That ain’t exactly correct though as they ain’t seperated spatio temporally though. They did describe it as being “two side of a coin” ie. They are a part of the bigger universe which has been shown by the very same scan I just posted here earlier.
I mean at this point, this thread does deserved to being closed as the info I brought up is mentioning the entire universe (not the multiverse though) and at the same time, it is more revolving around the cosmology of DBS being complicated if I gonna been honest since the arguments henge on the cosmology of DBS as well.
It's also described as an alternate dimension.
You are referring to the “polar opposites” part? If so, I gonna been honest even a alternative dimension can been part of the same universe as it did clearly establish they are not truly separated though.
so basically you need to be able to destroy an infinite amount of 3d universes to be universal+?
No, you need to destroy a high dimensional universe ie. 4D dimensional space in order for it to being counted as Low 2C.
No, an infinite amount of 3D structures would only be High 3A. 4D wouldn't be reachable even if you multiplied 3D by countable infinity and shit, it would be inaccessibly higher than that.
so basically being multi universal is considered high 3-A by the tiering system?
No, it will been high 3A since it involved a infinite 3D universe to begin with.
Ig...? If these universes are only 3D. If not, then it's 2C
It will been High Universal.
Infinitely small
then 1 dimension is countably infinite 0 dimensional level?
It will been Tier 11 C being zero dimensional space rather than 1 dimensional space.
I bring it up because base Vegeta did the feat and Goku in BoG couldn't tell the difference of him dropping out of SSG and into SSJ, so Goku would scale unless there's a belief that 1. Base Vegeta = Base Goku and 2. Base Vegeta > 50x SSJ BoG Goku
Yes.
ok well that's interesting
If I not mistaken, he already shown the evidence that show them outright mentioned the “universe” will been destroyed which is singular rather than plural.
high 3-A or low 2-C that is
Not necessarily.
Regardless you don't achieve Low 2-C through multipliers.
unless it's uncountably infinite
well heaven and hell universes, no? I'm not knowledgable on the actual lore of dragon ball I only really followed the power scaling tbh but I think they're universes. and the room of spirit and time is in the 4th dimension so
Heaven and Hell? Hmmm, I actually don’t remember them being stated as being the size of a universe ngl.
By two sides of the same coin, I don't believe it means by sharing the same space (or time) as they, again refer to it as separate dimensions. I believe in that context they mean its they are opposites as it as described as being a "polar opposite" and a place "where magic has more sway than science where there are evil makaiō", not literally under the mortal universe or anything.
Wait what?
I completely disagree with that ngl.
It wasn’t shown to being affected in the BOG fight though with Beerus and Goku though
entire universe
You're cutting off half of the entire scan, I already explained previously why i think in that context it wouldn't be referring to it literally sharing the same space, in response to you using the exact same part of the scan..
True on the scan part, but that also doesn’t explain why would they provide the map of the living world showning both the Outer Space that contains Earth and Demon Realm in the same space as it is clearly shown here. https://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/gods/universe/living_world_info.png?x48041.
Also rereading the info regarding the living world, it literally did stated the demon realm as being the “lower” part of the living world. This part isn’t even up to debate and I don’t see it supporting your point about it supposedly being on a different space than that of Outer Space.
Them being within the same universal globe does not mean they are connected, especially when the Outer Space is stated to be hermetically sealed from the other realms, and when the Other World is stated numerous times to be an extra-dimensional, spiritual world.
It is stated that the Demon Realm is an alternate realm opposite of the Outer Space.
The macrocosm globe was simply made so that readers could easily grasp it. It would be fallacious to say "it looks like its in the same space therefore it is", when we know by looking at other parts of this macrocosm that it is visually innaccurate (such as king kai's planet being visible on it, even though we know that it shouldn't due to it being vastly smaller than a normal planet, and its shown comparable to heaven which is as wide as the universe, the living world, and the kaioshin realm which is 1/10th of the entire macrocosm. Another example of it being visually inaccurate is that snake way appears to be half the length of the entire macrocosm, which is 1,000,000 km, which again should not be visually possible seeing as again its visible/comparable in the face of the macrocosm that contains things that are unfathomably bigger than 1 million km)
Can you at least provide the respective scans and sources regarding this?
