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Reality-Fiction difference is not the same as Higher Dimensional difference

Iamunanimousinthat said:
Personally I think a lot of this reality-fiction thing is hot air sometimes.

Unless the "real" character interacts with the "fictional" character and the fictional character retains their in-verse ability and it shown that the real character is unaffected by it and above it, then I can see the higher tier. But if that's not the case, then it's just unquantifiable.

"Character A sees Character B as fiction" okay? There are many examples where a "fictional" character interacts with "real" character and they view that fictional characters as fiction and they are not superior or above them in anyway and interact with them like normal peers.
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I believe Darksmash talked about this (tho, I could be wrong). However, R>F is usually treated as having superiority over the object viewed as fiction. However, there are cases like in DC where that doesn't apply. So, it does need more context, and consistency does need to be checked. Usually, tho, R>F is far more consistent than spatial dimensions when it comes to fiction.
 
Bernkastelll said:
Allow me to explain:

While the Reality-Fiction difference allows the person to see even infinite-dimensional hierarchies as fiction, the same cannot be applied to Higher-Dimensional difference let's see humans can see tier 0 hierarchies as literal fiction because we have reality-fiction interaction with them however the same logic does not apply to dimensionality because humans are tridimensional and if we are tridimensional a tier 0 hierarchy cannot be tier 0 because they are inferior to Tridimensional beings such as humans but when we use the reality-fictional fact it does makes sense so a character with reality-fiction difference doesnt matter in the verse should get that rating but the ones with higher dimensional difference doesnt

Agree: @My_area @Ionliosite @Darksmash
Inconclusive: @Delta333
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i agree.
 
InfiniteSped said:
If it's truly a reality-fiction difference, numbers of layers and size of cosmology shouldn't really matter, since they can always add as many layers as they want, and copy-paste the Mathiverse's description into the work, it's all fiction for them so doing it shouldn't take any effort no matter how outlandish they make it.
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I think that would only be considered 1-A, rather than Tier 0
 
I think you need existing hierarchies to get to Tier 0 due to layers of transcendence. So it would be 1-A unless the verse in question features a 1-A zone that still has the R-F thing going on. The Luminous Being would be Tier 0 with this justification, but not an author insert in a 2-C universe
 
Agnaa said:
How are there so many staff members in this thread without it getting moved to Fun and Games and/or being closed?
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I didn't even notice tbh.

Though idk if the OP is serious about the revision or not. If they are then we're not doing it.
 
do we really accept dimensional difference as transcendence or automatically assume that the difference between them are higher infinities? Since I'm pretty sure seeing something as 2-D is not automatically qualitative superiority. Like iirc seeing an High 1-B structure as fiction is enough for you to be 1-A, but seeing it as a lower dimension would simply make you just higher to High 1-B or low 1-A.

So pretty much, R>F is indeed qualitatively superior to dimensional difference.

Though not as much as the OP is proposing lol.
 
Infinity_Shun said:
do we really accept dimensional difference as transcendence or automatically assume that the difference between them are higher infinities? Since I'm pretty sure seeing something as 2-D is not automatically qualitative superiority. Like iirc seeing an High 1-B structure as fiction is enough for you to be 1-A, but seeing it as a lower dimension would simply make you just higher to High 1-B or low 1-A.

So pretty much, R>F is indeed qualitatively superior to dimensional difference.

Though not as much as the OP is proposing lol.
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uhhhhhh wha
 
We still talk about fictions right?
Feats why "reality - fictions gap" Its not HDE, and you using example like "we sees infinite dimensional structure being in anime etc as fiction"

Why? Its fictions my God
If u using "because there is a case where there is 2 universe with same dimensional structure, but A universe is seeing the others as fictions like cartoon, that doesn't mean the A universe was HDE because in A universe they're just sees it as cartoon, not actually reality fictions gap where A universe sees B universe as flat plane/fabric"
 
"reality - fictions" still can be one of HDE criteria

Like, universe A seeing B as fictions because B is actually a flat fabric reality for Universe A
 
You're right, realty-fiction difference is not the same as higher dimensional difference; it's lower.

It's pretty much a snazzy coat of paint added to characters being able to warp reality on a universal scale in a universe that isn't their own, but this isn't a superiority, they're still humans at the end of the day. Half of the time when this is properly explored, the "fiction" in question is just another universe in the multiverse.

Really, a reality-fiction difference should never be considered a superiority.
 
if you have RF, you have to look at the superiority feats of the lower dimensions, not just RF.

In our example, human being 3Dimension is bigger in terms of size than 2Dimension, but that doesn't mean we can adjust the 2nd dimension as we like.

It's different for Magi, there is RF and Ugo can adjust the system from its dimensions to the lower dimension, this is just the criteria.

But it's not that this RF isn't included in HDE
 
MeliezDonos said:
if you have RF, you have to look at the superiority feats of the lower dimensions, not just RF.

In our example, human being 3Dimension is bigger in terms of size than 2Dimension, but that doesn't mean we can adjust the 2nd dimension as we like.

It's different for Magi, there is RF and Ugo can adjust the system from its dimensions to the lower dimension, this is just the criteria.

But it's not that this RF isn't included in HDE
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That's what i said up there

CASE BY CASE​

 
Agnaa said:
You're right, realty-fiction difference is not the same as higher dimensional difference; it's lower.

It's pretty much a snazzy coat of paint added to characters being able to warp reality on a universal scale in a universe that isn't their own, but this isn't a superiority, they're still humans at the end of the day. Half of the time when this is properly explored, the "fiction" in question is just another universe in the multiverse.

Really, a reality-fiction difference should never be considered a superiority.
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Inb4 SCP 3812 becomes Low 1A.
 
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