He's simply asking a question (granted in a terribly inefficient way), it's not like the OP is trying to change ratings.
It records all information of the world (which is larger than earth as lb5 made it clear that space is a layer of it or whatever), Sefar was destroyed by a full power Excalibur in the past yeah, not Seraph, Excalibur was forged in the past to kill her in fact, and when it doesn't, we get Lb6. The mooncell also doesn't take energy from the sun, but apparently it's own energy source is equivalent in power to the sun, I don't remember the line myself, and FGO seems to have changed it to being just the computational power being on par with the sun/solar system
from what i understand the moon cell takes energy from the sun and seraph was destroyed by excalibur?.(I just want to get more information on the nasuverse and opinions, don't take it as a spite or something).
then i heard the moon cell only has files on the earth
The funny thing is that nothing shows it's just planet level. A planet being shown in the attack animation =/= the attack itself being planetary. That's like saying that the Anti Spiral's IBBS is galaxy level because he performs it by merging two galaxies.
It's a shame but a lot of guys just can't be convinced by anything other than a statment like "I shit Universe destroying beams of energy that Destroy Universes by destroying a universal structure thus destroying the universe" hence why tiering debates off site are something I try to avoid like A LOT
Bruh...
Excalibur>>Mooncell........did I perhaps miss something???
and whether the Moon Cell stores the infinite possibilities as light or whatever is irrelevant because infinity is infinity. what it's made up of is irrelevant. and light in Nasuverse creates entire conceptual realities like the Moon Cell itself and the Far Side. i don't see how this is an issue.
Lol.
To be honest at this point if I see this argument I simply disengage never again will engage with someone that thinks that Space Battles put me through hell with that one
Debating is definitely a lot more organized here. With you having to debate with what's accepted on their profiles rather than everyone dropping their own scans and interpretations, spending 3/4's of the time arguing Tiers, abilities and stats rather than actually debating the vs match, and if you don't agree then you make a CRT and have it changed
Space Battles is even worse than CV.
i mean being forced to argue for tiers and using this tiering system is probably the biggest flaw of this website. i wasn't really going that direction with it. just that people are more civil when discussing things. though perhaps being forced to debate with the profiles helps that to an extent but I prefer truth above all.
Pretty sure if you go to SB and look up Gilgamesh vs Team Fairy tail you should find it, lost my log in details years ago
Hate that place with a passion, I used to get so worked up cause someone would genuinely say "Gilgamesh got beat by a hentai prontagonist and his gender bent Girlfriend so, how can he be Multiversal" not as a meme or troll mind you but as a genuine counter point
They legit think that Void Shiki can be defeated by Ciel, even though base Ryougi alone defeated Souren Araya who is even stronger than her. They wank really hard her saying she can't beat Beasts in GO, ignoring that she was just a shadow of Void not using her powers, which the game itself confirmed to be omnipotent and above the whole setting.
i already dealt with that in my very first post. planets and celestial bodies are not normal planets. Gaia contains an entire cosmos in the reverse side. it can power up True Ancestors to be stronger than their opponent infinitely with no limit even.
Sounds like infinite in nasuverse is just moon leveli already dealt with that in my very first post. planets and celestial bodies are not normal planets. Gaia contains an entire cosmos in the reverse side. it can power up True Ancestors to be stronger than their opponent infinitely with no limit even.
the last thing planets are in Nasuverse is normal. its power source being the same as the sun is a feat for the sun. the amount of infinite statements like BB becoming an infinite concept, infinite distance to the core, infinite timelines stored in the Moon Cell etc cannot be denied. it's literally impossible. it honestly has more infinite and multiversal statements than most single works in fiction.
look, here's another random infinite statement CCC coughs up when BB creates a space without the concept of an exit and so is infinite in size.
but honestly when not going off tiering here, multiversal power or how powerful someone is in general is really irrelevant to hax in almost every capacity. when you have the type of hax Extra characters have, they could be atom level and beat multiversal characters since they have some of the best hax in fiction.
the Gilgamesh speed thing being about conceptual space is because the Universe of Record has different laws compared to the Universe of Observation. we don't know how CCC characters would operate in normal space, but considering we only really see their combat feats in the Universe of Record, those are the only ones that should be considered in a cross verse scenario. and if they are weaker in the Universe of Observation, you could just as much say that it is nerfing them as you could say the Universe of Record is amping them. so really the only fair thing to do in a cross verse scenario is use their Universe of Record feats. it's where they all are. it's where all of their feats take place. there is no real reason to assume they would get nerfed if they were thrown into another fictional franchise etc.
this is one of the many reasons Grand Order doesn't get any benefits of scaling to Extra or CCC. none of it takes place in the Universe of Record and they have way too many anti-feats to put their actual physicals at even planetary, let alone something like immeasurable speed which just breaks the setting of Grand Order entirely. the authority linear scaling chain here is also not how authority works at all. likewise Angel Notes and whatnot also shouldn't scale, as cool as multiversal Notes characters would be.
btw in case it comes up, Gilgamesh needing a ship to travel across the galaxy isn't true. that's never stated and it just vaguely says he has an NP for it. the other Servants with the same form as him flew across it in an "instant" as Kiara puts it without any item. so he directly scales to them. and BB put herself in "unlimited time" giving her infinite speed. (immeasurable is kind of wonky and this site's standards for it are too lenient. i don't think most multiversal characters in fiction reach immeasurable. until you get to Amaterasu and higher, they should all have infinite speed.)
and if you believe in using higher infinities for cosmology or volumes of space (this is mathematically impossible btw contrary to what many non-mathematicians think), the higher dimensional statements lend further credence to the multiversal status of the setting. and FYI, BB and the Moon Cell are the ones with almost all of the multiversal statements. Gilgamesh only gets scaling. same with the other Servants.
honestly though, once you get to metaphysical attacks, the difference between range and attack power becomes hard to gauge. if a metaphysical attack that doesn't follow the laws of physics destroys an infinite multiverse, does that speak to their power? or is it only an issue of range? there's issues like this that can come up that many don't consider. though the reality warping of Extra and CCC top tiers is at least of infinite range, which is really all that matters. though perhaps infinite power too. it's just one of those vague areas most multiversal settings don't address.
sorry if i'm rambling. i kinda threw out different ideas unrelated to this tiering system at the last minute (since I think we can discuss other ideas when we aren't discussing versus debates?)
I must add that the answer you formulated was very convincing. but anyway why don't people believe in the Multiversal Gilgamesh?.i already dealt with that in my very first post. planets and celestial bodies are not normal planets. Gaia contains an entire cosmos in the reverse side. it can power up True Ancestors to be stronger than their opponent infinitely with no limit even.
the last thing planets are in Nasuverse is normal. its power source being the same as the sun is a feat for the sun. the amount of infinite statements like BB becoming an infinite concept, infinite distance to the core, infinite timelines stored in the Moon Cell etc cannot be denied. it's literally impossible. it honestly has more infinite and multiversal statements than most single works in fiction.
look, here's another random infinite statement CCC coughs up when BB creates a space without the concept of an exit and so is infinite in size.
but honestly when not going off tiering here, multiversal power or how powerful someone is in general is really irrelevant to hax in almost every capacity. when you have the type of hax Extra characters have, they could be atom level and beat multiversal characters since they have some of the best hax in fiction.
the Gilgamesh speed thing being about conceptual space is because the Universe of Record has different laws compared to the Universe of Observation. we don't know how CCC characters would operate in normal space, but considering we only really see their combat feats in the Universe of Record, those are the only ones that should be considered in a cross verse scenario. and if they are weaker in the Universe of Observation, you could just as much say that it is nerfing them as you could say the Universe of Record is amping them. so really the only fair thing to do in a cross verse scenario is use their Universe of Record feats. it's where they all are. it's where all of their feats take place. there is no real reason to assume they would get nerfed if they were thrown into another fictional franchise etc.
this is one of the many reasons Grand Order doesn't get any benefits of scaling to Extra or CCC. none of it takes place in the Universe of Record and they have way too many anti-feats to put their actual physicals at even planetary, let alone something like immeasurable speed which just breaks the setting of Grand Order entirely. the authority linear scaling chain here is also not how authority works at all. likewise Angel Notes and whatnot also shouldn't scale, as cool as multiversal Notes characters would be.
btw in case it comes up, Gilgamesh needing a ship to travel across the galaxy isn't true. that's never stated and it just vaguely says he has an NP for it. the other Servants with the same form as him flew across it in an "instant" as Kiara puts it without any item. so he directly scales to them. and BB put herself in "unlimited time" giving her infinite speed. (immeasurable is kind of wonky and this site's standards for it are too lenient. i don't think most multiversal characters in fiction reach immeasurable. until you get to Amaterasu and higher, they should all have infinite speed.)
and if you believe in using higher infinities for cosmology or volumes of space (this is mathematically impossible btw contrary to what many non-mathematicians think), the higher dimensional statements lend further credence to the multiversal status of the setting. and FYI, BB and the Moon Cell are the ones with almost all of the multiversal statements. Gilgamesh only gets scaling. same with the other Servants.
honestly though, once you get to metaphysical attacks, the difference between range and attack power becomes hard to gauge. if a metaphysical attack that doesn't follow the laws of physics destroys an infinite multiverse, does that speak to their power? or is it only an issue of range? there's issues like this that can come up that many don't consider. though the reality warping of Extra and CCC top tiers is at least of infinite range, which is really all that matters. though perhaps infinite power too. it's just one of those vague areas most multiversal settings don't address.
sorry if i'm rambling. i kinda threw out different ideas unrelated to this tiering system at the last minute (since I think we can discuss other ideas when we aren't discussing versus debates?)
Again it is because visual, they are only convinced until they saw someone actually destroy something that look visually like a multiverse
the large majority of the fanbase doesn't have considerable knowledge on Nasuverse beyond mainline Fate series that are popular (this is especially bad when getting into non Fate series). most are wiki skimmers and it leads to hilariously bullshit easily destroyable claims like Shiki can't kill Servants, even though the protag Shikis of both series in any iteration could slaughter them casually and things far beyond. the Moon Cell is just virtual and not real, yet it affected Gaia. Void is only defensive Servant level, yet never mentioned Void and that entire overall comparison has been contradicted massively and rectonned, and plenty of other shit taken either out of context, misinterpreted context, or not realizing some statements have been outright contradicted or rectonned.
You hurt my heart bro
No, it worked on people's copies that were created by the Moon Cell. The player's Servants needed to get the ability in order to mutually cancel the one used by BB, otherwise she would have been invincible.
No, it's not. Ten Crowns work on everything, what you mean is Potnia Theron which only works on creatures born on earth, whereas Ten Crowns doesn't work like that.
