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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Fixxed said:
Just want to clear the explanation about duality

So order in specific is duality, but in general is nonduality/onesess

Like the feats says
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Can you explain Little bit further.

Also i need some help what if a character can cut thru time with sheer speed does that make him or her Immeasurable speed?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Can you explain Little bit further.

Also i need some help what if a character can cut thru time with sheer speed does that make him or her Immeasurable speed?
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Cut through time is too vague. Are cutting through time to go back/forward in time to prevent something or cut their opponent?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Can you explain Little bit further.
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In specific case, order and orded is duality. Like destruction and creation. But in general case they is onesess/nonduality, every specific order is "order" by default, they one in concept of order that govern the world
Like tree, there apple tree, banana tree, etc. But every tree is "tree"

In concept there are "subordinate" and "superordinate". I think that explanation will easy to understand

EldemadeDityjon said:
Also i need some help what if a character can cut thru time with sheer speed does that make him or her Immeasurable speed?
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I think yes, because if infinite speed mean move with 0 time, immeasurable speed is move without bound by time it self, so he/she can move through past or future freely
 
Fixxed said:
In specific case, order and orded is duality. Like destruction and creation. But in general case they is onesess/nonduality, every specific order is "order" by default, they one in concept of order that govern the world
Like tree, there apple tree, banana tree, etc. But every tree is "tree"

In concept there are "subordinate" and "superordinate". I think that explanation will easy to understand
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Ok 👍.
Fixxed said:
I think yes, because if infinite speed mean move with 0 time, immeasurable speed is move without bound by time it self, so he/she can move through past or future freely
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「私の剣は、最速の刃。時をも斬り裂く、バルツァロンド流狩猟剣しゅりょうけん」
しん、と静寂がその場を覆いつくし、まさに時が止まったかのように錯覚した。
なにもかもが静止した世界で、バルツァロンドだけが動いている。
否、その男の剣があまりにも速すぎるのだ。

"My sword is the fastest blade. The Balzarondo style hunting sword that cuts through time."
A silence covered the place, giving the illusion that time had stopped.
In a world where everything was stationary, only Balzarondo was moving.
No, the man's sword was far too fast.

People are ignoring this feat as Hyperbole statement or something but whoever Actuality read Disaster world edition and magic bullet world can tell every hunting architect has a unique sword with unique ability. I mean 5 chalices or something what you call them.

Also it's consistency if you consider people reacting to magic bullet and Eges spear getting caught in deeper layers. I believe atleast infinite combat speed should be given to top tier character whovever relatives to Balzarondo
 
Well, the reason why this is added to Anos' profile is to have a guide or reference, it may not be official but it is the closest to how Anos behaves in the novel and there is no problem to use it in vsthreads, also if anyone knows of any other ability that is not in that list, you can tell me and discuss here.
 
World can contain infinite possibilities of future

「未来はなに一つ決まってはいません。ナフタの愛とともにそこには無限の可能性が広がり、人々は希望を胸に、よりよい未来をつかみとる。竜騎士団よ、恐れることはありません」
"There is no single future. With Nafta's love, there are infinite possibilities, and people have hope in their hearts and seize a better future. Dragon Knights, don't be afraid. "
 
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Ok 👍.

「私の剣は、最速の刃。時をも斬り裂く、バルツァロンド流狩猟剣しゅりょうけん」
しん、と静寂がその場を覆いつくし、まさに時が止まったかのように錯覚した。
なにもかもが静止した世界で、バルツァロンドだけが動いている。
否、その男の剣があまりにも速すぎるのだ。

"My sword is the fastest blade. The Balzarondo style hunting sword that cuts through time."
A silence covered the place, giving the illusion that time had stopped.
In a world where everything was stationary, only Balzarondo was moving.
No, the man's sword was far too fast.

People are ignoring this feat as Hyperbole statement or something but whoever Actuality read Disaster world edition and magic bullet world can tell every hunting architect has a unique sword with unique ability. I mean 5 chalices or something what you call them.

Also it's consistency if you consider people reacting to magic bullet and Eges spear getting caught in deeper layers. I believe atleast infinite combat speed should be given to top tier character whovever relatives to Balzarondo
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Not sure what speed it is, but i think that could be infinite speed
 
Fixxed said:
World can contain endless possibilities of future

「未来はなに一つ決まってはいません。ナフタの愛とともにそこには無限の可能性が広がり、人々は希望を胸に、よりよい未来をつかみとる。竜騎士団よ、恐れることはありません」
"There is no single future. With Nafta's love, there are endless possibilities, and people have hope in their hearts and seize a better future. Dragon Knights, don't be afraid. "
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I think more like, the <kandaquisorte> future world crystal can contain it. And the crystal is only a microcosm of the world, because it a santuary
 
Fixxed said:
Not sure what speed it is, but i think that could be infinite speed
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Yeah they should atleast have infinite speed. Pretty much Yzark should get immeasurable speed. I asked in multiple speed Q&A thread they told me immeasurable speed character getting blitzed means other characters also has immeasurable speed it's not necessary to be said multiple times. Yzark pretty much little faster than Anos and he was even able to kill him.
Fixxed said:
World can contain infinite possibilities of future

「未来はなに一つ決まってはいません。ナフタの愛とともにそこには無限の可能性が広がり、人々は希望を胸に、よりよい未来をつかみとる。竜騎士団よ、恐れることはありません」
"There is no single future. With Nafta's love, there are infinite possibilities, and people have hope in their hearts and seize a better future. Dragon Knights, don't be afraid. "
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Fixxed said:
I think more like, the <kandaquisorte> future world crystal can contain it. And the crystal is only a microcosm of the world, because it a santuary
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I think anyone who scales above nafta should get uni+ rating.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
People are ignoring this feat as Hyperbole statement or something but whoever Actuality read Disaster world edition and magic bullet world can tell every hunting architect has a unique sword with unique ability. I mean 5 chalices or something what you call them.

Also it's consistency if you consider people reacting to magic bullet and Eges spear getting caught in deeper layers. I believe atleast infinite combat speed should be given to top tier character whovever relatives to Balzarondo
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Cutting through time here is too specific to give it only infinite speed. If not immeasurable then its inaccessible, faster than infinite but slower than immeasurable.

Inaccessible is better as it says time is stopped but you can try to go for immeasurable as it seems similar to shin's blade less sword.
 
@Fixxed @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless i have a doubt

Lets say there is 4D space which has infinite number of universes. So a Character can destroy the infinite number of universes (space time continuum)(4D structure) along with 4D space does that make the character AP 5D for destroying one higher dimensional space + Infinite number of 4D spaces ?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
@Fixxed @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless i have a doubt

Lets say there is 4D space which has infinite number of universes. So a Character can destroy the infinite number of universes (space time continuum)(4D structure) along with 4D space does that make the character AP 5D for destroying one higher dimensional space + Infinite number of 4D spaces ?
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Context is needed to prove that space is 5D as 4D structures can still hold 4D objects
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
@Fixxed @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless i have a doubt

Lets say there is 4D space which has infinite number of universes. So a Character can destroy the infinite number of universes (space time continuum)(4D structure) along with 4D space does that make the character AP 5D for destroying one higher dimensional space + Infinite number of 4D spaces ?
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If we talk about brane cosmology, than yea is 5D (if the universes being subspace in that space)
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Probably his Regeneration negation is infinite layered knowing grahan Regeneration stated infinite destruction needed to neg it. I mean Graham was turned into Nothingness on layered basis but wiki probably gonna treat it as hyperbole.
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They hopefully don't treat it as that. Its said he becomes a deeper nothingness that's impossible to affect each time his previous nothingness was destroyed and venuzdonor just needs to destroy reason each time to overcome it.
Wiki would probably say its NLF and ask for proof that the same level of negation can apply to other abilities as well
 
Tatsumi504 said:
They hopefully don't treat it as that. Its said he becomes a deeper nothingness that's impossible to affect each time his previous nothingness was destroyed and venuzdonor just needs to destroy reason each time to overcome it.
Wiki would probably say its NLF and ask for proof that the same level of negation can apply to other abilities as well
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Well can't be helped. I am currently checking the feats for infinite speed. Don't know how much scans i need to translate.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Probably his Regeneration negation is infinite layered knowing grahan Regeneration stated infinite destruction needed to neg it. I mean Graham was turned into Nothingness on layered basis but wiki probably gonna treat it as hyperbole.
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Doubt it will treated as hyperbolic... Graham's many times said that the more he gets destroyed, the more he get closer to his true nature/the more nothingness and impossible to affect he became. Graham's nothingness can be further reduced to nothingness as shown in many times when venuzdonoa was destroying him and when Anos' was destroying him inside his source, he'll taste an infinite destruction for eternity.
 
Dereck03 said:
Doubt it will treated as hyperbolic... Graham's many times said that the more he gets destroyed, the more he get closer to his true nature/the more nothingness and impossible to affect he became. Graham's nothingness can be further reduced to nothingness as shown in many times when venuzdonoa was destroying him and when Anos' was destroying him inside his source, he'll taste an infinite destruction for eternity.
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Anos said something along the lines of " nothing is eternal so grahams nothingness would eventually reach it end but if his nothingness is truly eternal then he would continue to be destroyed in Anos source for eternity."

This is possibly infinite layers of NEP 2&3 for graham and possibly infinite layers of negation for Anos and venuzdonor. This would apply to all other of venuzdonor's abilities as well be it HGR, HGR negation, resistances, CM& law manipulation as it's all by destroying reason.

This is why I asked that question once, whether you need to show resistance negation for every kind of resistance or you gain the same amount Of layered negation for every kind of reaistance after you've shown it on one ability.
 
Dereck03 said:
Hey guys, ngl, but I was reading the Transduality page and found something interesting.


We have a special case in Maou Gakuin and that is that the order (dualities) are already concepts (and laws) which far exceeds the current Type 2 requirement to be superior to all dualities and concepts.. Practically the dualities in MG are at a conceptual level and even at a deeper level if we use the deeper orders. Anos' source and Graham's true nature and misfits are above the dualities at a conceptual level.

Look at this. Anos' source, Graham's true nature and misfits not only exist above duality at a conceptual level but above reason/logic and also lacks reason/logic and are unbound from it since logic does not apply to them. Misfits exist practically as "Oddballs" that are outside and beyond of order (Law, Concepts & Dualities) and reason/logic (which is far superior to order). And therefore Anos' source and Graham's true nature exist as the contradiction and the opposition of the whole dual system at conceptual level including logic/reason. They would clearly qualify for Type 3.


But it's all screwed up since we know it's only reserved for 1-A and up. FKKKKKKKKKK
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So no more 1-A stuff for TD so we can argue for Type 3 TD
 
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