanma has top 3 beat stamina in the verse)
Thats not how it works there has to he a calculation because i can do the same. Mikey kicked the car with bad balance since he was lured to the spot for that very reason meaning his AP is significantly higher. But we have to use calcs
Izana uses Analytical Prediction with similar AP and he was overwhelmed by Mikey because of the stamina difference which I mentioned in my last comment.
Systema is not enough to put him down. It would more than likely trigger his rage power and berserk mode. He took a beating to the skull with a metal pipe and still used his head to headbutt his enemy. A metal pipe to the skull repeatedly causes far more damage than systema and duraneg, and you are not taking into account Mikey has disarticulation and can break Daniels arms/legs when he attacks him as well.
Daniel has only used damage reduction against punches. Mikey kicks 85% of the time so that won't do much for him here. of If its not perfect you cannot assume he will negate "most" since it is flawed. He will negate some of them with a risk of still being hit.
Copying won't mean much since Daniel already uses the same Taekwondo Taehoon uses, and some form of Kyokushin karate. It would just be Mikey fighting a less experienced version of himself and by this point Mikey would have broken his arm or leg due to going berserk so thats not a guarantee for Daniel.
I don't see how this will do much for Daniel since the speed is equalized it would only mean something for his AP. This also can be negated with disarticulation. If Mikey breaks Daniels leg he would kill kim. Remember this is a fight to the death not a fight for knockout.
You do know gangsters and criminal syndicates are literally the same thing? All you did was change the name and age is irrelevant in this fight because Mikey has one shot Adults.
Fear res is not on small daniels page you cannot try to incorporate 2nd body abilities with original . Thats why they have seperate pages , fear inducement is valid in this fight
Mikey has the AP advantage.
This does nothing for Daniel he didnt do it himself therefore can't say his stamina is comparable just means he beat people with Mikey's stamina level, but with far less experience and hax
It very well can turn into a battle of attrition the AP is close and they have alot of the same fighting styles which means experience is how you decide the difference, which Mikey clearly has. We just both know if a fight of attrition happens Mikey wins.
Being unfazed has nothing to do with the calculation number. It was scaled to 263kj so thats what we use. Its too many scales that are done "unfazed" or "effortlessly" to just guess a multiplier.
I didn't ignore you, you just dont seem to understand how matchups work entirely lol. Hurting Mikey is not enough you have to put him down permanently. Also, Daniel does not have the AP advantage. Mikey does as the post states. Systema doesnt boost AP it negates defenses. Negating defense does not mean a win when the character he's fighting has high pain tolerance meaning he can tolerate the damage. Thats how it goes.
Disarticulation is not always a hold lol you don't seem don't understand it . Its seperating a bone from a joint. That doesnt only happen from grapples
The speed is equalized this does not matter and even if it did mikey also has them.
Mikey has 15 years of training. Daniel will not cover 15 years of experience in an random encounter fight at school.
Mikey has more experience than Justin and Chuck put together bro lol
Not when they both have the same amps. Its pointless
Mikey has Class 5 Lifting strength as well the profile just hasn't been changed from possibly. Also Disarticulation is a pressure point attack of the joints it has nothing to do with lifting strength it can be classified as duraneg
Middle schoolers in Lookism are genuinely scarier than adults in modern verses. It's literally a joke at some point that I gotta show later. The fact that he and Johan can copy 'experience' is already a big red flag for anyone who uses the experience argument. But yeah against someone who fights fodder it's a death sentence.
He lives in a dojo for his entire life.
Seem like you just came to argue against Mikey because i didnt even mention adults dawg i responded to a statement HE brought up mentioning adults
Johan copied Daniel and still lost. That literally means nothing
So explain Taiju Shiba , Mochi , Mucho , Terano South, Draken. Mikey runs every major region of tokyo by age 18 which is more concrete proof he is scarier than adults. His social influencing is more impactful as well
Johan copied UI daniel and lost due to lack of experience, AP and stamina. He's not a good example
You are mentioning NEW chapters when this is post sophia training daniel . You talking about "my boy" is losing and you're try to add abilities that aren't even relevant to this fight
Please show me where i attacked anyone what the hell are you talking about dude?
Cool. Now what separates them from a regular adult aside from "I know how to fight"?
Because you are bringing up "Experience can't be copied" when Daniel literally copied experience PRIOR to him gaining Post-Sophia Training. Of course I'm going to have to point out the flaws of your logic
They control major reigons in japan as teenagers in the same areas Yakuza exist . Everything you saying incan throw directly back at you. You think Mikey is the only martial arts user in TR?
But it means nothing if he still loses. Which is the point im making about copying being meaningless in this fight
Daniel copies MOVES not EXPERIENCE. Experience is mental and physical for the user himself to go through , he can't copy and experience what he haven't seen or been through which is a fact you kentioned Johan but he literally had to fight Daniel to copy him. While Daniel is doing all of that Mikey has 15 years of a head start, and He has never been in a fight where his life was seriously at risk. Which means he has the experience advantage. Its not that big of a deal
"Rikki" came in cursing and being toxic from a point YOU literally brought up and he attacked me for it. But somehow im the toxic one, and you said nothing about his language. I was clearly being cordial with you and because he is speaking in favor of said character you are rooting for which put a battery in your back to get toxic along with him mentioning "just because your boy is losing" when i have stated far better reasons than you have. Even listed them with numbers.
A bit busy till tomorrow but that's fine. Should be easy enough to implement with the others like Daniel's missing Fear Res key. I want to time it with the skill scaling thing I have for PTJ but that'll take more time.
Updated reasons Mikey wins since I "cherry picked" a fight you already said Mikey loses so how would this even make sense. ANYWAY.
LS: Checks out.Updated reasons Mikey wins since I "cherry picked" a fight you already said Mikey loses so how would this even make sense. ANYWAY.
Reasons:
Before you accuse someone of being bias, look in the mirror and make sure you aren't talking about yourself. That goes for you and whoever said I "cherry picked" this fight. If Daniel is so much stronger then nothing i just said will even matter, but it does. But im the bias one somehow for proving my point true
- LS advantage, Class 5>Superhuman. Mikey will break little Daniels arm or leg like he has done to multiple opponents under Dark Impulse and Daniel cant counter it.
- On top of having limited use of his arms Pressure point attacks from Mikey will paralyze Daniel leaving him vulnerable to he killed which will happen.
- The LS advantage makes Daniels Wrestling and Akido useless since he won't be able go grab Mikey for the listed reasons above. Although Daniel has the ability to escape grabs like with Xiaolung, Mikey's disarticulation is not utilized with the same grab and is done in a quicker fashion, so there is no evidence that disproves this.
- Some of Little Daniel's systema has yet shown to be able to damage his opponents like Jay Hong or 2nd Body Daniel. Xiaolung pointed out that he's "not that strong" when Daniel freed himself after using systema attacks multiple times and Daniel has weaker AP than Mikey, meaning the same will happen.
- Mikey has resistance to Analytical Prediction, which is one of Daniel's main skills he likes to use in fights
- Lack of experience. Daniel lacks the experience Mikey has habing only a few fights up until this point, and this was even revealed by Sophia, and an Taegon Yi. Daniel has accelerated development, but so does Mikey while already being more skilled. (Yes Mikey is more skilled. He was a prodigy since age 4 being able to kick closed bottle tops off which takes extreme concentration and precision, Daniel is called a "natural born fighter", but Mikey is a genius prodigy who already knew what Daniel had to learn).
- Little Daniel also has never been in a "fight to the death" style of fight and isn't the type of person to kill his opponent which is something else Sophia and Taegon Yi pointed out, that he doesn't have the right "mindset", which caused a new development in Daniel, but not enough to overcome Mikey.
- Mikey's social influence and fear manipulation would scare Daniel enough to throw his original gameplan off. Daniel does not have Resistance to either so this will happen.
- Using his superior information Analysis than his normal base I.A. Mikey would have adjusted to the Systema after a few attacks like Taegon Yi did. Mikey has far superior Information Analysis than Taegon
- Mikey loses his morality with the more darkness he unleashes while under Dark Impulse, He could use cafeteria chairs, or other weapons to attack Daniel with. If Mikey gets ahold of a kitchen knive he will kill Daniel like he did Draken.
- Mikey's Instinctive action with his Sleeping Boxing (a form of Drunken Boxing from Kung Fu)
- Daniel's power Mimicry wouldn't do much for him since him and Mikey use alot of the same fighting styles.
None of this have to do with the current fight. I'm pointing out you cant use those 2 as your argument for daniels systema when they dont have the same effect on opponents
Age ≠ experience. Also he fought 1 person, not "opponents" and the only people he beat were the underlings of Olly Wang and he got stomped by Eli. which doesn't prove much, Being in actual fights is where experience come from. You can copy all you want but its meaningless if you don't have actual fighting experience and which Sophia even said to him. Which is literally what i said when you kids were trolling me about him copying fighting styles. Its even in the manhwa that its meaningless to certain opponents.
It definitely works if he was skilled far longer and honed his skills he was doing the same things an Adult Kehaya from Baki was doing at age 4. You can't dismiss this
Senju who has a higher social influence than Daniel also was attempting to stop Mikey from fighting South and she was terrified and couldnt move and felt his murderous aura.
His arm would already be broken after the first exchange and there is nothing that proves he develops faster than Mikey whose reactive power overwhelmed 1 second ahead foresight . Better than anything Daniel has snown.
This makes no sense. Mikey has trained longer, knows more fighting styles, has better knowledge of the body to the point he can seperate bones from joints and is more versatile in those fighting styles . Most of Daniel's profile is stuff based off his second body which he hasn't shown and its vividly stated he isn't as skilled as the perfect body so there is no proof of your statements.
If they are older and have been fighting all their life then they are more experienced...
Taegon Yi was a homeless child stealing crumbs for survival he didnt have time to train and didn't become a martial artist until later in life. This does not apply to him. But it does to Mikey since he indeed has been training since 4 and even lives inside the place he trains (his family dojo owned by his grandfather)
Mastered Shotokan at age 4 to the point Baji questioned him and his grandfather on why he still trains,
But they don't have nearly the same influence as Mikey even if thats true. Mikey at that stage was becoming fhe #1 criminal in all of Japan. Not just an area, he controlled all of the country and had a hand in all crime. Not some, but ALL. They couldn't even be touched by federal authorities. Nobody up til Post-Sophia or even as a whole in the series has that type of social influencing.
Mikey went from being held down by 2 people having his skull repeatedly smashed by the 3rd person, to winning in an instant.
It does matter, if it didn't matter they wouldnt mention this more than once. He can't even do every technique his 2nd body has due to the height difference, which was also said. You are leaving out details that they explicitly state for a reason. They just made him taller recently.
For starters any punch/kick daniel throws can result in his limbs being broken since he uses it as a counter move. Which is what happened to South. UI Daniel did something similar to Gun, but was by brute force. Not disarticulation.
I already proven their reasons in accurate so you have to be more specific than just agreeing with disproven points
Aight then, bet.
Scan?
This is an accuracy feat
Fair enough
Ok
Post-Sophia Daniel is still skilled
Not sure how social influencing can help in this fight
Looks like accelerated development. How long did this take? Need Scan.
I'm pretty sure those guys are in the megajoules range in terms of AP
Feat and character profile here
Exactly, accuracy for pressure point strikes, which is a skill ... Mikey could do it perfectly since age 4 which i pointed out is something Adult Kehaya from Baki only mastered as an adult and he is from a notoriously skilled Sumo clan that uses kicks.
Yes he is skilled, but the question is is he more skilled than Mikey, and based on feats he is not. Fat Daniel/Small Daniel skills ≠ 2nd body. They even said the height difference makes it impossible for him to mimic alot of the moves. Gun when training him said he will teach him moves that fit his height
I gave an example. Mikey used his social influence to terrify Senju into not fighting by staring at her asking if she wanted to die. Onizuka also did something similar to the 100 demons in Oni-Baku. I'm not saying this is a big part of why he wins, just pointing out it is definitely a factor
I would say he's close, but not there. For Gun to be equivalent, he would have to have all 4 major crews under him with sworn loyalty, and most of the crews are in the same area, not the entire North and South Korea. Mikey controlled the entire Japan criminal underworld, was apart of every crime that happens in the country whether its murder, drugs, prostitution, gambling, extortion etc. all was controlled by Mikey, Japan is already bigger than South Korea which is only a part of the country. Only characters i've heard been to NK are Manager Kim, and Hansoo Seong
No cant be accelerated development or reactive power(Which Mikey has already) because he didn't get stronger, faster or more durable. His willpower when thinking about his dead brother while everyone thought the fight was over led him to victory
Okay thats fine
1. The scan only shows the aftermath.
Fair enough
Imma wait for COB or DivineAura to discuss about this cuz I've only red Lookism thrice so I'm not very knowledgeable on the verse.
I see, it might work on Daniel but I'm not sure so imma wait for more discussion
Gun wasn't limited to just South Korea, he has went to other places.
Based on the video, Mikey seemed to have gotten caught off guard which caused him to get captured and hit by the metal pipe.
That would make sense if it would happen to multiple people , mikey has beaten people far worse and never created lacerations. He mutilated his face with disarticulation to "make him smile" by force and was stopped by Baji. Fists cant create perfect symmetry lacerations
Mikey and Shinichiro had ties to the Philippines when he was on the run from federal authorities during the Black Dragon arc
Im not sure what relevance pointing this out has to do with the winner of this fight but congratulations to him i guess? It may be "more impressive" from a skill standpoint but yet and still nobody has taken over an entire country to the point they have more power and influence than the police.
He was held down by 2 people and seen Kazutora launching before the hit occurred i wouldnt call that caught off guard.
Under supernatural willpower it says "Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure".
No problems, just commenting more details for future voters .
Maybe I'm blind but are these guys at least on this thread?
