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Let's see, I think that I removed this since Cane Corso were 10-A due to their size, but since they was downgraded..
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Cheetah
I don't think that they would've defeated by humans if they are really 10-A at all.
- Can overpower humans, although they generally do not engage humans in combat and can be defeated/overpowered by them
Only with humans.
- They are mostly shy.
If they are weak compared with other african carnivores like leopardess, is more weaker than a 10-A feline IMO.
- very weak in comparison to many other African carnivores
Anyways, I would favor a Dogo over the Cheetah since they are easily overpowered by Arabian Wolves, those that are only half the size of the cheetah.
Just downgrade them to At least 10-B, due to their size.
Chimpanzee
Anyways, they are just ~1.5 times stronger than a human, so we need to downgrade it to just At least 10-B, lower for females
Mandrill
Even with being small compared to Chimps, they are still more robust and have pretty big jaws.
At least 10-B, lower for females fits perfectly.
Orangutan
Their source is unreliable, since I find a more reliable page which says that orangutans are only ~4 times stronger than a human, so downgrade them to just Athlete level, without a +. Also, I did a calc of it here.
Also, females are weighs like 36 kg, so smaller than chimps. (10-B in this case)
Giant Anteater
I feel like they are much weaker than their claws. They only weighs 33 to 50 kg, so I see them being 10-B physically, but Anteaters have a ten-centimeter-long claws, and can scare off jaguars like in that video too. Anyways, pretty sure that the other source of anteaters killing cougars & jaguars is somewhat false or these were just females or juvenile ones. In that case I suggest something like 10-A via piercing damage too.
They are much smaller than Aardvarks, which are 10-A too & half of their length are the tail.
Meganeura
Yeah, this doesn't work. We can't give these + sign without a calc, and the joules are just for their kinetic energy.
- At least Below Average Human level+, higher via piercing damage (They were the largest insects of all time. They were carnivores, and mainly ate insects, small amphibians, and vertebrates using their long spine-covered legs to grab and hold their prey, have fought large insects like Mazothairos. Produced 27 joules at full speed.)
Even with this, they are still smol..
but they are still a big for a insect for sure D:
Also, change their profile name as "Real Life" to "Real World", like other profiles.
Mazothairos
Just scales to Meganeura, so we need to downgrade it too.
Pre-Historic Humans
- Neardenthal: They weren't that strong, and yeah, stronger than a human & comparable to athletes but not more than that. 10-A keeps fine since they can bench 500 lbs, like orangutan but we can add a 10-B key for females too. since females were much weaker and can only bench 350 lbs.
- Cro-Magnon: Well, the profile is outdated so maybe needs a deletion. More than that, they were stronger than modern humans but likely weaker than Neardenthal, not sure too.. so just 10-A & At least 10-B for females is fine too.
- Homo Erectus: They robustness is comparable of those of Neardenthal. So 10-A & At least 10-B for females is still finee..
- Homo Floresiensis: Bro is smaller than a baby
Just nuke the possibly 10-B and remove the weak justifications.
Also, we need to remove their 9-B too, just change it to 9-C since the justifications are weak.
- Homo Habilis: Likely weaker than Neardenthal due to their size. Maybe At least 10-B, lower for females due to they similarity with the chimp.
- Australopithecus: Disagree, they are much more human like than chimp like.. just take a look on this..
Much more weaker, less jaws, not to heavy. Through, I would favour the Australopithecus as just At least 10-C.
Dinofelis
The profile describes them as comparable to Jaguars, so update them to 9-C+.
Brontornis
No reason to keep the 9-B, they killed 9-B animals but it was probably attacking via they claws on the jugular vein and etc. Also, the profile seems outdated but I suggesting to keep the At least 9-C+, since the bird would probably be stronger too & due to their weight (between 350 and 400 kg).
Black Mamba
Just separate kinetic energy from actual-physical attack potency.
Knight Anole
Against, separate kinetic energy from actual-physical attack potency.
Red Kangaroo
Yeah, pretty much I was agreed with the Street level but not anymore.
I did a calc of the Red Kangaroo kick but it depends on the small displacement where the Kangaroo hits. I will do a recalc later.
If they really are 9-C in durability, they weren't would've easily killed by dingos, piercing damage or not.
Even with all of that, they aren't that impressive, multiple humans survived their kicks too, and some of the sources of their kick strength are just unreliable/false claims like the one of the orangutan.
They are still heavy, with a weight of up to 90 Kg so I'm fine with a downgrade of 10-A based on that.
Camel
With these justifications looks like they need to be upgrade to 9-B.. kinda, they are big, can survive horse kicks, etc..
Porcupine
We can also add the fact that they can easily kill/wound leopards with their quills.
Central Asian Shepherd Dog
Just redirect the page with this link.
Coyote
Apparently, they are not coywolf and that name was debunked since they have percentages of dogs & wolfs, not only wolfs, but still are more coyote than that.
Honey Badger
This will be controversial, but.. I disagree with the 9-C durability.
- They can survive leopards attacks: Yeah, no. "Honey Badgers have escaped unscathed on many occasions, but other times, once the hyena gets a bite, the badger goes down." That means that just a bite from a hyena (10-A+ to 9-C) would kill the badger. Also, usually female leopards & juveniles have hard with killing them, but adult male leopards can kill them. Through, they surviving leopards attacks are due to their back, which probably due to their toughness can resist that much of piercing damage.
- Survives a machete blow: That thing of machete is just from an old statement of 1954 and the machete still kills the badger.
- And.. And what more can I add?.. just downgrade their durability to Athlete level, like turtles and just that.
Electric Eel
They are very heavy with a weight of almost 20 kg, so we don't need to put the 10-B with electricity, just that.
Dingo
They are still so strong & robust, and since they can wound humans & kill red kangaroos just change their tier to At least 10-C for being more impressive than western coyotes.
Epicyon
Well, I don't think that this is enough but let's see. Epicyon is a bone-crushing dog, so based on their weight, the fact that they preyed and likely crushed the bones of the 1 ton animals that they hunted, I feel like we can outright remove their "at least" and give them the Street level+ rating based on the high-end of bone crushing.
Gigantophitecus blacki
I think we can finally give 9-C+ rating to them, with good arguments for sure. Since we don't know almost nothing about these apes-
First, the Gigantophitecus lived in the early-middle pleistocene, being more specifically in asia.
Now, these apes likely fighted big cats of their same size, so..
Based on this (again), Gigantophitecus foughted same-size'd big cats like Wanhsien Tiger, but they probably losed so I suggest something like "At least Street level+".
California Sea Lion
Yeah, no.. 10-A is wrong in many levels..
And finally, I suggest just the Athlete level to Street level rating for them, they are too heavy to be just 10-A.
- First - They can weigh up to 300 kg, to heavy for males to be just 10-A.
- Second - Pretty sure that they actually defend themselves from other predators.
- Third - Yeah, females aren't that much heavy too.
Here a size comparison between males & females.
Pteranodon
We can't scale their kinetic energy to their physical attack potency. I suggest a downgrade to just at least Human level due to their light size.
Thanos simonattoi
Just separate their kinetic energy from their physical attack potency. Through, I think that the Wall level still fits them due to their massive weight. (630 kg? Idk if it is a realiable source through..)
Other Problems1. Many animals like wolves, lions, tigers, leopards, etc have many sub-species, which are much smaller & weaker so we need to decide if we make separate profiles in that case of we need to make multiple keys in that profile, like the one of the bobcat one that I did. This since cause much confusion on the versus thread or others revision threads too.
2. Many profiles are outdated so we need to clean some of these & remove their scaling of kinetic energy to physical or + sign without calcs.
ConclusionCheetah: "10-B to 10-A" to "At least 10-B, lower for females"
Chimpanzee: 10-A to "At least 10-B, lower for females"
Mandrill: 10-A to "At least 10-B, lower for females"
Orangutan: 10-A+ to "10-B to 10-A"
Giant Anteater: "10-B to 10-A" to "10-B, 10-A via piercing damage"
Meganeura: At least 10-C+ to 10-C & changing their profile name
Mazothairos: At least 10-C+ to 10-C
Neardenthal: 9-C to "At least 10-B to 10-A"
Cro-Magnon: Likely 9-C to "At least 10-B to 10-A"
Homo Erectus: At least 10-A to "At least 10-B to 10-A"
Homo Floresiensis: Remove the possibly 10-B
Homo Habilis: 10-A to "At least 10-B, lower for females"
Australopithecus: 9-C to At least 10-C
Dinofelis: 9-C to 9-C+
Brontornis: Remove the possibly 9-B
Black Mamba: Removing KE from physical AP.
Knight Anole: Removing KE from physical AP.
Red Kangaroo: 9-C to 10-A
Camel: 9-C to 9-B
Porcupine: Adding more justifications
Central Asian Shepherd Dog: Adding the "Alabai" redirect
Coyote: Removing the coywolf redirect & names.
Honey Badger: Street level to Athlete level (Durability only)
Electric Eel: 10-C to 10-B
Dingo: 10-C to At least 10-C
Epicyon: 9-C to 9-C+
Gigantophitecus blacki: 9-C to 9-C+
California Sea Lion: 10-A to "10-A to 9-C"
Pteranodon: 9-C to At least 10-B
Thanos Simonattoi: Removing KE from physical AP.
That's all >~<..
What do you think about this?
