text is literally saying they have the same skill as BB.
No it isn't.
Rani: I couldn't find a way to seal the Ten Crowns, but I can formulate a countermeasure. Through analyzing the Ten Crowns, I acquired the access rights to the "Power of the Beginning" from the moon cell.
The Ten Crowns are the start of human history, what could be described as the dawn of the light of civilization….
In summary, it's the power of the "Origin" (original model) from which human genes began. Anyone human should contain it within.
So, I will add this ability to your Servant. If it's power on the same level, the "Ten Crowns" should not be able to "undo" it.
Gilgamesh: So you intend to access my original form.
Rani: Correct, we will dive into the digital body of the Servant, directly access the core of the Heroic Spirit, and unlock the root of the Heroic Spirit sealed by the Moon Cell - its mythological formal wear.
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Rani :: As a result of analyzing the "Ten Crowns," we too have acquired rights to access "original power" from the Moon Cell. The "Ten Crowns" is the beginning of human history, the dawning of the light of civilization…In summer, it is the power of the Origin that began the human genome. It is something all human beings hold within them. Therefore, we can append this ability it to your Servant as well. If we have the same power the Ten Crowns cannot make us "things that weren't."
Gilgamesh :: Oh? So you would lay hands on my origin.
Rani :: Yes. You must enter your Servant's virtual mind/body, access the heroic spirit core directly, the heroic spirit's root that the Moon Cell has sealed away — and release the "legendary mystic code."
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Both the Ten Crowns and the Mythology Mystic Code are the power of the origin of human history and the human genes, but they aren't the same as each other.
Ten Crowns: EX→D
A transcendental Skill on the Authority-class. It has been said that the Ten Crowns indicate the ten evil rulers and the Seven Hills indicate the abominable city of evil. If one simply observes it, it is a Skill that makes all received injuries, occurred events, and any and every result into "something that did not happen." In reality, BB is invincible as long as she is equipped with this(in this text I understand that they have the same ability as Ten Crowns EX.)
The moon cell records timelines, not actual universes and if it was that powerful characters like Safer, someone who has the power of a star could never pose a threat to it.
mean the core of the Moon Cell should be 8D no?.
A multidimensional defense is not that impressive, Saber Venus simply powered through Archimedes' one with her anti-planet NP.
And nine-tailed Tamamo beat the shit out of the Moon Cell's Core with a kick that is literally described as being as powerful as a solar flare.
(cracking sound, Tamamo's theme started playing)
???: That kind of ending, HOLD IT RIGHT THEREEE!! Revere me, revere me~! Uka no Mitama also greatly recognized and approved~! Super express SCRAMBLE straight from the imperial tomb of the Yellow Emperor, I finally arrived with the thousand light years dash!!
(more cracking sound)
???: Hah, that Time Barrier (1) or whatever doesn't matter, just call me and I will burst right in! Nah, it's not like I wasn't invited or anything though...❤
(even more cracking sound)
???: Nevertheless, even if the world acknowledged your sacrifice for world peace, God doesn't acknowledge such things! If you take what belong to me, I will take it back. I will retaliate until I win. If I screwed the rules then I will change the rules itself!! This is the spirit of my beloved! Prepare yourself, the obstacle before me! Take this FLARE SKIRT------!!!
(a bunch of cracking sound and something definitely broken)
…..She did it. She freaking did it….
She completely ignored the time axis, law of cause and effect, consistency, all of those. My Caster just did something disastrous.
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Tamamo: Eh? How did I come to rescue you? To put it more correctly, I taught the stubborn Moon Cell a lesson by kicking it hard, did you see that? Afterall, a younger brother must obey his older sister (2)! That spinning kick, the official name is FLARE SKIRT BUNKER BUSTER (3), it can cause extremely high pressure on underground constructs…
….I-Is that s-so…
Basically, Caster bursted into the Moon Cell's Core by bruteforce and rescued me. As a result, rather than being out of service completely, the Moon Cell changed its way (4).
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Tamamo: Ugh, you figured it out. As expected from my darling, you're as sharp as always. The truth is, about that. To save my darling, I had to regain my 9 tails form, right? So I went through 1000 years of sage training to level up, really worth it. I got my tails back and conquered the Moon Cell.
Read the Page 4
Japanese name: Manifestation of girl's power as powerful as a solar flare.
Read the Page 4.
The Moon Cell doesn't contain infinite universes, it observes infinite possibilities, and stores them inside itself as data in the form of light. Destroying the
Moon Cell or the Reality Marbles it created does in no way equate to destroying those infinite possibilities.
Moreover, Gilgamesh apparently destroying the Moon Cell's RM is something that only happens in attack animations, and is never stated or eluded to
actually happen in the story proper.
And the Moon Cell's actual reality warping capabilities are very limited for something that is getting wanked into an infinite multiversal thing.
They are as follows according to Nasu in Fate/EXTRA Material:*
And this is what Rin in CCC tells us about the Moon Cell.*
The Moon Cell's ability to rewrite the laws of physics and reshape reality is also very limited. The most it can do is administrate the planet and the societies
on it. If it's something it cannot do, it will locate your ideal future in the many parallel world it observes, and use its control over the administration of the
planet to change society to recreate that ideal future. Its reality warping is even worsen that Earth Shen Long.
It would take it about 10 years just to do something as simple "making all the girls on Earth my little sisters". And it just changes societies so that things are
now like that, so it's not that it needed 10 years of loading time to rewrite the universe, it simple changes things little by little until your wish is actualized.
And if your wish is too crazy, it cannot actually make it even real, it just manages and directs Earth so that a device capable of allowing you to experience
that dream realistically is made. Basically, instead of rewriting reality like any true multiversal reality warper, it just builds you a Matrix, and not even instantly
at that.
Now, the Moon Cell can indeed rewrite the physical laws to some extent, but not to one that would allow it to defeat even a single Z fighter. Seriously, just
use some basic logic, the Moon Cell was unable to defeat Velber and Sefar by itself. Yet Excalibur's planet-guarding power was able to defeat the White
Titan. A mere giant energy discharge weapon, which we have no reason to believe is anything beyond planet level or star level at absolute best, and that
already feels like a stretch.
In fact, both Amaterasu and 7th Stage Sefar are stated to have an amount of energy on the level of the sun. And suddenly somehow the Moon Cell is
multiversal? Go home boy, u drunk.
Heck, the amount of light/data the Moon Cell has stored isn't enough to fill even a single universe.
And Gilgamesh never one shotted either BB and Kiara. BB's fight is not described, and Kiara was only defeated because the Alter Egos she absorbed
within herself rebelled so she didn't hurt Hakuno. Before attaining the Mythology Mystic Code Gilgamesh himself admitted that he's no match for BB, and in
the instance in which he used Ea
the story, the Moon Cell's Reality Marble was perfectly fine and dandy.
And the EXTRA and CCC timelines fit perfectly within Extella, Gilgamesh references the events in the Far Side of the Moon, as do Hakuno and Tamamo.
Not to mention that we are told that Moon Cell's power source is equivalent to the sun, so not even remotely infinite. And the Moon Cell itself is outright
stated to not be infinite as well.
And about BB being able to destroy the universe, that's bollocks as well. She ends the universe by bringing down all electrical power, because the
"universe" they're in is a cyber world. And BB has control over the Moon Cell that manages the sustaining of that virtual world. This doesn't give her any
universe busting level of power.
*Cites:
[Moon Cell‘s core
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Moon Cell‘s core is Moon Cell.
As far as Moon Cell is concerned, the seven layers that make up the interior of the Moon are just “additional memory.”
Moon Cell‘s core is what really manages the Moon and observes the Earth. It is the brain that stores the data about the past and future.
It observes the determination of every possible destiny every second, computes further results, and stores everything inside itself as light.1
There are untold tens of millions of lights years of light trapped within the core, and the entire photonic crystal structure is also powered by it.
A certain person named Moon Cell‘s core, “The Destiny Perceiving Dendrogram.”
Just by using information encoded by converging light Moon Cell‘s core can even rewrite the laws of physics.
Phenomena Selection Tree Angelica Cage.
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…The ability to enter Moon Cell‘s core is the forbidden fruit that is offered to the ultimate victor of the Holy Grail War.
After overcoming the Seven Seas the protagonist, who is the last one left alive, finally makes it to Moon Cell‘s core.
A sea of light and innumerable coffins await him/her there.
And there the one that waits for the protagonist, upon the rubble of the entombed remains of the many victors.]
[Holy Grail
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In previous works the term Holy Grail referred to a wish granting machine that could grant any wish, but in EXTRA this term refers to the right to use Moon
Cell.
If you browse through the massive amount of records and simulated data that Moon Cell holds, you will certainly be able to find a version of Earth with the
future that you desire.
The you who has obtained the right to use Moon Cell need only say the following to Moon Cell:
“Recreate my ideal future.”
Moon Cell will quickly set about to bring the state of Earth to match the shape of the future you desire. The Moon has all the necessary knowledge and
physical means to change the world.
For example, if you were to wish “Make all the girls on Earth my little sisters.” In about ten years or so societies on Earth would have changed to be so.
Or alternatively, all of Earth would be managed and directed to work in order to make a device to allow one to experience that dream realistically.
There’s nothing that the human race can’t realize as long as it’s within the scope of human imagination. No matter what kind of fantasy, no matter how
unrealistic, there is a way to realize and experience it.]
[…the Holy Grail…the wishing vessel, given to the winner of the Holy Grail War, said to be able to grant every wish. …ah, I see. …so this despondency was
because my senses all realized that? …before that giant wall. …at the bottom of my heart, I already — Rani :: The Holy Grail is an observational device that
simulates the future of the Earth, and stores those records continuously, at regular intervals. It has been doing so since the beginning of human history.
Though it is supposed, an infinity of futures are recorded here in the moon. To obtain the Moon Cell means to be able to search out the future your wish for
from among all of those, and put it into effect. Rin :: …you understand? It won’t make the world just as you want instantaneously, but it can with certainty
manage the Earth according to your wish. A wishing vessel filled with all realities…no, it’s more of a schedule management device. That’s what the Moon
Cell Core is. …this wishing device has obtained a will, and determined the “future.” That future is the annihilation of mankind. The outside world is
proceeding with that future of annihilation as its set history. At this point, even if we get back to the near side, never mind the Holy Grail War, whether the
Moon Cell itself is there or not…]
[The wizards who have reached the moon will compete with one another,and the last one standing will be summoned to the Moon Cell Core and granted
the right to use it. That’s the Holy Grail – an omnipotent computer containing a power source equal to the sun.]
[Rani :: No, that’s not precisely it. As it is created by the Moon Cell, which is finite, the Labyrinth cannot become infinite — it must be of a single shape, with a
fixed entrance and exit. No matter how irregular it appears, the Labyrinth must abide by those conditions or it will break down.]
[Gilgamesh :: Until the end of the universe? How generous of you. Then will you end the universe if she refuses? It wouldn’t be very balanced otherwise,
would it?
Gilgamesh turns BB’s words against her provocatively. …if that’s any indication, he’s ready to shoot down BB on the spot. Looking at me and Gilgamesh
like this,
BB :: Of course I will end it. If Hakuno Kishinami does not sever her contract with Gilgamesh, I will bring down all electrical power.
She’s saying she’ll destroy the universe. The girl in black announces it, not as a bluff or a metaphor, but as if it were natural.]
these are all the Debunks I have found
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