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I/O Revision thread

Wuhaoyu said:
The producers of the game produced never7, ever17 and remember 11，all three games take the player himself as a character in the game. If the majestic presence is the player's Avatar, it should be regarded as a tier that the 1-A characters cannot reach.
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It would at best be another layer in 1-A.

Also it's better to use the english vers when not using the original. At least that's how we work iirc.
 
Thank you for helping out Yuri. It is very appreciated.

Also, Google translate tends to be unreliable when translating Chinese or Japanese into English.
 
Is it correct to understand 1-A, high 1-A and 0 with such examples?

1-A: all exist

High 1-A: it cannot be described by "exist", but it is not nothing

High 1-A or 0: complete nothingness, not even the metaphysical concept of "nothingness"

0: “existence”, “nonexistence, no-nothing”, or even “complete nonexistence” cannot be used to describe it



Or like the structure of DC. The paper of the comic book is high 1-A and the writer is 0？
 
Yes, but there is a too limited explanation for me to understand, and I have blocked my YouTube access.
 
To be honest, that was a good way of "reading" the novel, without having to download the game. On the other hand, I found this a long time ago but, maybe I had another things to get centered on, and by maybe I mean I really had, and still have, things to get into. Like psychology college or my diplomacy in Python 3.
I'm sorry for not being able to help right now.
The thing is that a lot of the routes get clarified in this playlists.
 
Okay. That is very good then. Thank you for helping out.
 
I’m not completely sure due to my bad memory when it comes to the verse, but I heard that the hierarchy could qualify for 1A+ due to similar reasoning as Unwritten. I’ll try gathering some scans that I had when I first played the game
 
Tarang123 said:
I’m not completely sure due to my bad memory when it comes to the verse, but I heard that the hierarchy could qualify for 1A+ due to similar reasoning as Unwritten. I’ll try gathering some scans that I had when I first played the game
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Probably avoid saying things like this unless you have some level of certainty as to the validity of "what you remember" or "what you heard" regarding I/O. All it takes is one person taking it out-of-context for people to start having preconceptions about potential I/O upgrades and then look like clowns if someone else disproves the idea.
Tarang123 said:
Even then, you can definitely make an argument for it being 1A for the hierarchy itself due to holding larger scale than dimensional transcendence
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What is this based on, exactly?
 
based on the differences between layers being greater than the differences between dimensions within said layers
 
KingPin0422 said:
What is this based on, exactly?
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Well, from how I understood it, it would be kinda like Unwritten's whole thing with the transcendence being larger than dimensional transcendence due to each layer apparently containing some number of dimensions or something like that.

KingPin0422 said:
Probably avoid saying things like this unless you have some level of certainty as to the validity of "what you remember" or "what you heard" regarding I/O. All it takes is one person taking it out-of-context for people to start having preconceptions about potential I/O upgrades and then look like clowns if someone else disproves the idea.
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That's true, and I apologize for that
 
Tarang123 said:
Well, from how I understood it, it would be kinda like Unwritten's whole thing with the transcendence being larger than dimensional transcendence due to each layer apparently containing some number of dimensions or something like that.
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If there was an infinite hierarchy like that, then it would just be good High 1-B.
 
So is there any chance of us improving the reliability of the verse, or will we have to delete it entirely from our wiki?
 
Antvasima said:
So is there any chance of us improving the reliability of the verse, or will we have to delete it entirely from our wiki?
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I mean, everything is fine as it is atm, the tiering is correct and the only thing needed is to downgrade the Goddesses to 1-A, the only thing that could be an issue is the PnA but that could be covered in other threads, and on the topic of knowledgeable members, Iap is still a user on the wiki who has gone through the whole verse at least that is still I recently learned that it is connected with the Infinity series but that is honestly a whole other can of worms that would have to be dealt with on another thread
 
Should I send a notification to Iapitus as well?
 
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Antvasima said:
@catzlaflame

Seems to have revisions planned to improve the reliability.
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deonment said:
I mean, everything is fine as it is atm, the tiering is correct and the only thing needed is to downgrade the Goddesses to 1-A, the only thing that could be an issue is the PnA but that could be covered in other threads, and on the topic of knowledgeable members, Iap is still a user on the wiki who has gone through the whole verse at least that is still I recently learned that it is connected with the Infinity series but that is honestly a whole other can of worms that would have to be dealt with on another thread
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@Iapitus_The_Impaler

Would you be willing to help out here please?
 
Hi guys, i have finished 17 endings of this game a year ago.
I created respect thread of this verse in indonesia group named "Death battle indonesia" But the group was gone, and i've already deleted the scans.

I can't play the game to re-collect the scans again due to my RL activity are pretty busy right now.

But i can give some information :

There are 3 different kind of hierarchies in I/O :
  • Dimensional hierarchy
  • Marduk's dream
  • Mutsuki's dream

1. The infinite dimensional hierarchy which explained throught MWI & MWH is actually reside in single layer of marduk's dream and not explained as entire structure of marduk's dream hierarchy itself.

2. The infinite hierarchy in marduk's dream is more superior than higher dimensional hierarchy which each layer contain infinite higher dimensions.
For example : any finite dimension of higher layer > infinite dimensional of lower layer.
This is the reason why the IC's feels like they trapped in a loop when they ascending to Higher cluster/dream.

3. Mutsuki's / sakuya's dream which is infinitely greater than marduk's dream also exist. Mutsuki/sakuya's dream encompassess all of creation.
 
Laminitus said:
1. The infinite dimensional hierarchy which explained throught MWI & MWH is actually reside in single layer of marduk's dream and not explained as entire structure of marduk's dream hierarchy itself.

2. The infinite hierarchy in marduk's dream is more superior than higher dimensional hierarchy which each layer contain infinite higher dimensions.
For example : any finite dimension of higher layer > infinite dimensional of lower layer.
This is the reason why the IC's feels like they trapped in a loop when they ascending to Higher cluster/dream.

3. Mutsuki's / sakuya's dream which is infinitely greater than marduk's dream also exist. Mutsuki/sakuya's dream encompassess all of creation.
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How high would you say this scales? at best, I can possibly see 1A+, but I'm still a little unsure of it
 
Thank you for helping out Laminitus. I think that might be enough for low 1-A for Marduk‘s hierarchy.

Though yes it will likely need to be evaluated with a scan, don’t stress yourself out though.
 
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Tarang123 said:
How high would you say this scales? at best, I can possibly see 1A+, but I'm still a little unsure of it
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In my opinion, the marduk's dream equal to Outerversal hierarchy due to it's works similar to it.
The reason i think like that is because the layer transcendence are superior than dimensional transcendence.
So this would mean 1A+ in term of tier.

And mutsuki's hierarchy would be on High 1A layer.
 
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Wuhaoyu said:
The producers of the game produced never7, ever17 and remember 11，all three games take the player himself as a character in the game. If the majestic presence is the player's Avatar, it should be regarded as a tier that the 1-A characters cannot reach.
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No, majestic presence is absolutely a god of the verse.
He's not just silhouette character, the author itself won't created an image or even a name for a character which held the title of GOD.
It was explained throught character (yayoi).

That's the reason why majestic presence appearance always covered in White Light and his name never been stated.
 
Laminitus said:
Hola chicos, terminé 17 finales de este juego hace un año.
Creé un hilo de respeto de este verso en un grupo de Indonesia llamado "Death battle indonesia" Pero el grupo se había ido y ya borré los escaneos.

No puedo jugar el juego para volver a recopilar los escaneos debido a que mi actividad de RL está bastante ocupada en este momento.

Pero puedo dar alguna información:

Hay 3 tipos diferentes de jerarquías en E / S:
  • Jerarquía dimensional
  • El sueño de Marduk
  • El sueño de Mutsuki

1. La jerarquía dimensional infinita que se explica a través de MWI y MWH reside en realidad en una sola capa del sueño de marduk y no se explica como la estructura completa de la jerarquía de sueños de marduk en sí.

2. La jerarquía infinita en el sueño de Marduk es más superior que la jerarquía dimensional superior en la que cada capa contiene dimensiones superiores infinitas.
Por ejemplo: cualquier dimensión finita de la capa superior> dimensión infinita de la capa inferior.
Esta es la razón por la que los CI se sienten como si estuvieran atrapados en un bucle cuando ascienden al grupo / sueño superior.

3. También existe el sueño de Mutsuki / sakuya, que es infinitamente más grande que el sueño de Marduk. El sueño de Mutsuki / sakuya abarca toda la creación.
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QuasiYuri​

 
w/o scans I don't really have anything to say on the matter.
And I didn't read the VN to begin with anyway.
 
I will test whether my Chinese version archive can be used for the English version. If so, I can provide English image scanning.

What questions have about this game?
 
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