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(Beyond Multiversal is Hyperversal though...(In VSBW) (Though its first Complex Multiversal and then Hyperversal) but anyways)
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Alovenus and Ruphas downgrade
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Can someone explain why Alovenus is Low 1-A?
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they are concerned about the infinite in Yasei's fiction which they think is hyperbole, in my opinion it is fiction logic that cannot be equated with the real world, even in deathbattle, there are many things that cannot be connected with the real world.
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she literally said her attacks couldn't be negated/nullified
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The person who made this post was responding to a guy named MemeOx who was arguing with someone else about Alovenus being able to transcend infinity into higher levels (He was using feats from VSBW and using the scaling too, they also said he was someone popular on the site so..)From what I understand and have seen for myself: What the OP posted in the first page, belongs to Comic-vine, and said thread from Comic-vine, was made to debunk Alovenus or "The Last Wild Boss Appeared"`s Outerversal scaling ON Comic-Vine (Or 1-A simply speaking). It wasnt directed towards VSBW anyways, and the OP pretty much stole the text and such and pasted it here- But back to the origin of this: This debunk was mostly made about the character named Alovenus, along with Ruphas. Its an downgrade towards the verse, but at the same time it mostly downgrades Alovenus.
You could read the original thread, which is from Comic-Vine if you dont mind, to get an idea of the original post's thoughts. However, as most has said: The debunk doesnt really fit the VSBW's criteria or something, however, some, or many of the stuff used in the OP could be used in a proper CRT instead. Either way, this thread is pretty much of an argument over a thread from a different site
While it doesnt really fit the Wiki's standards, along with others who has said so as well if I remember correctly: It still points out the flaws of the verse, which in point makes Alovenus's Tier and Ruphas Tier - Questionable.
(In Vs Battle Wiki)
This is what I understand so far.
Here is where the original text originates from. (I can delete the link via editing my post if you dont want me to post the link here)
Alovenus (AWLBA) Disrespect thread - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine
Table of contentsIntroductionThe "infinity" claimsExaggerated abilitiesReality > fiction layers and dimensionsMiscellaneous (more hyperboles and mecomicvine.gamespot.com
Edit: Almost forgot to explain a bit more: There are people arguing against what the OP posted, as in, the one's that "Disagree" with it, while there are others that agree with what the OP said, and are arguing against the one's arguing against what the OP said (Those that Disagree)
Then there are like, few others that are neutral, but leaning towards agreeing with what the OP posted, or others that are just completely "neutral" in stance, I guess.
Another Edit: The original poster of that text/the thread basically, so to speak in his/her's summary, debunked the Outerversal scaling, to Multiversal (Not sure what exactly, but it seems to refer to mostly AP and stuff, like hax) and Infinite speed.
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“Fiction logic”. Thing is, we should be looking at all the evidence hinting at these things being mere hyperbole. Equating fiction logic isn’t enough to remove all the anti-feats.
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Oh, I see.
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People don't understand that this is how the wiki works. That is why we have things such as "countless into 1-B, and "high 1-B". Transcending in the tier, is being above baseline. What is so hard to understand?
Alovenus attacks cant be negated, or nullified because of her transcendence. Her avatars cant be nullified because they have smurf hax despite their dimensionality. I feel like comic vine rules and understandings are being brought here. If you go above infinite speed infinitely, that's accepted because its above the baseline. Alovenues/Ruphas can casually do this. Most the arguements in the OP are using quotes such as her being hurt, or struck by someone like Ruphas, etc. Ruphas is THE SAME as Aloevenus with her transcendence. Why would she not be able to affect Alovenus?
Alovenus attacks cant be negated, or nullified because of her transcendence. Her avatars cant be nullified because they have smurf hax despite their dimensionality. I feel like comic vine rules and understandings are being brought here. If you go above infinite speed infinitely, that's accepted because its above the baseline. Alovenues/Ruphas can casually do this. Most the arguements in the OP are using quotes such as her being hurt, or struck by someone like Ruphas, etc. Ruphas is THE SAME as Aloevenus with her transcendence. Why would she not be able to affect Alovenus?
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they don't really give arguments based on the vsbattle wiki, I don't think there should be a problem here because that's what the vsbattle wiki says
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Yeah vs wiki uses "baseline" for speed tiers, and overall tierings. So if someone transcends to an infinity above something else, that is seen as a feat, not hyperbole. It's not like they're going from 4D to 5D, but just to infinitely above baseline 1-B, or low1A. It's not like they go from high 1A, to tier 0. People call it illogical, but that's just how the wiki works
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They use Plot Manipulation to change "Settings", at will, and Alovenus can overlay Settings on top of Settings. That's why she's invincible.
If the opponent is strong, Alovenus will only transcend her a thousand times stronger, if the opponent's strength is infinite then Alovenus will transcend her multiply infinite. that's why their fight only transcend each other.
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Idk if this is enough to give a tier 1-B rating let alone low 1-A
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The OP doesn't give a clear purpose from what they want, but if I were to guess, they want a downgrade based on hyperbole, and things that are "illogical". For example, saying they're going "above infinite speed", which is "illogical". Or since they are beyond physics, they still punch each other and is considered illogical as well. However what they don't seem to understand is that you can be baseline, and then be above that, correct? For example Benetnash infinitely above infinite speed was surpassed, but they are saying since it was surpassed, that's illogical and shouldn't be used. To sum it up, I believe some what I'd assume IRL logic is being brought into the CRT.
The other thing is they provide evidence that should downgrade from low1A, that being unclear statements provided.
"A collision—The universe and the parallel worlds contained within one dimension were erased."
"A collision—The higher dimensions, which had been created by fusing an infinite number of similar dimensions, couldn’t withstand the shockwaves and were blown away."
-This should already be proof of higher, 4D dimensions be on an infinite scale
"Another collision—Even the super-high dimensions, which included many higher dimensions, shattered without a word."
-This is already showing there are higher dimensions above that, so any 2-A argument I see invalid
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It would be 1B at best
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Yeah, you can be countless infinities into a tier
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Now how that works. Each transcendence being countably infinite in nature goes against the higher dimensions working like higher dimensions, further downgrading the verse.
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They are 1-B, but transcend those higher dimensions and can destroy them
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their transcendence is uncountable infinite
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Yeah that is how it works doe, they are uncountably infinite like above
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That’s only 1B
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As long as the transcendence isn't uncountably infinite then no that's not even tier 1
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Alr, I was a little confused by what you said. Either way, I think the Low 1A rating should likely be removed.
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Im saying that as their tier 1. But the example wasn't centered around them, people are saying you can't be infinitely above infinite, so im addressing that
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they transcend to infinite^infinite higher dimensions btw
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Yeah no lmao they should be 2-A
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That would put them at high 1-B, as they transcend infinite^infinite higher dimensions, and keep transcending. Then they transcend those dimensions entirely in the final point
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Theres higher dimensions, and then dimensions above that, above the already infinite multiverse
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2-A is infinite to 2-B, which is finite to Low 2-C, which is infinite to even High 3-A, which is infinite to 3-A.
op already proved infinite false
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said dimensions are not higher infinites
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yeahh i totally agree with that, if they really use how the vsbattle wiki works then no problem with that.
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High 1B then
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They transcend high 1-B to the final point which contains all creation
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nope
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and in yasei there is something like that, but they think it's something like hyperbole, even though based on the vsbattle wiki there is something called "baseline"
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