you realize saying "All possible futures" means it's literally any future that can happen, right? Which means you can't change it to a different one or have another one form, because that would count toward one of the possible futures
You can't as it take account all infinite outcome, She doesn't account just hundred to thousand, she account
How do you know this? The future could very well be deterministic in our world and we wouldn't know the difference. How the future works changes from series to series, but in any case it wouldn't change anything.
technically if fate was real in real life, then it would be completely fixed since
You're ignoring "all possible futures". If only 1 possible future remains because they erased all others, then only that one can happen. You can't change something if it literally has to be that way via someone's ability unless you yourself have fate hax or causality hax or whatever to counter it.
Except, ya know, they're kinda doing both. Not that I support attacking him, I seriously don't, but they are countering his arguments, it's just happening about 5 more times then it should for each point. That's annoying.
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Fate isn't something linear in nature, the concept of the future is that it's always changing, always forming new outcomes and so on and so forth. The Future isn't something that can exist without the past or present, both of which are what determine the outcomes of the future. The Future in always directly influenced by the changes and actions made in the present, the arguments above assume that the future is something that just exists by itself without any relationship to the present, like it's something entirely independent.
First of all I dont even know where to start start this argument in particular since it's all objectively false and evidently so. Changing the future is something that literally anyone can do, Fate hax is the application of the manipulation of Fate to get a particular desired result, nothing more and nothing less. The future is something that's conventionally a result of the present and the actions made in said present time.
Because that's how it works? There's a reason why we have theories of time paradoxes, if there isn't no past then a future nor present can be created due to how time branches off. This isn't a difficult concept to comprehend. Temporal measurements like the Past, Present and the Future are all dependent on one another, without a past then a future cannot logically exist. The past is what determines the present, the present is what determines the future. I've never seen a work of fiction that deviates from this, and if there is feel free to actually post the example, because as far as I'm aware there aren't any that allow for the future to remain while the present are gone.
The present still remains which is what determines the sequence of events of the future, as long as the present remains new future's will be created based upon one's actions and such in the present, the future only changes and gets created due to the actions and choices that take place in the present. "All possible futures." is irrelevant whenever new one's spawn from simple actions and choices.
And I've already explained this several times above, the future doesn't determine itself what determines and forges the future is the present, there's no no thing as a future without a past or present. As long as there's a present then a new future can be forged by the slightest of actions.
I'm not ignoring anything, I'm taking that into consideration. Also seems pretty condescending of you to say that I'm ignoring it when I've addressed it several times. The future is something that's ever changing and ever generating from the actions made in the past and present, the confusion comes from you guy's not understanding that and instead replying with "needs fate hax." whenever the future is literally something we change every day BECAUSE of the present.
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this could get a bit philosophical, and I still completely
Not being mean but what you want to tell is not how the thing work for this person verse, she would never had a problem with Yagyuu if that was the case, and the numerous people in the verse that can see directly the futur would counter which is not the case. + In her verse litteraly what you described is counted as fate manipulation when she create a entirely new fate existed outside the scope of the infinite one existing for this action. The infinite one account the present one as like you tell present action can change the outcome (and i like showed a scan when she do a thing you tell, where she was able to counter raikou before raikou even think of doing her action)
I'm not talking about any particular verse at this point, I'm talking about general mechanics. And that's how it works in Nasu is irrelevant as that isn't applicable to other verses otherwise robots and chairs have souls in every Bleach match because that's how it works in verse.
Read above. I'm also not even talking about future sight countering fate hax, I'm solely talking about the future being something that changes and spawns from the actions set in the present.
It has do with philosophy we don't know how work futur and fate, Fate is destinity, destinity is having a predetermined futur. Meaning futur you can't change in first.
It absolutely isn't philosophy, we have multiple theories and a rough understanding of how the past, present and future work. This is something you made up to try to discredit what I said previously, Fate is another subject entirely.
No, it doesn't.
I'm not saying that or even loosely insinuating that, as she can kill her opponent's before they even get the chance to change anything. So yeah this is a blatant example of what we call Strawmanning.
The future is derivative of the present, that's irrelevant as I explained above.
Which doesn't counter what I said above.
Who are you referring to here? I'm not even talking about two particular characters, you're the only one who's still hung up on that Zoro vs Musashi thread, everyone has long since moved on. I'm talking about physics and that alone.
Yet again with the strawmanning huh? With my logic Fate manipulation would still indeed exist, Fate Manipulation is for the direct manipulation and alteration of Fate. You have control over your future based upon the actions you make, as I said this isn't remotely comparable to the outright manipulation of Fate itself so get that out your head.
Depends entirely on the Precognition, not all forms of Precognition are born the same. But for the sake of the argument, let's say Kenbunshoku Haki users wouldn't be able to avoid having their Fate's messed with unless it's minor Fate Manipulation that only works for 5 seconds into the future then yes they could.
Read above.
King Crimson's Fate hax is pretty minor in comparison to most people who have that ability lol.
You know what? Based, only correct answer actually.Depends on the mechanism and precedence, as fate is in no way one regulated thing in fiction. So case by case.
It's not something i "made up" we like too have theories that present/past/future doesn't exist and even less that their revelant in fiction.
Was referring to his precog
Fate manip that work only on 5sec are like mega rare, and if you try to talk about musashi then it would be false she can like chose the fight outcome from her possibility. She doesn't limited to 5sec fate. (She can litteraly use her eyes to see the other universe too)
If i give you the two perso precisely and the description of what their thing is, would you give your opinion otherwise it will never finish i think?Depends on the mechanism and precedence, as fate is in no way one regulated thing in fiction. So case by case.
When the **** did I say she can only fate hax for 5 seconds? Like what are you even talking about? Stop rambling.
