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BLEACH LOW 2C REMOVAL

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The Dangai can send people through time. It affect Rukia’s execution when the characters enter the Dangai and had more days than expected. It literally controls time.

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So i was unaware that this was being made. Probably won't be able to contribute much today. Beyond courtesy to arc, the other reason I asked for the prior threat to be closed is because I told tore a bit of my knee yesterday. I'm not going to be making much posts today
 
Wouldn't this make bleach's cosmolgy 2-C assuming that soul society is universal like the living realm? I have no idea anything about events past episode 365, so I can't help much.
 
Isn't Garganta is accepted as 4D space? Realms are inside the the Garganta. Kindly check the Bleach Cosmology it's already been updated.
 
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:

A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.

doesn't Garganta qualify for this?
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:

A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.

doesn't Garganta qualify for this?
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Yeah I was referring to this. Per Tiering system Garganta should be 4D space.
 
Lormac_CC said:
Destruction of past, present and future has always been a thing. I don't know if it was changed

By the way, since a bunch of people both here and outside of the wiki expressed some confusion as to what exactly this thread's proposal is, I'll say this just for clarity's sake: We are not changing the actual definition of Low 2-C, just applying some stricter standards so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.

This is from Ultima earlier this year
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If nothing was truly changed, then this thread can be closed. Honestly, the only real thing is to prove that there are anti-feats that would go against Low 2C in this case
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Don't bring other verses into this. It's about if Bleach meets the standards or not.
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:

A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.

doesn't Garganta qualify for this?
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Garganta is infinite space which contains all three realms inside of it. Wiki already accepted realms as universes. So Garganta should be 4D space. Yhwach was destroying the Garganta.
 
I mean, going by the literal explanation of the tier, and how the Dangai (a separate space time) is the boundary which will be destroyed and is large enough to contain both SS and WotL in Memories of Nobody, I don’t see how Yhwach and co don’t qualify for destroying a universal space-time?
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I took my extract straight from the tiering system tho?
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People misunderstand what a space-time continuum is, including you (no disrespect intended by that). The page doesn't explain it well.

It's been explained in this thread that it consists of every single point in time for that specific space.
Every point in time that it has existed and every single one where it will exist.

From what I'm seeing, people think Space-Time is just the 3d space with the flow of time, making it a 4d space, which is incorrect.

At most this is destroying a singular snapshot of the dimension, which would make it High 3-A.

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Please note. The standards have not been changed. People just misinterpret it and slap their own definitions on it.
 
KingTempest said:
People misunderstand what a space-time continuum is, including you (no disrespect intended by that). The page doesn't explain it well.
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I haven't stated anything in regards to what a space-time continuum is. I would appreciate not assuming what my stances are. All I said is that if garganta qualifies for what the tiering page says, then that's that. If it doesn't, then it should be explained why.
 
Lormac_CC said:
This is my stand

Affecting time would not make them high 3-A either, it's only 3-A. You need to affect the whole timeline to be low 2-C, so a destroy the universe with time included would qualify
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The valley of screams pulling in 2 dimensions(space-times) and was stated it was going to destroy them. In order to pull a dimension you have to pull space-time as well. The valley of screams dimension was also destroyed by senna. Which means the whole space-time was destroyed as well. You can also see portals in the space-time fabric popping up.

. These realms are also separated by a huge distance. Yhwach was moving these realms to merge them.Which again you have to move space-time as well to do so.

God900 said:
Becouse there is the possibility of only destroying the physical thing, But not the space-time, unless there is explicit truth, this feat is 3-A at most.
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Yhwach was destroying and merging all the dimensions into one. Each one being a space-time. If you destroy the dimension you also destroy the space-time along with. Which is also the timeline. Dimension=Space-Time.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
That's not true. It is just 3-A.
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My bad, I forgot these dimensions weren't accepted as infinite.

Yeah it'd be 3-A only
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I haven't stated anything in regards to what a space-time continuum is. I would appreciate not assuming what my stances are. All I said is that if garganta qualifies for what the tiering page says, then that's that. If it doesn't, then it should be explained why.
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:

A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.

doesn't Garganta qualify for this?
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Yeah the logic being used in this thread is quite bad.

What the OP is trying to say is if you are arguing for tier 2, it needs to be made clear that the destruction was not only affecting the present, but every snapshot of that universe, every uncountably infinite point, past present and future. If that is not shown or displayed, then it doesn't reach tier 2.

By that logic almost every 3-a feat in fiction becomes tier 2 if that 3-a universe also happens to have time.
 
I can't reply to all messages but here I will just say my thought, the garganta is not a 4D space, it is just a larger 3D space that can contain universe sized structure which is where their High 3A rating will come from since it is infinitely larger than a normal universe sized structure. And before you come and say it is a 4D space use this example
Thousands of people in a single room, everyone in the room is 3D and so is the room, the room is just a larger space. The same is said for the garganta
Now back to my point in the OP no one addressed.
This is the new standard
By the way, since a bunch of people both here and outside of the wiki expressed some confusion as to what exactly this thread's proposal is, I'll say this just for clarity's sake: We are not changing the actual definition of Low 2-C, just applying some stricter standards so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.
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The relevant part is bolded, so when yhwach was merging the three realms together, is there any evidence that he was also destroying the universe across the past and the future too?
It's a simple question tbh and none of you have answered and most of you don't even know what space time is and just think destroying a universe is low 2c, no it's not, you need to proof you are destroying infinite snapshot of the 3D space across the past and the future, that's low 2C.
And yes before you come here to say they called the universe a space-time, every ******* universe is a space time, every universe that changes occurs in is a space time, so please stop misusing it and all I ask for is was yhwach destroying the universe across the past and future too?
All relevant part are bolded (including this one)
 
LeSupremeKing1 said:
Yeah the logic being used in this thread is quite bad.

What the OP is trying to say is if you are arguing for tier 2, it needs to be made clear that the destruction was not only affecting the present, but every snapshot of that universe, every uncountably infinite point, past present and future. If that is not shown or displayed, then it doesn't reach tier 2.

By that logic almost every 3-a feat in fiction becomes tier 2 if that 3-a universe also happens to have time.
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That's the new wiki standard and logic, don't attack me
 
LeSupremeKing1 said:
By that logic almost every 3-a feat in fiction becomes tier 2 if that 3-a universe also happens to have time.
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You nailed it until you hit that last point.

The point is if you destroy the dimension in every point of time it exist in, it's tier 2.

Not "if you destroy a dimension and the dimension has time, its tier 2". If you destroy the dimension and its time throughout every point in history, then it'll reach tier 2.

Pain_to12 said:
That's the new wiki standard and logic, don't attack me
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It's not new. It's been like this. People just didn't know.
 
KingTempest said:
You nailed it until you hit that last point.

The point is if you destroy the dimension in every point of time it exist in, it's tier 2.

Not "if you destroy a dimension and the dimension has time, its tier 2". If you destroy the dimension and its time throughout every point in history, then it'll reach tier 2.


It's not new. It's been like this. People just didn't know.
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Yeah I was just saying the logic was bad, I don't agree with 3-a feats being tier 2 lmao, unless again the entire timeline is destroyed
 
KingTempest said:
You nailed it until you hit that last point.

The point is if you destroy the dimension in every point of time it exist in, it's tier 2.

Not "if you destroy a dimension and the dimension has time, its tier 2". If you destroy the dimension and its time throughout every point in history, then it'll reach tier 2.


It's not new. It's been like this. People just didn't know.
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If you destroyed the dimension. Then you would have destroyed it's space-time. If you destroyed it spatially then you would have destroyed it temporally as space-time are one.
 
Reio35 said:
If you destroyed the dimension. Then you would have destroyed it's space-time. If you destroyed it spatially then you would have destroyed it temporally as space-time are one.
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If I destroy a rock have I destroyed it temporally? I destroyed it spatially right?
 
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