these dudes were talking about perhaps coming here. i hope they do so i can tear into them.
i want some of you to take note of what i say for future ammo to just immediately debunk downplaying garbage. i may also go over some stuff he hasn't mentioned here, but things i've seen when lurking from these people.
now i am going under the assumption that everything is canon to each other and there is still a single unified canon (there isn't) but just to really drive home the point you can defend it even with nonsensical shit from Extella, which does not fit with Extra lore at all.
Extella states that there is no energy in "this dimension" to contain the continuous propagation of timelines? well guess what? this is entirely irrelevant to the Moon Cell, which has HIGHER dimensions, with its Universe of Record stated to have entirely different laws that operate different compared to the rest of reality. and the Moon Cell contains infinite possibilities YET to be put into effect into the real world that it simulates and stores. even if we say the normal multiverse has finite timelines this has no bearing in the Moon Cell AT ALL.
tldr: the Moon Cell has higher dimensions and the Universe of Record has entirely different laws and rules that have nothing to do with the rest of the main reality and simulates and stores infinite possible futures not YET put into effect in reality.
"it's just a moon because MOON Cell." yeah no. we see Nasuverse have celestial bodies contain entire realities and shit. The Reverse Side of the World as shown in MBAA has a moon and an entire cosmos in it, with it being a different layer of the planet not even containing the laws of physics.
The world where humans currently live (including the laws of physics) is like a fabric that thinly extends across the surface of the planet. Beneath that fabric exist the planet known as “Earth.” On the other hand, the Reverse Side of the World is the world as it was before humans lived there… that is, the fabric of the era where Phantasmal Races strode the land. In other words, the Earth is the bottommost layer of the planet, and it is covered by the “Reverse Side of the World”—the place where the laws of the “world” as it once was reigns, and covering that is the “Present World.”
https://www.tmdict.com/en/se.reverse-side-of-the-world
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the Moon Cell also has multiple realms that show many stars moons and planets. BB even calls Angelica Cage a universe and Gilgamesh calls it a cosmos. and it has stars.
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Nasuverse planets and celestial bodies are clearly not ******* normal. when Hakuno first meets Gilgamesh in the Far Side even, it shows many stars and galaxies and nebulas.
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Hakuno also fell millions of light years and couldn't even see the light of the sun anymore. that's not possible if the Moon Cell was the size of the moon or even solar system level.
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the pathway to the core is an infinite distance btw. 404 light years is a metaphor to convey that the address doesn't exist because you can't cross it normally. 404 of course being the error "404 not found" you'll see on the internet for dead addresses. fun fact, BB became an infinite concept to cross this border.
This is the borderline that lies between the seventh layer and Moon Cell‘s core. Pseudo-Spiritrons are made of light, and it’s warned that at the speed of light it would take 404 years to get past this border and to the computer addresses which lie beyond. This essentially communicates “that address doesn’t exist” to anyone/anything attempting to pass.
It’s actually an infinite distance that cannot be covered even if you try for centuries.
The only thing that can serve as a bridge across the borderline to connect Moon Cell‘s core to the normal address space is the arena that Moon Cell made to summon the victor of the Holy Grail War.
…Is how it’s supposed to be, but BB used an imaginary number space to force herself to become an infinite concept,
and by using a fake arena she managed to break past the borderline.
https://www.tmdict.com/book/#fate-extra-material.404-light-years
and whether the Moon Cell stores the infinite possibilities as light or whatever is irrelevant because infinity is infinity. what it's made up of is irrelevant. and light in Nasuverse creates entire conceptual realities like the Moon Cell itself and the Far Side. i don't see how this is an issue.
infinite things being contained in finite exterior objects can be chalked up to metaphysics, which just means shit beyond our normal physical laws. i wouldn't call it outright illogical at all, especially since shit like the Far Side values concepts over real numbers, where places will go on infinitely even if it has a finite exterior so long as the concept of an exit to another place isn't established. this has resulted in numerous infinite spaces like BB's special cage for Hakuno that goes on infinitely because there is no concept of an exit. and if you use the infinite in finite shit to downplay and say it isn't infinite, you can apply this to almost any other multiversal fiction to ever exist in the history of forever.
the Moon Cell having a power source comparable to the sun is a feat for the sun, considering celestial bodies in Nasuverse can be weird as shit.
in the original Tsukihime even, Gaia is stated to have an infinite mana supply to boost True Ancestors. and Arcueid is stated by Nasu to be able to one shot Summer Snow with it, which is White Len's reality that seems to contain an entire cosmos since it has stars.
"the Moon Cell is a virtual place in a computer, so it isn't real." is that why it effects reality outside of itself? is that why CCC Gilgamesh hopped out of the Moon Cell and flew across the galaxy?
i'm really half assing this response and making it short and it's already enough to obliterate the arguments of these people. to say Nasuverse is only planetary or whatever the hell is just nonsense and i'm tired of people with zero knowledge pretending they actually know what they're talking about. (i'm referring to the people in the link not the OP himself)
the 1-C non-Extra shit is wank though.
yeah though like these same people think Void is only defensive Servant level, ignoring the fact it never mentioned void, ignoring the fact that entire long statement has been massively contradicted and rectonned, ignoring her stated to be the second strongest in the franchise and ignore how GO states she's a shadow of her real self and ignores her connection to the Root shit making normal parameters meaningless even in GO. these people go through insane mental gymnastics to avoid multiversal Nasuverse or placing anything above Grand Order. they then proceed to wank Servants as LS to FTL casual planet busters.
but yeah there's a reason i don't go to prehistoric debating websites. i don't agree with 90% of the stuff here, but at least an actual discussion can take place and people try to listen to each other most of the time. so props.
