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Omniman (TV) potential upgrade?

I don't know if I've ever actually heard of this conclusion. I'd much rather we just work with standard meteor speed if we have the mass. 11,000 km/s is standard for meteors, at minimum Nolan would scale to this since he'd have to stop it (though it seems likely he would have needed some time to do so, given Mark needs some time to slow a meteor far smaller). I'd be comfortable with this being a "possibly" or "likely" rating rather than something outright due to the unknown qualities of the feat.
 
Alright, but about the GBE? It is really hard to determine if Nolan scales for KE, but GBE is legitimate
 
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Do we know he threw it? Also GPE varies hugely depending on height, him stopping a meteor means that until that meteor goes back into free fall, then the energy does not apply (it's potential energy) So he overcame the meteor KE over an unknown time, and then threw it at an unknown speed from an unknown height.

I do not think this should warrant anything more than "Likely far higher"
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Alright, but about the GPE? It is really hard to determine if Nolan scales for KE, but GPE is legitimate
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How would he scale to GPE and not KE if he stopped it barreling towards Earth?
 
KieranH10 said:
Do we know he threw it? Also GPE varies hugely depending on height, him stopping a meteor means that until that meteor goes back into free fall, then the energy does not apply (it's potential energy) So he overcame the meteor KE over an unknown time, and then threw it at an unknown speed from an unknown height.

I do not think this should warrant anything more than "Likely far higher"
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No idea if he threw it, but if he stopped its KE then he still scales- that is the energy needed to stop something in motion.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
No idea if he threw it, but if he stopped its KE then he still scales- that is the energy needed to stop something in motion.
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Yes but it's over an unknown timeframe. We don't see Mark catch his meteor, but we see that he doesn't do it instantly.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Nolan did not change direction. He assimilates what Mark did (stopping a meteor and throwing it). There is a context
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How do you know that? He didn't say anything like that. He said he diverted the meteor. He didn't mention how he did it at all.
 
GPE is the energy of the entire free fall, which is why it is higher from higher heights iirc. So he did not withstand all of that energy, because the free fall was not over as it likely hadn't even reached the atmosphere yet.

KE is bust because we don't know the timeframe, and know less about Nolan's feat than we do about Marks, which isn't a lot already.

Throwing it has yet to be sourced, and assuming he threw it at any speed even comparable to the minute speed Mark threw his tiny meteor at is a hell of an assumption already.
 
I mean, if Omni-Man was diverting it, then he would have to be hit by it. Also, can't we just use 11200 m/s as a lowball given that is the average meteor speed?
 
We know nothing about the feat, we don't see him catch it, Nor do we see Mark. For all we know they flew against the meteor to not take the impact.

11km/s would apply to KE, but it was stopped over an undetermined time, so they don't scale to stopping its KE.
 
I don't think the feat can reliably be calculated, we know so little about it that it's simply one big assumption of a calc. Which is no more reliable than a simple "likely far higher" added on the profile.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
|U| = GMm/r
Mass = 1.4622013e+21Kg
Radius = 650955 meters
G = 6.67408e-11 Nm^2/kg^2
Energy = 2.1920718e+26 Joules (High 6-A)

Regardless of what Nolan did, he stopped the meteor, which is necessary to exceed the GBE
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You need to multiply it by 0.6

Edit: oh, you meant GPE? In that case just calculate KE using second escape velocity. It's gonna be equal to the maximum GPE.
 
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I’m not reading this entire thread but somebody likely said what I’m about to say.

1. How does a feat from Nolan’s chronological past end up as an outlier just because it doesn’t match the feats we see on the show which it LONG pre-dates?

2. How are we using Mark who’s just awakened his powers and is in TRAINING as a measuring stick for how Nolan supposedly did his own meteor feat?

These reasons are absolute jokes.

It still is a feat. Even if he diverted the meteor by an inch from a light-year away to save earth, it still has useable values.
 
The ladder reason is because we literally don't know she about precisely how Nolan did his meteor feat other then he did it.
 
DaReaperMan said:
The ladder reason is because we literally don't know she about precisely how Nolan did his meteor feat other then he did it.
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Nolan says to mark “now just throw it back into space”. If he’s speaking from experience then we can easily find a value from throwing a texas-sized meteor at reentry speeds. Of course nothing is exact but Occam’s razor would suggest at the minimum, Nolan’s feat = Mark’s feat ^2
 
No.

First off, Mark threw his tiny meteor at equally tiny speeds, the clip is higher in this thread if you wish to re-look. But mark threw that meteor at like 3m/s absolute tops.

Assuming Nolan threw a meteor millions of times larger, and then assuming he threw it thousands of times faster than Mark, is not happening.

Equally Mark took time to slow his tiny meteor. Assuming Nolan did not do the same with the enormous meteor isn't an assumption that's gonna work.
 
KieranH10 said:
No.

First off, Mark threw his tiny meteor at equally tiny speeds, the clip is higher in this thread if you wish to re-look. But mark threw that meteor at like 3m/s absolute tops.

Assuming Nolan threw a meteor millions of times larger, and then assuming he threw it thousands of times faster than Mark, is not happening.

Equally Mark took time to slow his tiny meteor. Assuming Nolan did not do the same with the enormous meteor isn't an assumption that's gonna work.
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Pushing Texas with a minimum of 1km in height and at 1m/s is still a tier 7 feat.
 
I'm not arguing about the tier, it can be whatever tier as long as it's valid.

The problem is that the calc is one big assumption, which is no more reasonable than a simple "likely far higher" rating
 
I still think at least LS can be calced. I mean even if he moved the meteor over a period of 24 hours and at a distance of 1cm it would still be way more than class M
 
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