She stutters and while being choked out she still manages to climb the hole and get to her. She was not severely injured by the attack. The justification needs to be reworded or you have to find other scaling.
That's one of the reasons why I don't like the scaling. Its mentioned that she specifically has to harmonize with the Celestial to crack the armor
...Noting era it is, this is 80s, that's the best amount of damage you're seeing there.
I mean her forcefield applications offensively has always been worse than her defensive uses, so idk why that's relevant :v
Well, it is what it is then.
Because to actively do stuff to them she has to harmonize with them. In the same scene Johnny also damages one. If she has more stuff to back it, then fine. Up to 2-A shields can work. But on its own its like trying to scale Superman to 2-C because he decked Barbatos once.
Yeah so by acknowledging context of the scene and era, while taking into account the dialogue, my justification's right.
I don't see why you're acting like that's = duraneg, it's a vague mechanic and waves aren't duraneg to begin with.
No, it just means that your justification isn't useable if that's all she has. Staggering She-Hulk isn't much of a feat, especially without any supporting evidence.
Its saying that to effect them she must tap into 5th Dimensional energies. It makes more sense that she can just do that to fight Celestials than just randomly be 2-A at certain times.
Qaw I repeatedly have stated “staggering X” is literally the only thing these characters can do this era, it’s utter nonsense to expect blood and gore to be visible, and again, literally like 10% of the characters DON’T stagger each other with these combat interactions. Dialogue context blatantly tells she harms She-Hulk greatly there, and that’s all that’s needed. This degree of bull-headedness again, means NO ONE SCALES TO ANYONE UNTIL THE 2000s. It’s genuinely, just an unreachable quota you’re putting out that literally invalidates so many basic scalings it’s comedic.
…No from the sounds of it she just can be 2-A whenever then by “tapping into 5th dimensional energies”, which I’ll then proceed to list regardless.
We treat dimensions in Marvel as real, so maybe she's low 1-C at her peak but holds back below that level
I'm not saying they need to explode someone to AP scale. But just staggering someone isn't indicative of anything. Plenty of people can stronger vastly stronger people just because.
Sure, you can list it as 2-A when tapping into hyperspace. But 2-A shouldn't be her standard shield power.
...firstly recognise even if this was valid, you're asking us to buy along a SUBJECTIVE DISTINCTION that explicitly contradicts text written, something completely disagreeable by most comics scalers, it isn't an objective argument in the slightest.
No but they're naturally hyperspace, again, the mechanic you're stating is headcanoning in context, which isn't very apparent anyhow.
Other instances. Which is what I asked for. Spider-Man has staggered Hulk before and I'm vaguely confident Cap has done the same to Thor. But it'd inconsistent for them.
It's something she has to consciously tap into in order to use. She has two 2-A feats with the shields and both are against Celestials, something she knows she needs to go all out on.
I'm not saying that, that was just a strawman argument of my statement. I'm saying hitting She-Hulk one time and failing to incap her isn't a justification in of itself for 6-C. She needs more.
Spidey has antifeats, Sue doesn't, incomparable scenario.
...It's forcefields, she barely uses it for combat, offensively.
Yeah and her forcefields are something she also actively makes and decides properties to. I am listing 2-A as a peak feat, it's accurate.
...No, if there is an antifeat for it produce it, one that follows the nature of her variable nature of forcefields, otherwise you're arguing inconsistencies that don't exist. There HAS TO BE A CONTRADICTION.
The character has been around since 1961. If she has a single feat of scaling to a 6-C then that's just not enough in my view.
Guess you're right. Are we also including it for AP since she broke through Exitar's armor?
Character is only gettting her appearance covered till 80s in this key, and she only gets her forcefields midway through 70s. She doesn't have much to pull from, not to mention writers wrote her very uncreatively where she only did defensive stuff
Maybe, I can list it.
Then I think its just better to just list is as higher without a rating. Scaling her fully to She-Hulk just doesn't seem like the correct move.
Then I think we should just give her a higher rating with them. If that's literally her only feat after 30 years of existence I'm not going to call that consistent.
she is
Do you have a scan of thst for the Classic era? If so then yeah, it along with She-Hulk would probably be fine as a justification.
Give me an antifeat that makes it inconsistent, again, there has to be a contradiction for it to be inconsistent. 1 out of 1 is a 100% truth.
She existed since 1961. Did she get an in-universe power up or gp through a training arc to learn offensive shields?
A lack of any other showing is in of itself a contradiction.
training arc
yeah, she got a training "arc" (it's offscreen) to get shields in general, and she eventually began using them offensively
...no, a 1 out of 1 is 100% correct. I genuinely don't get this scrutiny, it's ridiculous
Dialogue clearly implies she does, you're penalizing genre limitations
