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Regarding Flashes durability
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New justifications
Post Crisis Wally;
Btw, their light speed is also ED
Also, Barry and Pandora pretty sure merged the entire multiverse and not just 3, so we probably need to change that too.
PC Barry:
PFP barry:
PFP Wally:
Post Crisis Wally;
Or
Is there another term we can use aside from ED?
Btw, their light speed is also ED
Also, Barry and Pandora pretty sure merged the entire multiverse and not just 3, so we probably need to change that too.
PC Barry:
or
PFP barry:
or
PFP Wally:
Or
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First one is probably better and more specific. Has Wally ever absorbed the entire speed force? If he hasn't done such a thing I don't think he should get it tbh.
Also if the entire multiverse was merged, wouldn't that be straight up 2-A?
First one is better like before.
Can we remove the not enhancing speed part and just list it as "Varies. 8-C, up to 5-A/ Varies. At least 9-B, up to 4-B". Seems less cluttered imo. And I thought you were going to make 2-C, posibbly Low 1-C into straight up Low 1-C?
Possibly 3-A to High 3-A should now just be Possibly High 3-A since we accept DC universes as Infinite in size.
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I will have to deal with ap upgrades elsewhere.
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Nope, but it is a possibility with how their powers works. So, I think its fine to keep it.
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Eeeeeeh, seems fine then.
These are my proposals for the Post Flashpoint guys btw:
Barry Allen:
Wally West:
Hunter Zolomon has two.
Proposal 1:
Proposal 2:
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well that upgrade should probably happen in a new thread. Because we first need to upgrade Speed Force and that needs some evidence finding.
IIrc, in Takion it was said the Speed Force, Quantum Realm, and emotional abstracts exists on the same level, which would make each of them at least 2-A.
IIrc, in Takion it was said the Speed Force, Quantum Realm, and emotional abstracts exists on the same level, which would make each of them at least 2-A.
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Huh, how did I not notice this 'till now
Ngl, both Flash profiles need some abilities additions e.g. cosmic awareness for Wally, resistance to absolute zero, afterimage creation, etc.
Yes, he has
Hunter's base form in Rebirth is with the Speed Force, Strength and Sage Force. I admit I worded it weirdly but the first part was supposed to be "normally" and the second part "up to" instead of "at least".
Ngl, both Flash profiles need some abilities additions e.g. cosmic awareness for Wally, resistance to absolute zero, afterimage creation, etc.
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That's technically not his base since he has outside amps smhsmh
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Actually, we can lump the speed of light and the absorption bit all together instead of separating them. Both are environmental destruction and would look weird otherwise.
We can just work it that "the universe destruction is possibly" in the notes section or somewhere.
We can just work it that "the universe destruction is possibly" in the notes section or somewhere.
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AP upgrades? Which ones?
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Aren't those already 2-A
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it's possibly 2-a rating instead of straight-up 2-a rating
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Also, about Anti-Monitor
Weren't the pre crisis heroes only capable of damaging anti monitor there because Wally amped them with his kinetic enerhy?
Weren't the pre crisis heroes only capable of damaging anti monitor there because Wally amped them with his kinetic enerhy?
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I don't see how that's comparable to physical AP? Also no, he just gave them more speed if anything
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Sorry for the late reply, it's been busy IRL.
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Doesn't ripping open a universe for 3-A or High 3-A depend on the size of the rip?
Unless we can say it ripped across all space, then we can't say it wasn't 3-A either.
Unless we can say it ripped across all space, then we can't say it wasn't 3-A either.
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@Confluctor
Here are my preferences from your options:
Post Crisis Wally;
PC Barry:
PFP barry:
PFP Wally:
Here are my preferences from your options:
Post Crisis Wally;
PC Barry:
PFP barry:
PFP Wally:
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Well... It is an infinite uni...
Although I have my issues with that feat, but I think that can be discussed elsewhere.
Sure.
Although I would personally put their normal self before the varied one. Since it looks a bit weird.
So basically "9-B normally. Varies with speed up to"
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Wait a little please.
The post-Crisis Flashes have environmental destruction values that contradict each other. They cannot be 3-A to High 3-A and 2-C to 2-A at the same time.
And regarding the post-Flashpoint Flashes, why would ripping open a universe by becoming a singularity be 2-C to Low 1-C?
The post-Crisis Flashes have environmental destruction values that contradict each other. They cannot be 3-A to High 3-A and 2-C to 2-A at the same time.
And regarding the post-Flashpoint Flashes, why would ripping open a universe by becoming a singularity be 2-C to Low 1-C?
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I think it could be more like supporting evidence now in some way
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Well... Ask firestorm. Which is why in my first proposal I lumped them both together as they are both ED.
....what?
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In that case, idk, this isn't a place to revise the speed force stuff. You guys are the one who accepted it in the first place. Nothing goes without you approving this anyway. So, idk
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Well, if he is strictly scaled to 2-C to Low 1-C from the Speed Force feat, the one in which Brainiac claimed that he can rip apart a universe should probably be omitted as a justification for it.
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I initially wanted to put that as a piece of supporting evidence because it's a nice piece of verse standard to have. But should just be lumped together with the tier 2 and 1 stuff
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What do you mean? How is a 3-A to High 3-A feat a justification for 2-C to Low 1-C?
It can probably be confusing for our visitors to list it in that manner.
Maybe it can be listed in a feat section instead?
It can probably be confusing for our visitors to list it in that manner.
Maybe it can be listed in a feat section instead?
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In any case, that can be removed as it's just a statement. And again, I am not here to change his ap, just fix his current stuff that relates to physicals. The sole purpose of the thread is to stop scaling these stuff to physicals and not touching or downgrading other ed stuff of it.
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This is how Reverse Flash's profile dealt with the singularity feat:
"Possibly Universe level to High Universe level at exactly the Speed of Light (According to Brainiac 5, with the speed force breaking down and the laws of physics in play, a speedster traveling at light speed would get so heavy that they will become a singularity and rip open the universe[21][Note 2])
Note 2: As Brainiac 5 says and nothing implies otherwise, Light Lass' would to be destroyed if she were to become a singularity, presumably by having her body turned into it. The amount of destruction she would unleash on the universe as a side effect of becoming a singularity is logically not something she can replicate with her blows at light speed without becoming a singularity. The feat is only rated at "possibly" 3-A or High 3-A because to rip open something has no evidence to, and in this case likely doesn't mean the same as, to destroy all of it. For example, a building being said to be ripped open may only mean that it has a hole teared at one side of it, without even going all the way through the building or it being a destruction that would equal what's needed to destroy the whole building. Same if bigger things were ripped open, like a planet, galaxy, and in this case, the universe. There is no standard for what set destruction would the singularity need to make to make Brainiac 5's statement accurate."
The same should have been applied to the other Flashes.
"Possibly Universe level to High Universe level at exactly the Speed of Light (According to Brainiac 5, with the speed force breaking down and the laws of physics in play, a speedster traveling at light speed would get so heavy that they will become a singularity and rip open the universe[21][Note 2])
Note 2: As Brainiac 5 says and nothing implies otherwise, Light Lass' would to be destroyed if she were to become a singularity, presumably by having her body turned into it. The amount of destruction she would unleash on the universe as a side effect of becoming a singularity is logically not something she can replicate with her blows at light speed without becoming a singularity. The feat is only rated at "possibly" 3-A or High 3-A because to rip open something has no evidence to, and in this case likely doesn't mean the same as, to destroy all of it. For example, a building being said to be ripped open may only mean that it has a hole teared at one side of it, without even going all the way through the building or it being a destruction that would equal what's needed to destroy the whole building. Same if bigger things were ripped open, like a planet, galaxy, and in this case, the universe. There is no standard for what set destruction would the singularity need to make to make Brainiac 5's statement accurate."
The same should have been applied to the other Flashes.
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Hypothetically, a galaxy-sized rip is still a High-3-A feat?
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Whoops. That's a miscopy and misread on my part. I thought the lightspeed braniac stuff was separated from the entire speed force stuff. I will revise my post.
Edit: Revised previous post.
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Also the Possibly 3-A to High 3-A should simply be Possibly High 3-A since we now accept DC universes as Infinite in size
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Because we don't know about how vague this feat is... For all we know, it could be shattering both space and time. However, as I mentioned earlier, we should tackle the AP/ED stuff elsewhere. This is to fix their physicals. the stuff with his speed force and light speed is a different matter all together that will need some research before changing them.
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Okay.
What else is left for discussion atm?
What else is left for discussion atm?
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I proposed these for the PFP Falshes but not much people responded to it.
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Also for Wally's replacement 4-B scaling feat, I think Wally fought an alternate vampire Superman and Barry in Flash Forward.
I'll check it later
I'll check it later
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