Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

[TheUnshakableOne]

The creator of this multiverse is Kurumada, because he is the main author of the franchise. The first work to introduce the concept of the multiverse to the franchise was Kurumada Suikuden.

What I mean in the fictional setting of saint Seiya. There is a special mechanic that creates the multiverse.

 

[AlexZiggy]

On the topic of the Shaka vs Shijima fight, can someone just post the damn raws already.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

On the topic of the Shaka vs Shijima fight, can someone just post the damn raws already.

The scans are in the description of Shaka's and Shijima's profiles in the Wiki.

 

[Hasty12345]

G has no feats of that level, his best feat was only destroying a small temple, and affecting small planets whose actual size is unknown, even they have no planetary level feats. Zeus' best feat is only killing the humans on the planet, because he doesn't even destroy the planet in any way.
5-B >>>>>>>>> Gods Episode.G >>>>>> Gold Saints.

Episode.G without feats of the classic and Sho is not impressive in any way, and the whole thing can be considered only as a hyperbole, because the characters never show the power they describe in that manga.

Because it is a description of Shun, who is watching the fight at the time.

When Hades was 4-B, and Athena is comparable in power to Hades

I’m going to ignore your G stuff as it’s clear you have not read the manga.

let me break Classic down for you:

libra weapon = star

12 x Libra weapon = 12 stars

Wailing Wall < 12 stars ~ 4-B ~ Hades

Libra weapons < Athena < Hades

Golds (about mountain to country level via feats) < 4-B Libra weapons < 4-B Athena < 4-B Hades

 

[Hasty12345]

On the topic of the Shaka vs Shijima fight, can someone just post the damn raws already.

The raws say the techniques are just representations of concepts. The feat is a representation of Buddhist concepts, no universes are being destroyed, there’s no basis for this. Just wank head canon. Shijima is also weaker than Cain who’s 4-B via statements, and likely stronger than Hades due to Ikki’s statement, which feat wise turns out to be consistent.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

I’m going to ignore your G stuff as it’s clear you have not read the manga.

let me break Classic down for you:

libra weapon = star

12 x Libra weapon = 12 stars

Wailing Wall < 12 stars ~ 4-B ~ Hades

Libra weapons < Athena < Hades

Golds (about mountain to country level via feats) < 4-B Libra weapons < 4-B Athena < 4-B Hades

I read that manga and even reviewed the raw, and from that I know that the feats in that manga are not impressive in any way, and there is no 4-B feat in the whole manga.

When was this described in the manga.

The raws say the techniques are just representations of concepts. The feat is a representation of Buddhist concepts, no universes are being destroyed, there’s no basis for this. Just wank head canon. Shijima is also weaker than Cain who’s 4-B via statements, and likely stronger than Hades due to Ikki’s statement, which feat wise turns out to be consistent.

The raw does not say that, and it is literally described by Shun that they are destroying and creating countless universes.

 

[Hasty12345]

You know what, perhaps Athena doesn’t scale to the 12 Libra weapons, I can’t think of why she’d be stronger.

perhaps Athena < star level, afterall, she needed the cosmo of 4 god saints and Seiya to weaken Hades to defeat him.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

You know what, perhaps Athena doesn’t scale to the 12 Libra weapons, I can’t think of why she’d be stronger.

perhaps Athena < star level, afterall, she needed the cosmo of 4 god saints and Seiya to weaken Hades to defeat him.

Why not scale to that, when she is stronger than his army.

Athena created five indestructible barriers to Hades' power.
Each of these barriers >>>>>>>> Hades

If she had not had to protect the Bronze Saints and use her power to create those barriers, the god would have only created one of those barriers in front of her and Hades would never have been able to touch her.

 

[Hasty12345]

Feats say otherwise. Athena is stronger than the Saints sure, but they only have country level feats. The Libra weapons are star level. Without scaling Athena to Hades, she probably maxes out at planetary, but “at least country level likely higher” is more accurate tbh

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

On the topic of the Shaka vs Shijima fight, can someone just post the damn raws already.

Got a question for you, Do you know how the Multiverse in SS is created?

This is important because its just another direct statement on why there is only 1 God in all of SS lol (well like 1 Hades, 1 Zeus, etc.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Feats say otherwise. Athena is stronger than the Saints sure, but they only have country level feats. The Libra weapons are star level. Without scaling Athena to Hades, she probably maxes out at planetary, but “at least country level likely higher” is more accurate tbh

What a feat, Athena is stronger than the Saints, and Thanatos literally destroyed those weapons with one attack. Unlike Pontus who could not destroy these weapons.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Honestly i can see both interpretations, It's a little vague, but I think the fact that It's said that Shaka and Shijima's attacks represent both the beginning and end of the universe do tilt things towards Hasty's side.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Got a question for you, Do you know how the Multiverse in SS is created?

This is important because its just another direct statement on why there is only 1 God in all of SS lol (well like 1 Hades, 1 Zeus, etc.

This is not important, because the branching universe does not indicate that there is only one god.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Going by ND, and GA "The Universe" could mean something a while lot bigger which will be covered by a blog i'll be making in the future.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Also G does have universe feats Lancelot, did you forget the fact that Titans had their own planet and universe each?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

This is not important, because the branching universe does not indicate that there is only one god.

Actually it is important for this. its not the most important thing though when we have balantant and direct scans that say it.

but i will only elaborate further if someone can tell me in their opinion how the Universes in the SS multiverse are created. not hasty though

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Also G does have universe feats Lancelot, did you forget the fact that Titans had their own planet and universe each?

Never real planets and we don't know the real size of those planets. And the Titans never created a real universe, they were only inside a temple, even when the place is destroyed the explosion only covers the size of a temple and only destroys a temple.

 

[Hasty12345]

What a feat, Athena is stronger than the Saints, and Thanatos literally destroyed those weapons with one attack. Unlike Pontus who could not destroy these weapons.

Those weapons were in the hands of saints who have not mastered the 7th sense.

also, you’re cross scaling with G when they’re different universes. Each universe has their own rules, you can’t assume the Libra weapons are the same tier.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Never real planets and we don't know the real size of those planets. And the Titans never created a real universe, they were only inside a temple, even when the place is destroyed the explosion only covers the size of a temple and only destroys a temple.

AOE Fallacy

 

[Hasty12345]

Never real planets and we don't know the real size of those planets. And the Titans never created a real universe, they were only inside a temple, even when the place is destroyed the explosion only covers the size of a temple and only destroys a temple.

This man just said what…..

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Those weapons were in the hands of saints who have not mastered the 7th sense.

also, you’re cross scaling with G when they’re different universes. Each universe has their own rules, you can’t assume the Libra weapons are the same tier.

wait HES CROSS SCALING wwwwwwhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuttttttttt

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

This man just said what…..

bruh x2

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Those weapons were in the hands of saints who have not mastered the 7th sense.

also, you’re cross scaling with G when they’re different universes. Each universe has their own rules, you can’t assume the Libra weapons are the same tier.

Weapons are described as having that power in the hands of the Bronze Saints.

Because they are described as having that power in that manga.

 

[Hasty12345]

This mans says every 2 hours bow cross scaling can’t be a thing then goes and cross scales smhmh

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

This mans says every 2 hours bow cross scaling can’t be a thing then goes and cross scales smhmh

When I did that.

Just accept it Episode.G has no impressive feats, and everything is powerscaling with the classic manga, Omega and Saintia Sho, which are the series of this franchise with more impressive feats. That's why you are so obsessed with cross-scale.

 

[Hasty12345]

Weapons are described as having that power in the hands of the Bronze Saints.

Because they are described as having that power in that manga.

Yes and guess who’s wielding them when they’re destroyed? Bronze saints wearing Gold cloths who do not have the 7th sense, this is all but confirmed in ND.

 

[Hasty12345]

When I did that.

Whenever is suits your narrative

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Yes and guess who’s wielding them when they’re destroyed? Bronze saints wearing Gold cloths who do not have the 7th sense, this is all but confirmed in ND.

Not at their highest level, that's why they even surpassed the power of the libra weapons when they destroyed the mainstay.

 

[Hasty12345]

When I did that.

Just accept it Episode.G has no impressive feats, and everything is powerscaling with the classic manga, Omega and Saintia Sho, which are the series of this franchise with more impressive feats. That's why you are so obsessed with cross-scale.

Classic has no feats.
sho has no feats.
Omega does have nice feats, but I don’t inherently agree with cross scaling toei and manga.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Classic has no feats.
sho has no feats.
Omega does have nice feats, but I don’t inherently agree with cross scaling toei and manga.

Classic is the manga with the best feats.
Sho has better feats than Episode.G.
Episode.G has no feats.
Omega is stupidly awesome in terms of feats.

 

[Hasty12345]

Classic has no feats. It’s the most downplayable shonen manga ever.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Classic has no feats. It’s the most downplayable shonen manga ever.

The whole franchise is downplayed (that happens when everything in this franchise is just descriptions that may be just hyperbole), something that is not new, that is why in Spanish, French and Portuguese forums it is never considered that the characters can destroy universes or galaxies in any way, although thanks to Sho and Omega some are beginning to consider that they may have that power.

 

[Hasty12345]

Classic is very “down to Earth” and is the manga with the worst feats.

All gold Saint scaling and statements are destroyed by the Libra weapons.

Poseidon has no feats aside from expanding his cosmo.

hades has no feats aside from being scared of the sun.

Most of Classic can be proven hyperbole without the other works.

 

[StekFence]

Without G Saint Seiya is beyond fodder. I find it absolutely hilarious you're implying otherwise.

I mean, i wouldnt say fodder... in terms of ap, U always have seiya downscaling from hades

 

[StekFence]

libra weapon = star

I mean, if u gonna take the libra weapons statement, u might as well talk about the multiple galaxy level statements for saga.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Classic is very “down to Earth” and is the manga with the worst feats.

All gold Saint scaling and statements are destroyed by the Libra weapons.

Poseidon has no feats aside from expanding his cosmo.

hades has no feats aside from being scared of the sun.

Most of Classic can be proven hyperbole without the other works.

Classic at least has the feats of Hades moving the planets of the Solar System and the creation of the world of the dead (which the author only makes bigger in the original manga), that's why the franchise is considered to be at least planet level. In contrast to Episode.G which does not have any feat of this level, the best feat of one of the strongest gods was only destroying the humanity of a planet like Earth, and Cronus threatens to extinguish the humanity with changes in time, because none destroys a planet in this whole manga.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I mean, if u gonna take the libra weapons statement, u might as well talk about the multiple galaxy level statements for saga.

Do you know how the universes in the multiverse of SS are creates ;~;

no one wants to answer the question and it makes me sad ;~;

 

[StekFence]

Do you know how the universes in the multiverse of SS are creates ;~;

no one wants to answer the question and it makes me sad ;~;

idk

 

[AlexZiggy]

Classic at least has the feats of Hades moving the planets of the Solar System and the creation of the world of the dead (which the author only makes bigger in the original manga), that's why the franchise is considered to be at least planet level. In contrast to Episode.G which does not have any feat of this level, the best feat of one of the strongest gods was only destroying the humanity of a planet like Earth, and Cronus threatens to extinguish the humanity with changes in time, because none destroys a planet in this whole manga.

Or, Mu destroying a galaxy sized dimension. That happened

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Or, Mu destroying a galaxy sized dimension. That happened

It only destroys the crack that Iapetos created and it is never said how big that thing is. Even the Starlight Extinction in that scene is not bigger than the tower of Mu, and Iapetos' best feat in that scene was to split the tower of Mu.