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Dr. Slump Arale Chan Downgrade

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Iamunanimousinthat said:
Arale's profile has her being Low 1-C by scaling her to the authors you are claiming to be 3D. This cannot be anymore cut and dry.
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AKUTO123 said:
I think I totally agree with op now. Even if Toriyama has real 5D avatars, these avatars see the space in question as fictional as you said. Arale has done all of his achievements to 3D avatars that are the same size as him, in short, arale low 1C seems definitely wrong, of course, it has no feats against the 5D avatars you mentioned.
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Phsccarvalho said:
I think @Ss3micah did well to show Tori's 3D and 5D avatars. I don't know much about Level 1, so I don't know if it has enough R>f.

From what I've seen, it looks like there are two tori robots, one that appears in Dr.Slump and one that is in the 5D world.

I think he just needs to address whether Arale has prowess in using his plot hax on these 5D avatars.
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Can I respond to this tomorrow? It is 12:40am now and I have work tomorrow

BUT just not to leave you hanging without an appropriate response I will be honest and tell you what I can off the top of my mind.
I have established that their are two sets of Avatars, 3-D and 5-D......

And as both Iam and AKUTO123 have pointed out even if there are 5-D Avatars, Arale's current scaling in terms of plot hax.... only seems to be with the 3-D one's but not with the 5-D one's. I shall check my sources tomorrow and see if their are any feats of scaling with the 5-D avatars..... If there is then I shall present them and if there is not then like it or not I'll accept the downgrade to a more suitable tier (in all Likelyhood 2-C) that accurately reflects the Plot Hax Potency of the 3-D Avatars.

Give me till tomorrow to know the outcome
 
Phsccarvalho said:
This CRT was created from the Beerus upgrade CRT, but... what does Arale's Low 1-C have to do with beerus? EE 5D comes from Beerus deleting Dr. Mashirito and possibly being able to erase Arale, two characters that withstood the EE of a 5D avatar (was it a 5D avatar?).

Even though it doesn't have Arale's prowess using her hax on 5D avatars, she withstood the EE of a 5D avatar (I'm guessing it's the 5D one)


If there are no Arale feats using plot hax weave in 5D avatars, I don't think it will affect EE 5D.

I mean, Beerus has resistance to Toon Force 5D because of Arale's Low 1-C hax plot, so I guess that would change.
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The character has no profile. Arale is the only one with one other.

There is no definitive evidence that when the author avatar covered the comic strip with ink he was erasing the world. (i only have the japanese with no subs so I cannot confirm the dialogue). From the visuals, it wasn't shown if the world was erased nor did we see the world erase. The very next scene, the world was the same. In the later episode, the author then asks a character in the story to build a machine to erase the characters.

Here are the problems;

1. This author avatar is not a transcendent avatar and exists within the story.
2. If the author is transcendent, why would they need the 3D character to build a machine for them.
3. Why would a 3D machine be more powerful than a transcendent character?

In conclusion:

The supposed erasure never happened
or
The erasure isn't Low 1-C.
 
Yeah I’m still agreeing with the OP on the downgrade. Even if Toriyama has a 5-D Avatar in Dr. Slump it’s irrelevant if Arale hasn’t actually interacted with or effected said 5-D avatar, if she’s only done it with his 3-D one, then Low 1-C is bunk.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
There is no definitive evidence that when the author avatar covered the comic strip with ink he was erasing the world.
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You suggesting he wasn't when Context points to that being the case is two different things. It's easier for Occamz's Razor to prove my point that it is to prove yours since the context of the episode plus previous feats lead to that conclusion than yours
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Here are the problems;

1. This author avatar is not a transcendent avatar that exists within the story.
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3-D Avatar. 5-D Avatars have made it clear they cannot appear in fictional manga because they are not fictional they are Real and can only use self inserts to interact with the world
Iamunanimousinthat said:
2. If the author is trancendent, why would they need the 3D character to build a machine for them.
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Same as a above
Iamunanimousinthat said:
3. Why would a 3D machine be more powerful than a transcendent character?
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It isn't. Dr. Slump characters cant interact with the 5-D World as clearly established by them.
Iamunanimousinthat said:
The supposed erasure never happened
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The Erasure did happen it's just that no one was affected by it. We see tori use Manga panels to interact and affect the world numerous times. This time would be no different. Unless you wanna say Tori suddenly forgot how to use his hax or his hax magically stopped working. Again given the context, Occamz's Razor favors me than you
Iamunanimousinthat said:
The erasure isn't Low 1-C.
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This I can currently say yes to, my answer may or may not change tomorrow
 
Not to mention

Iamunanimousinthat said:
From the visuals, it wasn't shown if the world was erased nor did we see the world erase. The very next scene, the world was the same. In the later episode, the author then asks a character in the story to build a machine to erase the characters.
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If what I bolded out is true, then I’m not even sure how this would even be a feat for Arale? Because even if it’s an erasure, if the world comes back the next scene, wouldn’t this simply be Arale being brought back with the world? Because then the ink wouldn’t have effected her to begin with if it was a resistance.

Or if the author avatar asks another character to make a machine with the capability of erasing the characters, that pretty much means the author is asking help for something they themselves don’t have the capability of already.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Not to mention



If what I bolded out is true, then I’m not even sure how this would even be a feat for Arale? Because even if it’s an erasure, if the world comes back the next scene, wouldn’t this simply be Arale being brought back with the world? Because then the ink wouldn’t have effected her to begin with if it was a resistance.

Or if the author avatar asks another character to make a machine with the capability of erasing the characters, that pretty much means the author is asking help for something they themselves don’t have the capability of already.
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It's literally just Arale being a gag. Similar thing happened in the crossover in DB. One second, she's cracking the Earth in half, and the next it's perfectly fine. It's like scaling Kid Goku to Low 1C for "breaking the manga panel"
 
Since this CRT is to remove Arale's Low 1-C plot hax, for now I agree with OP until Arale's exploits using his hax on 5D avatars are shown.
 
Yeah you know what Im just gonna just agree now and so I dont have to deal with this in the morning
I would research tomorrow but the notifications keep coming in and and all these out of control Low 1-C DBS/DBH threads need to stop NOW!!!

Can you just have the plot manipulation reverted to 2-C for Arale, Gatchan and just completely removed from Dragon Ball Fusions Arale

The easiest reason for 2-C is because their are multiple statements of the 3-D Avatars creating and manipulating the Dr. Slump series and could end the series if they wanted to and the series has at least 25+ Confirmed Timelines.

Here (Up to 2 Timelines confirmed here)
Here (Plus the 2 from before up to 5 Confirmed here)
Here (Senbei travels through the Corridors of Time, in doing so he crosses path with variations of himself from Alternate Timelines. The total number of Senbei's counted in this scene is at least 20 and adding the 5 from before is up to +25, meaning which at the very least their are 25+ Alternate Timelines and potentially more as more senbeis keep entering the Corridors of Time by the Second.)
 
Tarang123 said:
Yeah, I agree with the OP as well (though, I already agreed earlier, so why am I doing it again?), but let's try not to instigate some toxicity. I think this thread should just end as quick as possible before any more Low 1C Dragon Ball threads come
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I am not trying to instigate. Just doing this to encourage more concise rebuttals.
 
This whole avatar thing seems like utter nonsense/headcanon, even from Micah's responses.

As far as I've seen, there's no actual statement about avatars, nor there being a higher universe where toriyama is writing from. For all we know, in the instances where Toriyama is outside of the story while writing it he's just in another universe. Not actually a higher universe/dimension. (Like Re:Creators). Beyond the reality>fiction elements there's no actual proof of transcendence.

And there being multiple Toriyama's on screen meaning they're all avatars of a higher dimensional entity. :rolleyes:
Throw the rating away.

Edit: If stuff like this was enough the Doki Doki protagonist would be Low 1-C.
 
I think it's important to note, but the way I understand this is just a case of a character being an author avatar, and people assuming qualitative superiority off that.

Additionally, the showings should be reasonably clear. Vague cameos of author avatars, hints at a "player" character without further context or similar things should be disregarded. In such cases it simply can't be sufficiently ascertained that the world is viewed as true "fiction". In some cases it's not even clear if it's more than a simple nod to the audience or humorous instance of Breaking the Fourth Wall, which is not to be taken seriously.
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This is directly quoting an excerpt from the Reality-Fiction Transcendence page, and I think it fits here. It feels like nothing more than some 4th Wall Breaking
 
Reading through this, I agree with the downgrade as well.

It's important to note that aside from the fact that she's only ever interacted with the 3-dimensional avatars of the author, an actual higher order author would still need to exist within the fictional framework of the story itself. So considering that there is no such higher level author actually controlling them within the setting itself, this is mostly 4th Wall Breaking as well as Plot Manipulation of a far lower level.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Btw, as I said before, I’m kinda surprised that the transcendence and higher dimensional standards don’t address things about authors considering they’re the common case of being used for tier 1 upgrade attempts.

Should this thread be a flagship to taking care of that?
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It is addressed in R>F iirc.
 
Hmmm, I still think Ultima should be called. Since he was one of the guys who agreed with Arale's rating.
And this is concerning wherever or not a character qualifies for the Low 1-C rating.
So it should be significant enough for a downgrade like this.

Instead of trying to rush and downgrade the character becouse you guys hardcordly can't stand the notion of a DB character with strong stuff
 
StrymULTRA said:
Ultima agrees with anything that grants Tier 1 though.

And besides, y'all should stop treating him like his word is gospel.
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It should still be called here regardless.
He was one of the guys who agreed with thread, he still needs to be called here and adress his points

He's still more knowledgeable in the tiering stuff that most Staff that agreed with this thread, and it's a fact, not a desire.

I will DM him anyways.


You all should seriously stop trying to rush this thread becouse you can't stand the notion of tier 1 in DB.
 
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