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Dr. Slump Arale Chan Downgrade

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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Is he refuting this:
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No. I'm refuting the fact that the author avatar is not transcendent to this work, therefore his actions do not qualify for Low 1-C. Any shenanigans, meta, plot wise, toon force, would not qualify for that level under our current Reality-Fiction transcendence page.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
No. I'm refuting the fact that the author avatar is not transcendent to this work, therefore his actions do not qualify for Low 1-C. Any shenanigans, meta, plot wise, toon force, would not qualify for that level under our current Reality-Fiction transcendence page.
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Do you think you can also refute 3-B Arale too? The current justification of "She surpassed Caramel Man 007" makes no mention of any 3-B feats
 
Ss3micah said:
Can you all like wait please
I have been compiling and writing for hours now because I want my explanation to be airtight
I could have responded 2 hours ago but I kept on getting more and more ideas of what to add so Im adding it and explaining it as well
Give me some time please
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We are, that's kinda what I just said actually.
 
Darksmash said:
I am not familiar with Dr. Slump but the OP seems to bring relevant points and nothing I read on the profiles seems to counter them. In general assuming author avatar means auto transcendence is kinda dumb. So I am agreeing for now.
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I’m surprised the transcendence standards don’t address this thing about authors
 
Anyway, I’ll go ahead and agree with the downgrade as much as I want tier 1 DB. Darksmash pretty much summed everything up
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
This is quite simple. The reasonings given for Low 1-C hax for Arale aren't sufficient.

Her hax comes from scaling to a character (that doesn't have a profile by the way). This character is presented on Arale's profile to be the author of the series and has full control of the medium. This is not true. Toribot, while being the author avatar, exists in the same world as the rest of the characters and even has a house in the series. Toribot is equal to all other charactesr and subjected to the same physics and gags of the characters.

I cannot link the episode to this site, but you can find it where you watch anime it's Dr. Slump Arale-chan episode 59. For those who don't have time here:

drslump.fandom.com

Toriyama's House

Toriyama's House is the house of Tori-bot. He works on his comics here. It first appears in the chapter "The Time Stoppers" and in the episode "The Super Exciting Time Stop". Tori-Bot
drslump.fandom.com drslump.fandom.com

Screenshots from the episode showing the author avatar lives in the same world as the rest of the characters:




Proof that the author avatar lives in the same world as the characters. All instances of plot manipulation, reality warping, and toonforce is at the same level. There are no qualitive superior layers. In fact, the author avatar has to ask other characters for help with things such as, stopping time (episode 59), or erasing other characters (episode 240).

Here is evidence from the manga that shows the author exists within the same world as the rest of the cast and is not transcendent to them.




This also violates the Reality-Fiction Trancendence page where it says:

However, there are also factors that can speak against Reality-Fiction Transcendence, even if all of the above is given. Those include:

  • The realities are portrayed like parallel universes or otherwise as having just a finite difference in scale or having a similar nature.
  • The characters from both realities are generally being portrayed as comparable in power
  • The author character completely live in the fictional medium themselves. For example the author character might have a book that contains the world, but the author themselves are also a character in it and don't exist outside it any more than other characters of that world.
  • The fictional characters being able to attack the real ones without being shown to somehow have transcended their fictional world or having special abilities that allow it. Such instances often have to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis to judge how they are best rated.
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A very good argument..... truly it is........
Maybe I should just give up on the whole Upgrade and let the Downgrade Happen 😁
Anyways I agree to the downgrade 🙂
Let's let it happen people 🥳
 
I feel that standards when it comes to tiering characters on the upper echelons of the tiering system should be stricter, and need definitive proof of a qualitative difference.

Toribot being the author avatar and viewing them as part of the manga he’s making (while being above them in power supposedly) is certainly a good point, but considering that he exists in the world there, I’m a bit doubtful
 
Darksmash said:
What even is your point
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THIS IS
Yeah, I think not.....
Time to Retaliate......

Now
Maybe you didn't read the last thread to well?
I can only assume that is the case otherwise you would not have missed the point that Toriyama interacts with the Dr. Slump world and characters through AVATARS? There are so many examples I cant begin to point out but on MULTPLE occasions it's been established that Toriyama is not a Singular Entity in Dr. Slump but they are AVATARS of the True Akira Toriyama.

Need Proof?
HERE, we clearly see Akira Toriyama and Akira Toriyama in the same panel??? Wait what? There are Two Authors named Akira Toriyama in Dr. Slump? Do both of them live in the same house? Nahhhhhhhhhh...............must just be a coincidence.......
WAIT, what's this? It happened again? But how? How can two beings who are Akira Toriyama exist within the same story at the same exact Time (with no time travel shenanigans)

Simple, because both of them are equally just both Avatars being drawn into the world of Dr. Slump by the True Toriyama which I'll prove in a second.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I'd like Point your attention to Exhibit A and B. What do you see in both exhibits? Akira Toriyama? Yes your correct. Multiple entities identify themselves as Akira Toriyama in across Dr. Slump and they all exist at the same time. So now my question becomes..... which one of them is the Author and which one of them writes the world of Dr. Slump. "A" seems to think it's him and "B" seems to be the one who likes doing it. Maybe it's both A and B? Maybe their are 2 Akira Toriyama's that exist at the same time and both of them write Dr. Slump together? Wait a minute hold the phone? Is that Exhibit C who exists at the same time as Exhibit B and claims to be the Author as well? So now we got three people who all exists at the same time within the same setting and all of them are equally Akira Toriyama and the Author and Dr. Slump now has three authors.......Fantastic. But what a sec? How does this work? How do you have three beings all named Akira Toriyama all being the Author's all at the same time? Well here is my answer...... there all Avatars drawn into the world of Dr. Slump like any other character.

Need Proof?
Alright observe THIS
What is it that you see? The author no doubt from outside of the Dr. Slump Reality drawing over all of it as the Reality of Dr. Slump was a Page? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............probably just a coincidence.
WAIT, what's this? Someone treated the entire Dr. Slump reality as residing on a Page?

But hold up I have Question?
  • If the Author and the Dr. Slump world as on the SAME way length then why didn't his massive arm come into contact with anything from the World?
  • Why didn't his paint brush just phase through the sky instead of actually affecting the sky?
  • Why does it seem like he has an "outside perspective" on things and treats the Reality of Dr. Slump as Drawings?

The answer is plain and obvious. From both scans above it doesn't take a genius to know that the Author clearly exists outside of the confines of reality and treats the entire reality in its entirely as Drawings on a Page. The World, Everything and Everyone is a Drawing as made clear Time and Time. To this Author who exists outside the confines of the Page and can manipulate and can draw the world into existence. But mehhhhh that's just two cases?

Want more proof?
Observe THIS
The Fim reel in which the Entire Dr. Slump reality.... with all it's characters was damaged and SOMEONE from outside of the Dr. Slump reality, who treats the entire reality as a Film Reel and the Reality from his perspective can be fixed with DUCK TAPE. DUCK TAPE sticking Reality back together? This person OUTSIDE the Dr. Slump Reality observing all of it as a Literal Film Reel? If it ain't obvious by now? Their are Authors who you can't deny, living and existing outside of Dr. Slump that sees all of Dr. Slump in it's entirety and it's reality as Fiction.


WANT EVEN MORE PROOF?
Guess what? Arale proved it herself
Arale takes a Picture of the people reading her manga and they flat out display that from their perspective..... Dr. Slump, it's world and all of it's characters exist in a Book as Literal Fiction. Clearly there ARE people beyond Dr. Slump's world who oversees the entire verse on fictional pieces of mediums. Whether it's a Book, a Page or an Animation Strip. In all cases there are people outside of those mediums that contain the Dr. Slump world and oversee it as Fiction and Treat it as Fiction as well.

Wait a sec......
I haven't addressed the Toriyama house argument then have I?

So Toriyama lives in Dr. Slump with Dr. Slump characters and he lives all by himself? Correction.... His Avatar's do but he does not. You see this House right here, THAT is where Toriyama lives and he lives the Guy you see in the Manga Panel. That house, that location exists NO WHERE in Dr. Slump as a whole. Wait that could have JUST been a one time occurrence and not where he actually lives.....

Need more Proof?
OH LOOK, the same house appears again and both Toriyama and this guy are living there. How interesting that the location for Toriyama's house in Dr. Slump World is completely Different here PLUS he has a roommate. But Nahhhhhh.................. to images prove nth

Need even more Proof?
Well blow me down, Toriyama and his room mate once again share a house that not what is present in the World of Dr. Slump........ Oh but nahhhhhhhh that just a triple coincidence

Need even far more Proof?
And the LORD has sounded the trumpets. So ummm yeah. Like I said, the Wiki is unreliable and I have justly proven why. While it is TRUE that one of Toriyama's many avatar's live in the location that was specified in the OP. That's just the 3-D Avatars. The True Toriyama on the other hand lives in a location that you will never see appear once in Dr. Slump world with a character that again doesn't appear in Dr. Slump World. You can even check the OP's scan to see that the house in the OP is not the same as the House shown here. And the Character shown in the OP scan has no showings in the OP's scans either.

Now on to ANOTHER crucial point. Where is R>F here?
Why not take a look at THIS
Both Toriyama and his Room Mate identify Arale as a TV Character. She's Fictional to them. Toriyama even identifies that Arale had an original draft which he then later on changed.

Need more proof that Arale is a fictional character in comparison to the Authors?
Explain this? It seems like Arale, the characters and world of Dr. Slump is a fictional Television series in comparison to other people. Maybe that isn't meant to be taken seriously........ wait what's THIS? Arale's Voice Actress has presence in the Author World? Hmmmmmm Maybe she appears in Dr. World at some point..... But wait a minute? Why would Arale HAVE a voice actress and why would arale need someone else to be the reason she is filled with Life is the Author Avatars are Just as Real as they are? Again it comes right back to the Fact that they are Fictional Characters and are Fictional to the Author Avatars.

Need more and more proof
This Girl, is there a manga chapter in existence when this girl met Senbei? Does Senbei know her? I'll save you the trouble.... NO he does not. This Girl has never met Senbei nor any other Dr. Slump character in anyway before? So umm? How does she know him? Because Sembei is a apart of a fictional series that is read and watch by people of the Author World. Need proof of this? Well ask this Guy. That guy named, Akira Toriyama says himself that the Dr. Slump is a Work of Fiction. Need more proof well LOOK HERE. The Ultra Man in Dr. Slump is someone who he acknowledges as a Fictional TV character from a Fictional TV series that he himself is not apart of. Speaking of which......Guess what, Toriyama straight up says he never appears in any manga. Now why is that? Why is the character that appeared in Dr. Slump manga saying he never appears in Manga. Well as I previously explained, Like the World and its Characters, all the Simultaneously living and existing Akira Toriyama's are nth more than drawings, works of fiction like any other character in Dr. Slump. All of which is created by the True Toriyama outside it. This point is driven ALL the home with Toriyama's Documentary detailing the events of his life. The CLEAR AS DAY states that this is a work of NON-FICTION and any resemblance to actual people and events ARE intentional. The Toriyama Document's story cover's characters and events that are 100% DEEMED BY TORIYAMA HIMSELF A WORK OF NON-FICTION. The Characters and World of Dr. Slump has been repeated over and over, time and time again to be a work of COMPLETE FICTION. But compared to Toriyama and those of the Author World, they are confirmed NOT FICTIONAL in any regard. It's also a plus that ALL of them are regarded as Non-Fictional Characters and Dr. Slump character's has NOT been seen interacting with these NON-Fictional characters in any way. And just to hit the nail on the head. Have This. An image meant to symbolize the perspective difference between him and Dr. Slump that actually appears in the Manga which BTW he does numerous times. Clearly highlighting the difference between himself and Dr. Slump characters.

Oh and Btw, for those who are skeptical of Avatars drawing themselves into Fiction. Well guess what Look at that. I guess Avatars drawing themselves into fiction is NOT so uncommon anymore. And for those curious as to who that might be? Well, it is yet ANOTHER Avatar of Akira Toriyama. And to make my point just a tiny bit stronger HERE is an image of Toriyama overviewing a world deemed fictional to himself

Conclusion?
I believe I have provided significant amount of explanation and evidence to show that:

1. The residence that Toriyama has in Dr. Slump belongs to one of many of his 3-D Avatars
2. Their are multiple Akira Toriyama's running around and all of which are equally the Author
3. There are MULTIPLE pieces of evidence to state that Dr. Slumps reality exists on fictional mediums and their are people who exists outside it scope and observed and manipulate it in a variety of ways
4. True Toriyama and all characters are the Author World are clearly not fiction as established while Dr. Slump characters are
5. Avatar's can clearly draw a fictionalized version of themselves into worlds they deem fictional to themselves.
 
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I don't have the best knowledge on Reality-Fiction policies, so I'm going to wait for those more expertised on those fields come. But I did here a lot of complaints about Arale having Low 1-C hax in general and in turn scale to Beerus and the others. I am not a big fan of people attempting U-turns too fast, but so be it.
 
Ss3micah said:
THIS IS
Yeah, I think not.....
Time to Retaliate......

Now
Maybe you didn't read the last thread to well?
I can only assume that is the case otherwise you would not have missed the point that Toriyama interacts with the Dr. Slump world and characters through AVATARS? There are so many examples I cant begin to point out but on MULTPLE occasions it's been established that Toriyama is not a Singular Entity in Dr. Slump but they are AVATARS of the True Akira Toriyama.

Need Proof?
HERE, we clearly see Akira Toriyama and Akira Toriyama in the same panel??? Wait what? There are Two Authors named Akira Toriyama in Dr. Slump? Do both of them live in the same house? Nahhhhhhhhhh...............must just be a coincidence.......
WAIT, what's this? It happened again? But how? How can two beings who are Akira Toriyama exist within the same story at the same exact Time (with no time travel shenanigans)

Simple, because both of them are equally just both Avatars being drawn into the world of Dr. Slump by the True Toriyama which I'll prove in a second.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I'd like Point your attention to Exhibit A and B. What do you see in both exhibits? Akira Toriyama? Yes your correct. Multiple entities identify themselves as Akira Toriyama in across Dr. Slump and they all exist at the same time. So now my question becomes..... which one of them is the Author and which one of them writes the world of Dr. Slump. "A" seems to think it's him and "B" seems to be the one who likes doing it. Maybe it's both A and B? Maybe their are 2 Akira Toriyama's that exist at the same time and both of them write Dr. Slump together? Wait a minute hold the phone? Is that Exhibit C who exists at the same time as Exhibit B and claims to be the Author as well? So now we got three people who all exists at the same time within the same setting and all of them are equally Akira Toriyama and the Author and Dr. Slump now has three authors.......Fantastic. But what a sec? How does this work? How do you three beings all named Akira Toriyama all being the Author's all at the same time? Well here is my answer...... there all Avatars drawn into the world of Dr. Slump like any other character.

Need Proof?
Alright observe THIS
What is it that you see? The author no doubt from outside of the Dr. Slump Reality drawing over all of it as the Reality of Dr. Slump was a Page? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............probably just a coincidence.
WAIT, what's this? Someone treated the entire Dr. Slump reality as residing on a Page?

But hold up I have Question?
  • If the Author and the Dr. Slump world as on the SAME way length then why didn't his massive arm come into contact with anything from the World?
  • Why didn't his paint brush just phase through the sky instead of actually affecting the sky?
  • Why does it seem like he has an "outside perspective" on things and treats the Reality of Dr. Slump as Drawings?

The answer is plain and obvious. From both scans above it doesn't take a genius to know that the Author clearly exists outside of the confines of reality and treats the entire reality in its entirely as Drawings on a Page. The World, Everything and Everyone is a Drawing as made clear Time and Time. To this Author who exists outside the confines of the Page and can manipulate and can draw the world into existence. But mehhhhh that's just two cases?

Want more proof?
Observe THIS
The Fim reel in which the Entire Dr. Slump reality.... with all it's characters was damaged and SOMEONE from outside of the Dr. Slump reality, who treats the entire reality as a Film Reel and the Reality from his perspective can be fixed with DUCK TAPE. DUCK TAPE sticking Reality back together? This person OUTSIDE the Dr. Slump Reality observing all of it as a Literal Film Reel? If it ain't obvious by now? Their are Authors who you can't deny, living and existing outside of Dr. Slump that sees all of Dr. Slump in it's entirety and it's reality as Fiction.


WANT EVEN MORE PROOF?
Guess what? Arale proved it herself
Arale takes a Picture of the people reading her manga and they flat out display that from their perspective..... Dr. Slump, it's world and all of it's characters exist in a Book as Literal Fiction. Clearly there ARE people beyond Dr. Slump's world who oversees the entire verse on fictional pieces of mediums. Whether it's a Book, a Page or an Animation Strip. In all cases there are people outside of those mediums that contain the Dr. Slump world and oversee it as Fiction and Treat it as Fiction as well.

Wait a sec......
I haven't addressed the Toriyama house argument then have I?

So Toriyama lives in Dr. Slump with Dr. Slump characters and he lives all by himself? Correction.... His Avatar's do but he does not. You see this House right here, THAT is where Toriyama lives and he lives the Guy you see in the Manga Panel. That house, that location exists NO WHERE in Dr. Slump as a whole. Wait that could have JUST been a one time occurrence and not where he actually lives.....

Need more Proof?
OH LOOK, the same house appears again and both Toriyama and this guy are living there. How interesting that the location for Toriyama's house in Dr. Slump World is completely Different here PLUS he has a roommate. But Nahhhhhh.................. to images prove nth

Need even more Proof?
Well blow me down, Toriyama and his room mate once again share a house that not what is present in the World of Dr. Slump........ Oh but nahhhhhhhh that just a triple coincidence

Need even far more Proof?
And the LORD has sounded the trumpets. So ummm yeah. Like I said, the Wiki is unreliable and I have justly proven why. While it is TRUE that one of Toriyama's many avatar's live in the location that was specified in the OP. That's just the 3-D Avatars. The True Toriyama on the other hand lives in a location that you will never see appear once in Dr. Slump world with a character that again doesn't appear in Dr. Slump World. You can even check the OP's scan to see that the house in the OP is not the same as the House shown here. And the Character shown in the OP scan has no showings in the OP's scans either.

Now on to ANOTHER crucial point. Where is R>F here?
Why not take a look at THIS
Both Toriyama and his Room Mate identify Arale as a TV Character. She's Fictional to them. Toriyama even identifies that Arale had an original draft which he then later on changed.

Need more proof that Arale is a fictional character in comparison to the Authors?
Explain this? It seems like Arale, the characters and world of Dr. Slump is a fictional Television series in comparison to other people. Maybe that isn't meant to be taken seriously........ wait what's THIS? Arale's Voice Actress has presence in the Author World? Hmmmmmm Maybe she appears in Dr. World at some point..... But wait a minute? Why would Arale HAVE a voice actress and why would arale need someone else to be the reason she is filled with Life is the Author Avatars are Just as Real as they are? Again it comes right back to the Fact that they are Fictional Characters and are Fictional to the Author Avatars.

Need more and more proof
This Girl, is there a manga chapter in existence when this girl met Senbei? Does Senbei know her? I'll save you the trouble.... NO he does not. This Girl has never met Senbei nor any other Dr. Slump character in anyway before? So umm? How does she know him? Because Sembei is a apart of a fictional series that is read and watch by people of the Author World. Need proof of this? Well ask this Guy. That guy named, Akira Toriyama says himself that the Dr. Slump is a Work of Fiction. Need more proof well LOOK HERE. The Ultra Man in Dr. Slump is someone who he acknowledges as a Fictional TV character from a Fictional TV series that he himself is not apart of. Speaking of which......Guess what, Toriyama straight up says he never appears in any manga. Now why is that? Why is the character that appeared in Dr. Slump manga saying he never appears in Manga. Well as I previously explained, Like the World and its Characters, all the Simultaneously living and existing Akira Toriyama's are nth more than drawings, works of fiction like any other character in Dr. Slump. All of which is created by the True Toriyama outside it. This point is driven ALL the home with Toriyama's Documentary detailing the events of his life. The CLEAR AS DAY states that this is a work of NON-FICTION and any resemblance to actual people and events ARE intentional. The Toriyama Document's story cover's characters and events that are 100% DEEMED BY TORIYAMA HIMSELF A WORK OF NON-FICTION. The Characters and World of Dr. Slump has been repeated over and over, time and time again to be a work of COMPLETE FICTION. But compared to Toriyama and those of the Author World, they are confirmed NOT FICTIONAL in any regard. It's also a plus that ALL of them are regarded as Non-Fictional Characters and Dr. Slump character's has NOT been seen interacting with these NON-Fictional characters in any way. And just to hit the nail on the head. Have This. An image meant to symbolize the perspective difference between him and Dr. Slump that actually appears in the Manga which BTW he does numerous times. Clearly highlighting the difference between himself and Dr. Slump characters.

Oh and Btw, for those who are skeptical of Avatars drawing themselves into Fiction. Well guess what Look at that. I guess Avatars drawing themselves into fiction is NOT so uncommon anymore. And for those curious as to who that might be? Well, it is yet ANOTHER Avatar of Akira Toriyama. And to make my point just a tiny bit stronger HERE is an image of Toriyama overviewing a world deemed fictional to himself

Conclusion?
I believe I have provided significant amount of explanation and evidence to show that:

1. The residence that Toriyama has in Dr. Slump belongs to one of many of his 3-D Avatars
2. Their are multiple Akira Toriyama's running around and all of which are equally the Author
3. There are MULTIPLE pieces of evidence to state that Dr. Slumps reality exists on fictional mediums and their are people who exists outside it scope and observed and manipulate it in a variety of ways
4. True Toriyama and all characters are the Author World are clearly not fiction as established while Dr. Slump characters are
5. Avatar's can clearly draw a fictionalized version of themselves into worlds they deem fictional to themselves.
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ngl this kinda answered my doubts but I wanted to hear your response before I agreed to the op

but I definitely disagree with the op now
 
Allow me to respond, please everyone.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
I don't have the best knowledge on Reality-Fiction policies, so I'm going to wait for those more expertised on those fields come. But I did here a lot of complaints about Arale having Low 1-C hax in general and in turn scale to Beerus and the others. I am not a big fan of people attempting U-turns too fast, but so be it.
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I brought up objections in the Beerus thread and was told to make a new thread so I did. I would have liked to do it there, but I couldn't.
 
Ss3micah said:
I can only assume that is the case otherwise you would not have missed the point that Toriyama interacts with the Dr. Slump world and characters through AVATARS? There are so many examples I cant begin to point out but on MULTPLE occasions it's been established that Toriyama is not a Singular Entity in Dr. Slump but they are AVATARS of the True Akira Toriyama.
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Yet, on Arale's page they are using interactions with these avatars for proof. So if the avatars aren't transcendent, then they can't be use to support anything for Low 1-C for Arale.

And this basically just wins my argument. These avatars are characters in the story and therfore not transcendent, meaning that Arale scaling to them wouldn't give her or them, Low 1-C. Arale's Low 1-C comes from these characters.

But out of respect I will respond to everything else you wrote:

Ss3micah said:
Need Proof?
HERE, we clearly see Akira Toriyama and Akira Toriyama in the same panel??? Wait what? There are Two Authors named Akira Toriyama in Dr. Slump? Do both of them live in the same house? Nahhhhhhhhhh...............must just be a coincidence.......
WAIT, what's this? It happened again? But how? How can two beings who are Akira Toriyama exist within the same story at the same exact Time (with no time travel shenanigans)
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Fiction. Especially in a gag filled work like this. Anything can happen.

Ss3micah said:
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I'd like Point your attention to Exhibit A and B. What do you in both exhibits? Akira Toriyama? Yes your correct. Multiple entities identify themselves as Akira Toriyama in across Dr. Slump and they all exist at the same time. So now my question becomes..... which one of them is the Author and which one of them writes the world of Dr. Slump. "A" seems to think it's him and "B" seems to be the one who likes doing it. Maybe it's both A and B? Maybe their are 2 Akira Toriyama's that exist at the same time and both of them write Dr. Slump together? Wait a minute hold the phone? Is that Exhibit C who exists at the same time as Exhibit B and claims to be the Author as well? So now we got three people who all exists at the same time within the same setting and all of them are equally Akira Toriyama and the Author and Dr. Slump now has three authors.......Fantastic. But what a sec? How does this work? How do you three beings all named Akira Toriyama all being the Author's all at the same time? Well here is my answer...... there all Avatars drawn into the world of Dr. Slump like any other character.
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What's your point? This is obvious.

Ss3micah said:
Need Proof?
Alright observe THIS
What is it that you see? The author no doubt from outside of the Dr. Slump Reality drawing over all of it as the Reality of Dr. Slump was a Page? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............probably just a coincidence.
WAIT, what's this? Someone treated the entire Dr. Slump reality as residing on a Page?
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Ss3micah said:
But hold up I have Question?
  • If the Author and the Dr. Slump world as on the SAME way length then why didn't his massive arm come into contact with anything from the World?
  • Why didn't his paint brush just phase through the sky instead of actually affecting the sky?
  • Why does it seem like he has an "outside perspective" on things and treats the Reality of Dr. Slump as Drawings?
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Ss3micah said:
The answer is plain and obvious. From both scans above it doesn't take a genius to know that the Author clearly exists outside of the confines of reality and treats the entire reality in its entirely as Drawings on a Page. The World, Everything and Everyone is a Drawing as made clear Time and Time. To this Author who exists outside the confines of the Page and can manipulate and can draw the world into existence. But mehhhhh that's just two cases?
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Sorry, but this argument doesn't fly. Look here:



The author avatar can do the big hands thing and change and edit the world. You haven't proven, another transcendent layer exists.



The toribot drawing the scenes

The author avatars who exist in world can paint and draw the world too.

Ss3micah said:
Want more proof?
Observe THIS
The Fim reel in which the Entire Dr. Slump reality.... with all it's characters was damaged and SOMEONE from outside of the Dr. Slump reality, who treats the entire reality as a Film Reel and the Reality from his perspective can be fixed with DUCK TAPE. DUCK TAPE sticking Reality back together? This person OUTSIDE the Dr. Slump Reality observing all of it as a Literal Film Reel? If it ain't obvious by now? Their are Authors who you can't deny, living and existing outside of Dr. Slump that sees all of Dr. Slump in it's entirety and it's reality as Fiction.
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Same thing as above. Characters within the story can affect, draw, and manipulate the pages of the story. There is not enough evidence to state that this repair was done by in-story character or an an out-of-story character.

And if it was done by an out-of-story character, you haven't proven the transcendence of that out-of-story-character, NOR have you proven that Arale scales to that out-of-story character.

**another argument for this below

Ss3micah said:
WANT EVEN MORE PROOF?
Guess what? Arale proved it herself
Arale takes a Picture of the people reading her manga and they flat out display that from their perspective..... Dr. Slump, it's world and all of it's characters exist in a Book as Literal Fiction. Clearly there ARE people beyond Dr. Slump's world who oversees the entire verse on fictional pieces of mediums. Whether it's a Book, a Page or an Animation Strip. In all cases there are people outside of those mediums that contain the Dr. Slump world and oversee it as Fiction and Treat it as Fiction as well.
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4th wall breaks, aka acknowledging the existence of an audience is not enough evidence of Reality-Fiction Transcendence.


Ss3micah said:
So Toriyama lives in Dr. Slump with Dr. Slump characters and he lives all by himself? Correction.... His Avatar's do but he does not. You see this House right here, THAT is where Toriyama lives and he lives the Guy you see in the Manga Panel. That house, that location exists NO WHERE in Dr. Slump as a whole. Wait that could have JUST been a one time occurrence and not where he actually lives.....

Need more Proof?
OH LOOK, the same house appears again and both Toriyama and this guy are living there. How interesting that the location for Toriyama's house in Dr. Slump World is completely Different here PLUS he has a roommate. But Nahhhhhh.................. to images prove nth

Need even more Proof?
Well blow me down, Toriyama and his room mate once again share a house that not what is present in the World of Dr. Slump........ Oh but nahhhhhhhh that just a triple coincidence

Need even far more Proof?
And the LORD has sounded the trumpets. So ummm yeah. Like I said, the Wiki is unreliable and I have justly proven why. While it is TRUE that one of Toriyama's many avatar's live in the location that was specified in the OP. That's just the 3-D Avatars. The True Toriyama on the other hand lives in a location that you will never see appear once in Dr. Slump world with a character that again doesn't appear in Dr. Slump World. You can even check the OP's scan to see that the house in the OP is not the same as the House shown here. And the Character shown in the OP scan has no showings in the OP's scans either.
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Ss3micah said:
Need more and more proof
This Girl, is there a manga chapter in existence when this girl met Senbei? Does Senbei know her? I'll save you the trouble.... NO he does not. This Girl has never met Senbei nor any other Dr. Slump character in anyway before? So umm? How does she know him? Because Sembei is a apart of a fictional series that is read and watch by people of the Author World. Need proof of this? Well ask this Guy. That guy named, Akira Toriyama says himself that the Dr. Slump is a Work of Fiction. Need more proof well LOOK HERE. The Ultra Man in Dr. Slump is someone who he acknowledges as a Fictional TV character from a Fictional TV series that he himself is not apart of. Speaking of which......Guess what, Toriyama straight up says he never appears in any manga. Now why is that? Why is the character that appeared in Dr. Slump manga saying he never appears in Manga. Well as I previously explained, Like the World and its Characters, all the Simultaneously living and existing Akira Toriyama's are nth more than drawings, works of fiction like any other character in Dr. Slump. All of which is created by the True Toriyama outside it. This point is driven ALL the home with Toriyama's Documentary detailing the events of his life. The CLEAR AS DAY states that this is a work of NON-FICTION and any resemblance to actual people and events ARE intentional. The Toriyama Document's story cover's characters and events that are 100% DEEMED BY TORIYAMA HIMSELF A WORK OF NON-FICTION. The Characters and World of Dr. Slump has been repeated over and over, time and time again to be a work of COMPLETE FICTION. But compared to Toriyama and those of the Author World, they are confirmed NOT FICTIONAL in any regard. It's also a plus that ALL of them are regarded as Non-Fictional Characters and Dr. Slump character's has NOT been seen interacting with these NON-Fictional characters in any way. And just to hit the nail on the head. Have This. An image meant to symbolize the perspective difference between him and Dr. Slump that actually appears in the Manga which BTW he does numerous times. Clearly highlighting the difference between himself and Dr. Slump characters.
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Before I can give a proper response, I need you to give me the chapter these pages are from. Because from my perspective, they seem to be author notes to the audience, and not apart of the actual story. I will know once I see the chapters for myself.

**this author avatar that seems to exist in a higher layer has robotic clamps for hands, and therefore is not the character that fixes the story when it is shown as a ripped film, nor is the person shown in the 4th wall break joke.


Ss3micah said:
Conclusion?
I believe I have provided significant amount of explanation and evidence to show that:

1. The residence that Toriyama has in Dr. Slump belongs to one of many of his 3-D Avatars
2. Their are multiple Akira Toriyama's running around and all of which are equally the Author
3. There are MULTIPLE pieces of evidence to state that Dr. Slumps reality exists on fictional mediums and their are people who exists outside it scope and observed and manipulate it in a variety of ways
4. True Toriyama and all characters are the Author World are clearly not fiction as established while Dr. Slump characters are
5. Avatar's can clearly draw a fictionalized version of themselves into worlds they deem fictional to themselves.
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In conclusion, you haven't done anything to disprove me. This thread was specifically about how on Arale's current profile, she gets Low 1-C for scaling to the abilities shown of Toribot. Toribot is a character within the story, and isn't transcendent in anyway and you yourself have stated that he's just another character drawn by the author.

You may or may not have proven the existence of another higher level author avatar (I will confirm once you have given me the sources for those scans), but you haven't proven that alleged author avatar is transcendent, and haven't proven that Arale scales to him.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Yet, on Arale's page they are using interactions with these avatars for proof. So if the avatars aren't transcendent, then they can't be use to support anything for Low 1-C for Arale.
And this basically just wins my argument. These avatars are characters in the story and therfore not transcendent, meaning that Arale scaling to them wouldn't give her or them, Low 1-C. Arale's Low 1-C comes from these characters.
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Your not getting it it. There are two sets of avatar's at work here. There are the 3-D Avatars and the 5-D Avatars. The 5-D Avatars and worlds are NON-Fictional and are meant to by representations of the IRL Creators, Editors and Staff behind Dr. Slump hence why you see them. As Toriyama points out, they are not fictional, they have shown too many times perceive Arale and Co. as fictional and no fictional character interacts with them. The Toriyama avatars present in the Dr. Slump world is a fictional insert of the Non-Fictional Toriyama.

You claim that their in the story?
Where?
I have seen you produce no scans that show the characters actively engaging with anyone other character except Toriyama's 3-D Avatars. And way to go ignoring all the scans I showed of characters clearly existing OUTSIDE the Dr. Slump fiction. Of course you wouldn't address that
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Fiction. Especially in a gag filled work like this. Anything can happen.
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This is a BAD rebuttal. Slapping on..... It's fiction and it can work like that is not a proper debunk. Thats an argument to toss smth you cant explain under the rug and hope it stays there. I dont see numerous author avatars for Looney Toons, Mickey Mouse, Animaniacs and Tom and Jerry running around so clearly....... muh fiction is an inapplicable debunk. There are multiple avatars running around and I have provided a decent reason as to why, because as the lore entails everything thing in the pages of Dr. Slump is a drawing. I also provided context and proof that Author Avatars can install themselves into works of fiction. Your excuse for all this is "muh fiction and gags". Not a Debunk sir
Iamunanimousinthat said:
What's your point? This is obvious.
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That all the Toriyama's seen here are Drawings. Self inserts by the NON-FICTIONAL Toriyama as tori makes clear in his story of non-fiction, Dr. Slump characters dont exist there and are fictional drawings. He clearly states that the Non-Fictional Stories personally refer to him which is why you dont see Dr. Slump characters there and why Dr. Slump characters will never encounter them in their world. Want proof? Toriyama's SISTER is a NON-Fictional character that exists in the NON-Fictional stories with all the Non-Fictional Characters. There is no character in Dr. Slump that ever encounters Toriyama's sister. Why? Because they are fictional characters existing in a fictional world. The same world btw Tori's sister asks if he's writing. If Toriyama's Sister and the Dr. Slump characters exists on the same wave length then again show my proof of them interacting with her.
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Sorry, but this argument doesn't fly. Look here:



The author avatar can do the big hands thing and change and edit the world. You haven't proven, another transcendent layer exists.
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Interesting. So your claiming that Big Arms that are apart of the World and and clearly shown to be outside existing outside itself general from work.
Also nice..... Thanks for showing what an avatar can do.

Again the Non-Fictional Stories exists. Its the stories of Toriyama and meant to be a perfect showing casing him, the editors, the staff and people like you and me in fictional form. The Doctor slump characters have NO SHOWINGS nor APPEARANCES of any kind in this world because it is strictly for real people and real events. They make that vividly clear. Thats why in those Documents Arale ONLY exists as a Drawing on a Page because that is what she is. I made sure when making the upgrade thread to clearly use those scans because those scans reflect the most true events not populated or smothered by gags and fiction. If you can show me ONE Dr. Slump character that appears in the non fictional stories then I shall concede.
Iamunanimousinthat said:


The toribot drawing the scenes

The author avatars who exist in world can paint and draw the world too.
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And then there is still the fact that you have yet to disprove teh point of Toriyama and his room mate and others in the non-fictional stories relating and addressing the characters shown as fictional characters. If everyone exists on the same wave length then why have we not seen Dr. Slump characters making contact with Toriyama's room mate? We do we not see any interaction with Toriyama's staff or editors. We keep trying to blend the fictional and non-fictional stories together. Again Avatars can write there own self inserts into the manga if they so chose to do so as one clearly showed doing.
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Same thing as above. Characters within the story can affect, draw, and manipulate the pages of the story. There is not enough evidence to state that this repair was done by in-story character or an an out-of-story character.
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So wait if its a character in the story...... in th fictional story of Dr. Slump...... which character is it? Which character from the fictional story of Dr. Slump was already outside the boundaries of the animation that contains reality?
Iamunanimousinthat said:
And if it was done by an out-of-story character, you haven't proven the transcendence of that out-of-story-character, NOR have you proven that Arale scales to that out-of-story character.
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The scaling I can prove later, for now I am trying to understand something here. The entire dr slump reality exists on that Film Reel (unless YOU wanna say without proof of your own they exist past the film reel) which is a narrative instrument used to contain fiction. This guy is outside it and able to manipulate it in any way shape and form but somehow you think he's still bound to it despite clearly not being bound to it? And what else? I guess Toriyama and his roommate calling Arale a TV character and multiple characters acknowledging the same thing counts for nothing then
Iamunanimousinthat said:
4th wall breaks, aka acknowledging the existence of an audience is not enough evidence of Reality-Fiction Transcendence.
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Once again, you completely ignore the Non-Fictional Stories
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Before I can give a proper response, I need you to give me the chapter these pages are from. Because from my perspective, they seem to be author notes to the audience, and not apart of the actual story. I will know once I see the chapters for myself.
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How did you deduce these as Author Notes? They are special segments that Toriyama dedicates to the explaining of the Non-Fictional state of himself, his life, those who he interacts with, the truth behind the Dr. Slump Manga and the lives of both himself and the Author Avatars. Again these are the scans that prove that Toriyama and the Author Avatars are not existing in a state of fiction AS HE STATES and he clearly makes it clear that any correlation to real life characters and events is literal.
Iamunanimousinthat said:
In conclusion, you haven't done anything to disprove me.
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Yeahh, cause you ignored all the Non-Fiction story material. You ignored Toriyama and his Room mate calling Arale a TV character. You ignored Tori calling other Dr. Slump characters TV characters. You ignored the fact Author Avatars can scripted themselves to be in fictional worlds. You ignored the fact that chaaracters clearly exist beyond the confines of the story claiming their part of the story and god alone knows you cant even identify who in the story it is, which fictional character resides OUTSIDE the medium the fiction is being animated on. You've also ignored that Tori himself states he cant be in any manga and also ignored the fact that Tori can oversee worlds and classify them as fictional
Iamunanimousinthat said:
This thread was specifically about how on Arale's current profile, she gets Low 1-C for scaling to the abilities shown of Toribot. Toribot is a character within the story, and isn't transcendent in anyway and you yourself have stated that he's just another character drawn by the author.
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Yeah, he's a 3-D self insert of 5-D Tori. The same 5-D Tori that proclaims he can never appear in manga and considers Arale as a TV character not a character that she can interact with as Tori states from the Non-Fiction Stories, he is real and arale is literally a character from a dumb manga
Iamunanimousinthat said:
You may or may not have proven the existence of another higher level author avatar (I will confirm once you have given me the sources for those scans), but you haven't proven that alleged author avatar is transcendent, and haven't proven that Arale scales to him.
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You haven't disproved half my points and the reason why the True Toriyama is transcendent is because as he establishes NUMEROUS TIMES, he is none fictional why Arale is a Fictiona Character from a fictional manga and all the characters considered non-fictional knows everything about those considered fictional and regards them as fictional while Arale and co never interacts with these characters ever because guess what? There fictional.

To further prove True Toriyama's own point here take a Look at this
Here
Toriyama literally draws the entire Dr. Slump cast.... Now before you go an say this PROVES YOUR POINT. Watch This and This
Toriyama drew 2 stories. I where all the characters had the same sizes and one where all the characters had different sizes. Toriyama can draw any variation of the same story he wants because their all fiction to him. Also notice how IN THE PANELS in mentioned "Dr. Slump" when only including the Dr. Slump characters and these characters couldn't interact with him at all? Well simply because They were all drawings, they clearly had no presence in the actual world and we know this because by time the end of the chapter THIS happens. The Room mate is creating his own Manga on.......... PAPER!!!. Plus as you can clearly see in those scans.... Tori literally acknowledges the fact that both he can his room mate are the same height. Why didn't Tori just draw him down to size? Simple because he's as real as Tori while the other Dr. Slump characters as all Fictional as both of them made clear HERE

And guess what.... as expected. Tori never appear in the drawings he just made because as he makes clear he can't appear in manga's. It's literally shown and proven Here and in the previous scan that what these two are trying to do are create manga stories. Unless what YOU wanna tell me is that the companion will ALSO be an author inside his own story that he is creating and Tori will be another character inside the story that the companion is creating. And that Arale will encounter this character being created by the companion which BTW never happens. Also DON'T LOOK NOW, but here is Tori and his companion existing outside the framework of another story. But NOPE according to you there apart of it because they wrote is so they must be in it even if they themselves state thats not the case.
 
Ss3micah said:
Your not getting it it. There are two sets of avatar's at work here. There are the 3-D Avatars and the 5-D Avatars. The 5-D Avatars and worlds are NON-Fictional and are meant to by representations of the IRL Creators, Editors and Staff behind Dr. Slump hence why you see them. As Toriyama points out, they are not fictional, they have shown too many times perceive Arale and Co. as fictional and no fictional character interacts with them. The Toriyama avatars present in the Dr. Slump world is a fictional insert of the Non-Fictional Toriyama.
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Arale's profile has her being Low 1-C by scaling her to the authors you are claiming to be 3D. This cannot be anymore cut and dry.
 
Ss3micah said:
BU
evet bencede yok.....
Misilleme Zamanı......

Şimdi
Son konuyu iyi okumamış olabilir misin?
Sadece durumun bu olduğunu varsayabilirim, aksi takdirde Toriyama'nın Dr. Slump dünyasıyla ve karakterlerle AVATARLAR aracılığıyla etkileşime girdiği noktayı kaçırmazdınız? İşaret etmeye başlayamayacağım pek çok örnek var ama ÇOKLU durumlarda Toriyama'nın Dr. Slump'ta Tekil Bir Varlık olmadığı, ancak bunların Gerçek Akira Toriyama'nın AVATARS'ı olduğu tespit edildi.

Kanıta mı ihtiyacınız var?
BURADA Akira Toriyama ve Akira Toriyama'yı aynı panelde açıkça görüyoruz??? Bir dakika ne? Dr. Slump'ta Akira Toriyama adında İki Yazar mı var? İkisi aynı evde mi yaşıyor? Nahhhhhhhhhh………… sadece bir tesadüf olmalı……
BEKLE , bu nedir? Yine oldu? Ama nasıl? Akira Toriyama olan iki varlık nasıl aynı hikayede aynı zamanda var olabilir (zamanda yolculuk saçmalıkları olmadan)

Basit, çünkü ikisi de eşit derecede sadece her iki Avatar da, biraz sonra kanıtlayacağım True Toriyama tarafından Dr. Slump'ın dünyasına çekiliyor.

Jürinin Hanımefendileri ve Beyefendileri, Dikkatinizi Ek A ve B'ye çekmek istiyorum . Her iki sergide de ne görüyorsunuz? Akira Toriyama mı? evet doğru Birden fazla varlık, Dr. Slump'ta kendilerini Akira Toriyama olarak tanımlar ve hepsi aynı anda var olur. Şimdi benim sorum şu oluyor..... bunlardan hangisi Yazar ve hangisi Dr. Slump'ın dünyasını yazıyor? "A" onun olduğunu düşünüyor ve "B" bunu yapmayı seven kişi gibi görünüyor . Belki hem A hem de B'dir? Belki de aynı anda var olan 2 Akira Toriyama'dır ve ikisi birlikte Dr. Slump yazıyordur? Bekle bir dakika telefon? Sergi B ile aynı zamanda var olan Sergi C mi?ve aynı zamanda Yazar olduğunu iddia ediyor mu? Yani şimdi aynı ortamda aynı anda var olan üç kişi var ve hepsi eşit derecede Akira Toriyama ve Yazar ve Dr. Slump'ın artık üç yazarı var.......Fantastik. Ama bir saniye? Bu nasıl çalışıyor? Hepsi aynı anda Yazara ait olan Akira Toriyama adlı üç varlığa nasıl sahip olabiliyorsunuz? İşte cevabım...... Dr. Slump'ın dünyasına başka herhangi bir karakter gibi çekilen tüm Avatarlar var.

Kanıta mı ihtiyacınız var?
tamam buna dikkat et
Gördüğün nedir? Dr. Slump Gerçekliği bir Sayfa mıydı? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............muhtemelen sadece bir tesadüf.
BEKLE , bu nedir? Birisi Dr. Slump gerçekliğinin tamamını bir Sayfada yaşıyormuş gibi mi ele aldı?

Ama bekle Sorum var?
  • Yazar ve Dr. Slump dünyası AYNI yol uzunluğundaysa, o zaman neden devasa kolu Dünya'dan herhangi bir şeyle temas etmedi?
  • Boya fırçası gökyüzünü etkilemek yerine neden gökyüzünde ilerlemedi?
  • Neden olaylara "dış bir bakış açısına" sahip gibi görünüyor ve Dr. Slump'ın Gerçekliğini Çizimler olarak ele alıyor?

Cevap açık ve net. Yukarıdaki her iki taramadan da Yazarın açıkça gerçekliğin sınırlarının dışında var olduğunu ve tüm gerçekliği tamamen Sayfadaki Çizimler olarak ele aldığını bilmek için dahi olmak gerekmez. Dünya, Her Şey ve Herkes, Zaman ve Zaman'ın açıkça ortaya koyduğu gibi bir Çizimdir . Sayfanın sınırları dışında var olan ve manipüle edebilen ve dünyayı varlığa çekebilen bu Yazara. Ama mehhhhh bu sadece iki vaka mı?

Daha fazla kanıt ister misin?
BUNU gözlemleyin
Tüm Dr. Slump gerçekliğinin... tüm karakterleriyle birlikte hasar gördüğü ve Dr. Slump gerçekliğinin dışından, tüm gerçekliğe bir Film Makarası ve Gerçekliğin kendi bakış açısından bakan BİRİSİnin düzeltilebileceği Fim makarası ÖRDEK BANT ile. ÖRDEK BANT Gerçekliği tekrar bir araya mı getiriyor? Dr. Slump Reality'nin DIŞINDAKİ bu kişi, her şeyi bir Literal Film Makarası olarak mı gözlemliyor? Şimdiye kadar açık değilse? Slump'ın tamamını bir bütün olarak gören ve Kurgu olarak gerçek olan Dr. Slump'ın dışında yaşayan ve var olan, inkar edemeyeceğiniz Yazarlardır.


DAHA FAZLA KANIT İSTER MİSİNİZ?
Bil bakalım ne oldu? Arale kendini kanıtladı
Arale, mangasını okuyan insanların bir resmini çeker ve onlar da bunu kendi bakış açılarından sergilerler..... Dr. Slump, bu dünya ve tüm karakterleri bir Kitapta Edebi Kurgu olarak var. Açıkçası, Dr. Slump'ın dünyasının ötesinde, tüm ayeti kurgusal ortam parçalarında denetleyen insanlar var. İster Kitap, Sayfa veya Animasyon Şeridi olsun. Her durumda, Dr. Slump dünyasını içeren ve onu Kurgu olarak denetleyen ve Kurgu olarak Davranan ortamların dışında insanlar vardır.

Bir saniye bekle......
Toriyama evi tartışmasına değinmedim, değil mi?

Yani Toriyama, Dr. Slump'ta Dr. Slump karakterleriyle yaşıyor ve tek başına mı yaşıyor? Düzeltme.... Avatarı yapıyor ama o yapmıyor. Bu Evi tam burada görüyorsunuz , Toriyama'nın yaşadığı yer orası ve Manga Panelinde gördüğünüz Adam'ı yaşıyor. O ev, o konum bir bütün olarak Dr. Slump'ta HİÇBİR YERDE mevcut değil. Bekle, bu SADECE tek seferlik bir olay olabilirdi ve gerçekte yaşadığı yer değil .....

Daha fazla Kanıta mı ihtiyacınız var?
OH BAK , aynı ev tekrar ortaya çıkıyor ve hem Toriyama hem de bu adam orada yaşıyor. Toriyama'nın Dr. Slump World'deki evinin burada tamamen farklı olması ve ayrıca bir oda arkadaşı olması ne kadar ilginç. Ama Nahhhhhh.................. görüntülere göre n. kanıtlıyor

Daha fazla Kanıta mı ihtiyacınız var?
Beni yere ser, Toriyama ve oda arkadaşı bir kez daha Dr. Slump'ın Dünyasında olmayan bir evi paylaşıyor........ Oh ama nahhhhhhhh bu sadece üçlü bir tesadüf

Çok daha fazla Kanıta mı ihtiyacınız var?
Ve RAB borazanları çaldı . Yani ummm evet. Dediğim gibi, Wiki güvenilmez ve nedenini haklı olarak kanıtladım. Toriyama'nın birçok avatarından birinin OP'de belirtilen yerde yaşadığı DOĞRU olsa da. Bu sadece 3 boyutlu Avatarlar. Öte yandan Gerçek Toriyama, Dr. Slump dünyasında bir daha asla görünmeyeceğiniz bir yerde, Dr. Slump World'de bir daha görünmeyen bir karakterle yaşıyor. OP'deki evin burada gösterilen House ile aynı olmadığını görmek için OP'nin taramasını bile kontrol edebilirsiniz. OP taramasında gösterilen Karakterin de OP taramalarında hiçbir gösterimi yoktur.

Şimdi BAŞKA bir can alıcı noktaya geçelim. Burada R>F nerede?
Neden BUNA bir göz atmıyorsunuz ?
Hem Toriyama hem de Oda Arkadaşı, Arale'yi bir TV Karakteri olarak tanımlar. Onlar için Kurgusal. Toriyama, Arale'nin daha sonra değiştirdiği orijinal bir taslağa sahip olduğunu bile tespit eder.

Yazarlara kıyasla Arale'nin kurgusal bir karakter olduğuna dair daha fazla kanıta mı ihtiyacınız var?
Bunu açıkla? Görünüşe göre Arale, Dr. Slump'ın karakterleri ve dünyası, diğer insanlara kıyasla kurgusal bir Televizyon dizisidir. Belki de bu ciddiye alınacak bir şey değil…… bekleyin BU NEDİR? Arale'nin Ses Kadın Oyuncusu Yazarlar Dünyasında Var mı? Hmmmmmm Belki bir noktada Dr. World'de görünür..... Ama bir dakika? Arale neden bir seslendirme sanatçısına sahip olsun ve Life is the Author ile dolu olmasının nedeni neden başka birine ihtiyaç duysun? Avatarlar da oldukları kadar gerçektir? Yine Kurgusal Karakterler oldukları ve Yazar Avatarları için Kurgusal oldukları Gerçeğine geri dönüyoruz.

Daha fazla kanıta ihtiyaç var
Bu Kız , bu kız Senbei ile tanıştığında var olan bir manga bölümü var mı? Senbei onu tanıyor mu? Seni zahmetten kurtaracağım.... HAYIR yapmaz. Bu Kız daha önce ne Senbei ne de başka bir Dr. Slump karakteriyle hiç tanışmadı mı? Yani ımm? Onu nasıl tanıyor? Çünkü Sembei, Yazarlar Dünyası insanları tarafından okunan ve izlenen kurgusal bir dizinin ayrı bir parçasıdır. Bunun kanıtına mı ihtiyacınız var? Peki bu adama sorun . Akira Toriyama adlı adam, Dr. Slump'ın bir Kurgu Eseri olduğunu kendisi söylüyor. Daha fazla kanıta ihtiyacınız var BURAYA BAKIN . Dr. Slump'taki Ultra Adam, kendisinin de ayrı olmadığı bir Kurgusal TV dizisindeki Kurgusal bir TV karakteri olarak kabul ettiği kişidir. Hangisinden bahsetmişken...... Bil bakalım ne oldu, Toriyama doğrudan hiçbir mangada görünmediğini söylüyor. Şimdi bu neden? Slump mangasında görünen karakter neden Manga'da hiç görünmediğini söylüyor? Daha önce açıkladığım gibi, Dünya ve Karakterleri gibi, Aynı Anda yaşayan ve var olan tüm Akira Toriyama'lar, Dr. Slump'taki diğer karakterler gibi çizimden, kurgudan çok daha fazlasıdır. Bunların hepsi onun dışındaki Gerçek Toriyama tarafından yaratılmıştır. Bu nokta, Toriyama'nın hayatındaki olayları detaylandıran Belgeseliyle TÜM eve götürülüyor. CLEAR AS DAY, bunun bir KURGU OLMAYAN bir çalışma olduğunu ve gerçek insanlara ve olaylara herhangi bir benzerliğin kasıtlı olduğunu belirtir. Toriyama Belgesi'nin hikaye kapağının karakterleri ve olayları%100 TORIYAMA TARAFINDAN KURGU DIŞI BİR ÇALIŞMA OLARAK KABUL EDİLMİŞTİR. Dr. Slump'ın Karakterleri ve Dünyası TAM BİR KURGU eseri olmak için defalarca, defalarca tekrarlandı . Ancak Toriyama ve Author World'ünkilerle karşılaştırıldığında, bunların hiçbir şekilde KURGU OLMADIĞI doğrulandı. TÜMÜNÜN Kurgusal Olmayan Karakterler olarak kabul edilmesi ve Dr. Slump karakterlerinin bu Kurgusal Olmayan karakterlerle herhangi bir şekilde etkileşime girdiğinin GÖRÜLMEMİŞ olması da bir artıdır . Ve sadece çiviyi kafasına vurmak için. Bu var _ Kendisi ve Dr. Slump arasındaki perspektif farkını simgelemeyi amaçlayan bir görüntü, BTW'de birçok kez yaptığı Manga'da aslında yer alıyor.. Kendisi ve Dr. Slump karakterleri arasındaki farkı açıkça vurguluyor.

Oh ve Btw, Avatarların kendilerini Kurguya çekmesinden şüphe duyanlar için. Şuna bak ne olduğunu tahmin et . Sanırım kendilerini kurguya çeken Avatarlar artık o kadar da nadir DEĞİL. Ve kim olabileceğini merak edenler için? Pekala , bu henüz Akira Toriyama'nın BAŞKA BİR Avatarı. Ve demek istediğimi biraz daha güçlendirmek için BURADA , Toriyama'nın kendisi için kurgusal olduğu düşünülen bir dünyayı gözden geçiren bir görüntüsü var.

Çözüm?
Aşağıdakileri göstermek için önemli miktarda açıklama ve kanıt sunduğuma inanıyorum:

1. Toriyama'nın Dr. Slump'taki konutu, Toriyama'nın birçok 3-D Avatarından birine ait.
2. Etrafta dolaşan birden fazla Akira Toriyama var ve hepsi eşit derecede Yazar
3. Dr. Slump'ın gerçekliğinin kurgusal ortamlarda var olduğunu ve bunların, kapsamı dışında var olan ve onu çeşitli şekillerde gözlemleyen ve manipüle eden insanlar olduğunu belirten ÇOKLU kanıt vardır.
4. True Toriyama ve tüm karakterler Yazar Dünyasıdır, açıkça kurgulandığı gibi kurgu değildir, Dr. Slump karakterleri ise
5. Avatarlar, kendilerinin kurgulanmış bir versiyonunu, kendilerine kurgu olarak gördükleri dünyalara açıkça çekebilirler.
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I think I totally agree with op now. Even if Toriyama has real 5D avatars, these avatars see the space in question as fictional as you said. Arale has done all of his achievements to 3D avatars that are the same size as him, in short, arale low 1C seems definitely wrong, of course, it has no feats against the 5D avatars you mentioned.
 
Ss3micah said:
THIS IS
Yeah, I think not.....
Time to Retaliate......

Now
Maybe you didn't read the last thread to well?
I can only assume that is the case otherwise you would not have missed the point that Toriyama interacts with the Dr. Slump world and characters through AVATARS? There are so many examples I cant begin to point out but on MULTPLE occasions it's been established that Toriyama is not a Singular Entity in Dr. Slump but they are AVATARS of the True Akira Toriyama.

Need Proof?
HERE, we clearly see Akira Toriyama and Akira Toriyama in the same panel??? Wait what? There are Two Authors named Akira Toriyama in Dr. Slump? Do both of them live in the same house? Nahhhhhhhhhh...............must just be a coincidence.......
WAIT, what's this? It happened again? But how? How can two beings who are Akira Toriyama exist within the same story at the same exact Time (with no time travel shenanigans)

Simple, because both of them are equally just both Avatars being drawn into the world of Dr. Slump by the True Toriyama which I'll prove in a second.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I'd like Point your attention to Exhibit A and B. What do you see in both exhibits? Akira Toriyama? Yes your correct. Multiple entities identify themselves as Akira Toriyama in across Dr. Slump and they all exist at the same time. So now my question becomes..... which one of them is the Author and which one of them writes the world of Dr. Slump. "A" seems to think it's him and "B" seems to be the one who likes doing it. Maybe it's both A and B? Maybe their are 2 Akira Toriyama's that exist at the same time and both of them write Dr. Slump together? Wait a minute hold the phone? Is that Exhibit C who exists at the same time as Exhibit B and claims to be the Author as well? So now we got three people who all exists at the same time within the same setting and all of them are equally Akira Toriyama and the Author and Dr. Slump now has three authors.......Fantastic. But what a sec? How does this work? How do you have three beings all named Akira Toriyama all being the Author's all at the same time? Well here is my answer...... there all Avatars drawn into the world of Dr. Slump like any other character.

Need Proof?
Alright observe THIS
What is it that you see? The author no doubt from outside of the Dr. Slump Reality drawing over all of it as the Reality of Dr. Slump was a Page? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............probably just a coincidence.
WAIT, what's this? Someone treated the entire Dr. Slump reality as residing on a Page?

But hold up I have Question?
  • If the Author and the Dr. Slump world as on the SAME way length then why didn't his massive arm come into contact with anything from the World?
  • Why didn't his paint brush just phase through the sky instead of actually affecting the sky?
  • Why does it seem like he has an "outside perspective" on things and treats the Reality of Dr. Slump as Drawings?

The answer is plain and obvious. From both scans above it doesn't take a genius to know that the Author clearly exists outside of the confines of reality and treats the entire reality in its entirely as Drawings on a Page. The World, Everything and Everyone is a Drawing as made clear Time and Time. To this Author who exists outside the confines of the Page and can manipulate and can draw the world into existence. But mehhhhh that's just two cases?

Want more proof?
Observe THIS
The Fim reel in which the Entire Dr. Slump reality.... with all it's characters was damaged and SOMEONE from outside of the Dr. Slump reality, who treats the entire reality as a Film Reel and the Reality from his perspective can be fixed with DUCK TAPE. DUCK TAPE sticking Reality back together? This person OUTSIDE the Dr. Slump Reality observing all of it as a Literal Film Reel? If it ain't obvious by now? Their are Authors who you can't deny, living and existing outside of Dr. Slump that sees all of Dr. Slump in it's entirety and it's reality as Fiction.


WANT EVEN MORE PROOF?
Guess what? Arale proved it herself
Arale takes a Picture of the people reading her manga and they flat out display that from their perspective..... Dr. Slump, it's world and all of it's characters exist in a Book as Literal Fiction. Clearly there ARE people beyond Dr. Slump's world who oversees the entire verse on fictional pieces of mediums. Whether it's a Book, a Page or an Animation Strip. In all cases there are people outside of those mediums that contain the Dr. Slump world and oversee it as Fiction and Treat it as Fiction as well.

Wait a sec......
I haven't addressed the Toriyama house argument then have I?

So Toriyama lives in Dr. Slump with Dr. Slump characters and he lives all by himself? Correction.... His Avatar's do but he does not. You see this House right here, THAT is where Toriyama lives and he lives the Guy you see in the Manga Panel. That house, that location exists NO WHERE in Dr. Slump as a whole. Wait that could have JUST been a one time occurrence and not where he actually lives.....

Need more Proof?
OH LOOK, the same house appears again and both Toriyama and this guy are living there. How interesting that the location for Toriyama's house in Dr. Slump World is completely Different here PLUS he has a roommate. But Nahhhhhh.................. to images prove nth

Need even more Proof?
Well blow me down, Toriyama and his room mate once again share a house that not what is present in the World of Dr. Slump........ Oh but nahhhhhhhh that just a triple coincidence

Need even far more Proof?
And the LORD has sounded the trumpets. So ummm yeah. Like I said, the Wiki is unreliable and I have justly proven why. While it is TRUE that one of Toriyama's many avatar's live in the location that was specified in the OP. That's just the 3-D Avatars. The True Toriyama on the other hand lives in a location that you will never see appear once in Dr. Slump world with a character that again doesn't appear in Dr. Slump World. You can even check the OP's scan to see that the house in the OP is not the same as the House shown here. And the Character shown in the OP scan has no showings in the OP's scans either.

Now on to ANOTHER crucial point. Where is R>F here?
Why not take a look at THIS
Both Toriyama and his Room Mate identify Arale as a TV Character. She's Fictional to them. Toriyama even identifies that Arale had an original draft which he then later on changed.

Need more proof that Arale is a fictional character in comparison to the Authors?
Explain this? It seems like Arale, the characters and world of Dr. Slump is a fictional Television series in comparison to other people. Maybe that isn't meant to be taken seriously........ wait what's THIS? Arale's Voice Actress has presence in the Author World? Hmmmmmm Maybe she appears in Dr. World at some point..... But wait a minute? Why would Arale HAVE a voice actress and why would arale need someone else to be the reason she is filled with Life is the Author Avatars are Just as Real as they are? Again it comes right back to the Fact that they are Fictional Characters and are Fictional to the Author Avatars.

Need more and more proof
This Girl, is there a manga chapter in existence when this girl met Senbei? Does Senbei know her? I'll save you the trouble.... NO he does not. This Girl has never met Senbei nor any other Dr. Slump character in anyway before? So umm? How does she know him? Because Sembei is a apart of a fictional series that is read and watch by people of the Author World. Need proof of this? Well ask this Guy. That guy named, Akira Toriyama says himself that the Dr. Slump is a Work of Fiction. Need more proof well LOOK HERE. The Ultra Man in Dr. Slump is someone who he acknowledges as a Fictional TV character from a Fictional TV series that he himself is not apart of. Speaking of which......Guess what, Toriyama straight up says he never appears in any manga. Now why is that? Why is the character that appeared in Dr. Slump manga saying he never appears in Manga. Well as I previously explained, Like the World and its Characters, all the Simultaneously living and existing Akira Toriyama's are nth more than drawings, works of fiction like any other character in Dr. Slump. All of which is created by the True Toriyama outside it. This point is driven ALL the home with Toriyama's Documentary detailing the events of his life. The CLEAR AS DAY states that this is a work of NON-FICTION and any resemblance to actual people and events ARE intentional. The Toriyama Document's story cover's characters and events that are 100% DEEMED BY TORIYAMA HIMSELF A WORK OF NON-FICTION. The Characters and World of Dr. Slump has been repeated over and over, time and time again to be a work of COMPLETE FICTION. But compared to Toriyama and those of the Author World, they are confirmed NOT FICTIONAL in any regard. It's also a plus that ALL of them are regarded as Non-Fictional Characters and Dr. Slump character's has NOT been seen interacting with these NON-Fictional characters in any way. And just to hit the nail on the head. Have This. An image meant to symbolize the perspective difference between him and Dr. Slump that actually appears in the Manga which BTW he does numerous times. Clearly highlighting the difference between himself and Dr. Slump characters.

Oh and Btw, for those who are skeptical of Avatars drawing themselves into Fiction. Well guess what Look at that. I guess Avatars drawing themselves into fiction is NOT so uncommon anymore. And for those curious as to who that might be? Well, it is yet ANOTHER Avatar of Akira Toriyama. And to make my point just a tiny bit stronger HERE is an image of Toriyama overviewing a world deemed fictional to himself

Conclusion?
I believe I have provided significant amount of explanation and evidence to show that:

1. The residence that Toriyama has in Dr. Slump belongs to one of many of his 3-D Avatars
2. Their are multiple Akira Toriyama's running around and all of which are equally the Author
3. There are MULTIPLE pieces of evidence to state that Dr. Slumps reality exists on fictional mediums and their are people who exists outside it scope and observed and manipulate it in a variety of ways
4. True Toriyama and all characters are the Author World are clearly not fiction as established while Dr. Slump characters are
5. Avatar's can clearly draw a fictionalized version of themselves into worlds they deem fictional to themselves.
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Can you type in a more annoying way? I am getting an aneurysm trying to read this. Why couldn't you have just made a simple and concise refutation instead of this shitty condescending braindamage
 
I think @Ss3micah did well to show Tori's 3D and 5D avatars. I don't know much about Level 1, so I don't know if it has enough R>f.

From what I've seen, it looks like there are two tori robots, one that appears in Dr.Slump and one that is in the 5D world.

I think he just needs to address whether Arale has prowess in using his plot hax on these 5D avatars.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Arale's profile has her being Low 1-C by scaling her to the authors you are claiming to be 3D. This cannot be anymore cut and dry.
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This CRT was created from the Beerus upgrade CRT, but... what does Arale's Low 1-C have to do with beerus? EE 5D comes from Beerus deleting Dr. Mashirito and possibly being able to erase Arale, two characters that withstood the EE of a 5D avatar (was it a 5D avatar?).

Even though it doesn't have Arale's prowess using her hax on 5D avatars, she withstood the EE of a 5D avatar (I'm guessing it's the 5D one)


If there are no Arale feats using plot hax weave in 5D avatars, I don't think it will affect EE 5D.

I mean, Beerus has resistance to Toon Force 5D because of Arale's Low 1-C hax plot, so I guess that would change.
 
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