Some Random One Piece CRT

[KingTempest]

So Trebol can snipe flies.

Bro

 

[Eminiteable]

So Trebol can snipe flies.

Bro

All this proves is Robin believes Trebol > Tonatta's and that he would notice them.

 

[XDragnoir]

It's not that, it's that DJ has shown a smaller amp in general than the raid suit amp showcased in Wano.
DJ hasn't shown any super massive amps while the Raid suit has, which would put it that high.
Sanji uses DJ against people he matches in base and doesn't do any damage. Sanji used raid suit and bodied someone who took his base hits with no issues.

Not really? Pre-TS DJ was a massive boost, Post-TS he did damage to Amped Wadatsumi without DJ so there isn't much we can get from this fight, but he did more damage to Vergo with DJ, he drew blood from Vergo all 2 (or 3) times he used DJ while he was clashing equally otherwise.

But against P1? I have no idea how this is that much different from this, aside from the black lightning in the attack with the speed boosters they are pretty much the same, if there was some blood i would agree that the RS is "way above" but i didn't see any.

And about his feats inside Onigashima, first we have his clash with Base King where he was relative to King (RS), after that we have him doing to Zoan Queen more or less the same he did to P1 (DJ), i really don't see RS as > DJ they are either equal or relative.

Also, about Hybrid vs Full Zoan, i think at least P1 seems to have more dura while Full than while Hybrid (he didn't scream while in Full Zoan after all)

 

[KingTempest]

Check the comment.

I said nevermind

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Check the comment.

I said nevermind

Oh shit, lemme delete that RQ. Should we explicitly make some confusing things more clear, like gear third > snakeman, because some people will be stubborn and ignore the actual feats, or should we let it be

 

[KingTempest]

Not really? Pre-TS DJ was a massive boost, Post-TS he did damage to Amped Wadatsumi without DJ so there isn't much we can get from this fight, but he did more damage to Vergo with DJ, he drew blood from Vergo all 2 (or 3) times he used DJ while he was clashing equally otherwise.

The damage he did to Vergo was minimal. Sanji called him a mass of iron after he kicked him with Diable Jambe and saw that he was good.
He jumped Wadatsumi alongside Jinbe and only landed a relevant Diable Jambe hit after Jinbe sent water throughout his body.

But against P1? I have no idea how this is that much different from this, aside from the black lightning in the attack with the speed boosters they are pretty much the same, if there was some blood i would agree that the RS is "way above" but i didn't see any.

The first one is Page One, off guard, eating a building and its food, getting kicked in the head, then he gets up and shakes off the minimal pain, while off guard.
The second one is Page One, less off guard than before, immediately right after attempting to bite Sanji and he knows that there's an enemy, ends up getting kicked in the chest (which is far more durable than a head), and the immense shockwave with blue lightning (any lightning in a strike signifies a super hard strike) shows that the attack had massive force, unlike his base kick, and it clearly did more damage, causing him to scream.

And about his feats inside Onigashima, first we have his clash with Base King where he was relative to King (RS), after that we have him doing to Zoan Queen more or less the same he did to P1 (DJ), i really don't see RS as > DJ they are either equal or relative.

This would be Onigashima then. Different forms can have different amps depending on the timeframe.

Also, about Hybrid vs Full Zoan, i think at least P1 seems to have more dura while Full than while Hybrid (he didn't scream while in Full Zoan after all)

He didn't scream in Hybrid either. Heck, he screamed in Full and not in hybrid

 

[KingTempest]

Oh shit, lemme delete that RQ. Should we explicitly make some confusing things more clear, like gear third > snakeman, because some people will be stubborn and ignore the actual feats, or should we let it be

Arslan, it is clear enough on the profiles.

At least Mountain level+, Large Mountain level with Gear 2nd, higher with Gear 4th Snakeman (Stronger than Gear 2nd), Island level with Gear 3rd (Matched an attack from an Awakened Katakuri), higher with Gear 4th Bound-Man (Far stronger than Gear 3rd), far higher with Strongest Attacks (At least 4x stronger than Gear 3rd)

If they make a CRT, we'll explain.

We don't need to tackle this again.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Arslan, it is clear enough on the profiles.



If they make a CRT, we'll explain.

We don't need to tackle this again.

Sounds fine to me then

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Base Luffy with no haki while injured kicked Trebol through all his snot and sent him flying and said "stay out of this".

Robin scales to Gear 2nd Luffy.

Trebol scaling up there is a no.

And Trebol immediately recovered after the kick (and let's not forget he was blindsided by Luffy while he was trying to go help Doffy in the first place), because by the next page he was screaming Doffy's name when Law used Counter Shock. Luffy's attack did absolutely nothing to him.

Robin scales to Gear 2nd Luffy for inflicting damage on the Green Dragon, yes. And Robin still viewed Trebol as a serious threat.

No.

Trebol and his squad is full of non AP fighters.
Giolla turns people into drawings.
Sugar turns people into toys.
Viola can see far.

Trebol's entire team has unknown ratings because they're meant to not be AP fighters.

As one of Doflamingo's Elite Officers, who are all stronger than the lower-ranked officers, the AP of Trebol's squad has absolutely nothing to do with his own AP. So don't even try it.

Now he gets 1 statement and he's supposed to scale that high because of it, when everything else says otherwise?

Trebol and Robin had a briefly even clash in Chapter 744, so there's more than just 1 statement. His AP should at least scale to hers.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I could see trebol scaling there, but where would usopp's durabilty be at? I think it would be 7-B still off of caesar's gastanet

but then again i dont fully agree with trebol scaling to h7A

 

[KingTempest]

And Trebol immediately recovered after the kick (and let's not forget he was blindsided by Luffy while he was trying to go help Doffy in the first place), because by the next page he was screaming Doffy's name when Law used Counter Shock. Luffy's attack did absolutely nothing to him.

Trebol has Kenbunshoku haki and "crazy observational abilities" right? "Blind sided" shouldn't even apply here.

So because he can scream means he's fine? But you're tryna scale him above/to the AP of Robin even though he has no AP feats at all.

Robin scales to Gear 2nd Luffy for inflicting damage on the Green Dragon, yes. And Robin still viewed Trebol as a serious threat.

Doflamingo sees Usopp as a serious thread. Threat ≠ AP

As one of Doflamingo's Elite Officers, who are all stronger than the lower-ranked officers, the AP of Trebol's squad has absolutely nothing to do with his own AP. So don't even try it.

The ratings of the lower-ranked officers are 32x lower than the ratings of Robin. This is not anything for him to be proud about.

Trebol and Robin had a briefly even clash in Chapter 744, so there's more than just 1 statement. His AP should at least scale to hers.

He threw an attack at her and did no damage and she blocked it with a few hands, while she needed hundreds to thousands to scale to where she currently scales.

He stopped attacking and was scared shitless when he saw Hajrudin, who scales to the other lower level goofs in AP. Saying that a special ability fighter should scale above the martial artists in AP is like saying that Sugar should scale relative to the others because they're the same rank.

He has no AP feats and no statements correlating him to Robin. He has nothing up there. He got sent flying by base injured no haki Luffy. If he scaled up there, he would've scaled above the guy who sent him flying while he was in peak health.

 

[KingTempest]

I could see trebol scaling there, but where would usopp's durabilty be at? I think it would be 7-B still off of caesar's gastanet

but then again i dont fully agree with trebol scaling to h7A

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS?

cope

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Trebol has Kenbunshoku haki and "crazy observational abilities" right? "Blind sided" shouldn't even apply here.

So because he can scream means he's fine? But you're tryna scale him above/to the AP of Robin even though he has no AP feats at all.

Doflamingo sees Usopp as a serious thread. Threat ≠ AP

The ratings of the lower-ranked officers are 32x lower than the ratings of Robin. This is not anything for him to be proud about.

He threw an attack at her and did no damage and she blocked it with a few hands, while she needed hundreds to thousands to scale to where she currently scales.

He stopped attacking and was scared shitless when he saw Hajrudin, who scales to the other lower level goofs in AP. Saying that a special ability fighter should scale above the martial artists in AP is like saying that Sugar should scale relative to the others because they're the same rank.

He has no AP feats and no statements correlating him to Robin. He has nothing up there. He got sent flying by base injured no haki Luffy. If he scaled up there, he would've scaled above the guy who sent him flying while he was in peak health.

yeah this makes sense.

 

[KingTempest]

cope

I'm not ******* playing tonight

For the past 10+ pages, every ******* page, you bring up the same shit.

When it doesn't involve Usopp, you bring it up.
When we're talking about someone, you bring it up.

We're having a conversation about a single character, and instead of you waiting until it's resolved or until we've made sufficient progress, you ask about Usopp's dura. Not a damn soul is referencing this except you.

You are the reason why this CRT is 14 pages long. All you've done is given paragraphs about nothing against Damage and fill up pages asking about Usopp and Trebol. We are past that, either choice has been accepted. The issue is the fact that you don't know how to stop talking about the same ******* subjects back and forth and left and right.

Didn't you say that you weren't going to talk on this CRT unless someone was going to respond to you?

.(last comment from me on this crt unless somebody responds to my old ones)

Follow up on your own statements.

I'm ******* sick and tired of your carefree attitude. We're trying to conclude a CRT and you bring up THE SAME EXACT SHIT THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR THE PAST WEEK. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AND ACCEPTED IT, and some things take your own personal discretion instead of filling up the CRT with the same comment back and forth.

Jesus, not everything is a joke

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I agree with Tempest FRA.

 

[KingTempest]

I'm going to sleep

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I'm not ******* playing tonight

For the past 10+ pages, every ******* page, you bring up the same shit.

When it doesn't involve Usopp, you bring it up.
When we're talking about someone, you bring it up.

We're having a conversation about a single character, and instead of you waiting until it's resolved or until we've made sufficient progress, you ask about Usopp's dura. Not a damn soul is referencing this except you.

You are the reason why this CRT is 14 pages long. All you've done is given paragraphs about nothing against Damage and fill up pages asking about Usopp and Trebol. We are past that, either choice has been accepted. The issue is the fact that you don't know how to stop talking about the same ******* subjects back and forth and left and right.

Didn't you say that you weren't going to talk on this CRT unless someone was going to respond to you?

Follow up on your own statements.

I'm ******* sick and tired of your carefree attitude. We're trying to conclude a CRT and you bring up THE SAME EXACT SHIT THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR THE PAST WEEK. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AND ACCEPTED IT, and some things take your own personal discretion instead of filling up the CRT with the same comment back and forth.

Jesus, not everything is a joke

I can bring up whenever however I want, just because it’s accepted to you doesn’t mean I can’t bring up shit again, it’s a free wiki so I can say whenever, whenever I need to, as long as I’m not breaking rules. You have no right to tell me if I can’t repeat something, if you want to be annoyed about it, go ahead, I don’t give a ****.

Also, me saying I wasn’t gonna comment was because of other reasons, and I felt like commenting it again, wasn’t it obvious enough to you? I can repeat things if I want to, reference things if I want to, I’m allowed to, I’m not breaking any rule, just because you explained something with that much information doesn’t mean it’s ******* accepted, I highly doubt damage agrees with it, so you don’t get to decide that.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

I decided to read the scene and Robin's concern is completely taken out of context. she's concerned for the Tonatta's as Trebol was able to view a fly from far away telling her that Trebol would undoubtedly notice them. Trebol has no reason to scale to Robin for this.

Nothing that I said took Robin's concern completely out of context. If all she was worried about was Trebol simply noticing them, why was the first thing she brought up was his physical abilities rather than his observational abilities? And Trebol and Robin clashed evenly in Chapter 744 before they were interrupted by the giant.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Nothing that I said took Robin's concern completely out of context. If all she was worried about was Trebol simply noticing them, why was the first thing she brought up was his physical abilities rather than his observational abilities? And Trebol and Robin clashed evenly in Chapter 744 before they were interrupted by the giant.

I’m pretty sure tempest already tackled that last aspect.

 

[KingTempest]

Don't even say my name and shut up

 

[joshpiece]

as long as I’m not breaking rules

It’s derailing the conversation that is against the rules… you bringing up the same topic over and over again when we are past it is almost intentional stonewalling/derailment.

It might not be intentional but I do agree with tempest that it needs to stop.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Don't even say my name and shut up

Shut up about what? If anything I’m trying to explain you already tackled that point to move it forward. I don’t have to shut up as long as I’m not breaking a rule, so don’t tell me that.

 

[Eminiteable]

Nothing that I said took Robin's concern completely out of context. If all she was worried about was Trebol simply noticing them, why was the first thing she brought up was his physical abilities rather than his observational abilities? And Trebol and Robin clashed evenly in Chapter 744 before they were interrupted by the giant.

He shot a fly with an explosions, robin is concerned about his physical abilities because she probably doesn't want the tonatta's to die. It's such a simple scene to understand I have no clue why you're trying to make it something that it isn't.

That's not a clash, that's Robin blocking him.

 

[joshpiece]

I apologize if I do, but I’m genuinely also trying to get this CRT moving,

You might have the want to get the crt moving but you are factually doing the absolute opposite.

Bottom line is everybody wants to get this crt done let’s all just try to get things done and not bring up points from page 1.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

You might have the want to get the crt moving but you are factually doing the absolute opposite.

Bottom line is everybody wants to get this crt done let’s all just try to get things done and not bring up points from page 1.

I edited what I said above. And alright then I just won’t say anything unless it’s something new then.

EDIT: Nvm im uncomfortable saying that publically

 

[joshpiece]

I edited what I said above. And alright then I just won’t say anything unless it’s something new then.

No problem Let’s all just work to get this crt done and leave personal issues out of it.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

No problem Let’s all just work to get this crt done and leave personal issues out of it.

yeah i deleted it cause i dont want it to be public but for that instance i had to cause i got pissed, but its fine now.

MB for derrailing, at times, since i dont realize it due to that issue, but sometimes i genuinely do repeat things to address something else, not to derail it.

Anyways yeah I think that would be fine to do

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Trebol has Kenbunshoku haki and "crazy observational abilities" right? "Blind sided" shouldn't even apply here.

So because he can scream means he's fine? But you're tryna scale him above/to the AP of Robin even though he has no AP feats at all.

Doflamingo sees Usopp as a serious thread. Threat ≠ AP

The ratings of the lower-ranked officers are 32x lower than the ratings of Robin. This is not anything for him to be proud about.

He threw an attack at her and did no damage and she blocked it with a few hands, while she needed hundreds to thousands to scale to where she currently scales.

He stopped attacking and was scared shitless when he saw Hajrudin, who scales to the other lower level goofs in AP. Saying that a special ability fighter should scale above the martial artists in AP is like saying that Sugar should scale relative to the others because they're the same rank.

He has no AP feats and no statements correlating him to Robin. He has nothing up there. He got sent flying by base injured no haki Luffy. If he scaled up there, he would've scaled above the guy who sent him flying while he was in peak health.

Now all the times in One Piece characters with Kenbunshoku Haki still managed to get hit or blindsided, but all of sudden it doesn't apply just because it's Trebol? Funny.

When you show me proof that Base Luffy's kick actually seriously injured Trebol, I'll concede. Until then, I stand by my point he was completely fine after it happened.

I'm sorry, but the Doflamingo/Usopp point is a ridiculous comparison. Of course Doflamingo would see Usopp as a serious threat when he wasn't there to see how everything actually went down when Usopp knocked out Sugar and undid everything. Meanwhile, Robin and Trebol are in the same building when she concluded he was a threat.

Okay.

If you're talking about that attack Robin used to damage the Green Dragon, that wasn't hundred to thousands hands she used. That was just four large arms she grew out of forty regular-sized ones. You also see 4 large arms in the panel where she blocked Trebol's attack (from what we can see in the panel).

Scared shitless? I don't see it. Surprise or shock? Yes. And Trebol wasn't some mere special ability fighter like Sugar, Viola, and Giola. Did you forget that Trebol was also Sugar's personal bodyguard and had both forms of haki?

You love bringing up 'Injured and Tired Base Luffy sent him flying w/o haki' when it comes to Trebol, but you never love remembering how it actually went down, do you? For example, Trebol was already in mid-flight and had already flew by Luffy when he was kicked from behind and then 'sent flying'. That kick didn't prove in the slightest that Base Luffy scaled above Trebol, especially 'Injured and Tired' Base Luffy.

 

[CinCameron20]

Is what is there for Page 1 better now?

Personally, I'd just say his Base form is "unknown" while his Zoan transformations in general get whatever tier.

His 6-C comes from being > RS Sanji's AP (6-C) which upscales from High 7-A+, right?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Personally, I'd just say his Base form is "unknown" while his Zoan transformations in general get whatever tier.

His 6-C comes from being > RS Sanji's AP (6-C) which upscales from High 7-A+, right?

yeah it does

 

[CinCameron20]

Considering Robin takes on Trebol multiple times after this, I agree she's not afraid of Trebol's abilities. That wasn't what I was trying to say. All I'm saying is that her statement suggests that Robin considers Trebol a serious threat.

Robin has been very passive with Trebol, avoiding him at any point during their engagements. She lured him away instead of clutching him, and then used a clone to distract him. Lastly, she was on the defensive against him despite apparently being vastly above him.

I would genuinely say that is enough to suggest a "possible" rating for the sole fact Trebol was a concern for Robin, who is otherwise very confident in her abilities.

 

[Damage3245]

Will post my analysis of the sandbox today.

 

[Stefano4444]

Scaling pica to the KE of his golem that would support him being confident of taking down Fuji ( since the KE of his golem iirc is 60+ Gigatons while fujis strongest meteor is 46 Gigatons) and him being the strongest member of the group.

Where did you get that value for Golem Pica?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Where did you get that value for Golem Pica?

I don’t think they’re doing it since king said nvm

 

[XDragnoir]

He didn't scream in Hybrid either. Heck, he screamed in Full and not in hybrid

Now that you said it, P1 screams in both, it's right above Law's head in the final panel of their fight, anyway, whatever.

 

[Damage3245]

Giolla, Charlotte Brulee, Caeser Clown & Buffalo

Both of these characters scale to Nami for surviving a lightning bolt from her.

Giolla:

Durability: At most Large Mountain level (Although inferior, she took a lightning bolt form Nami)

Charlotte Brulee:

Durability: Large Mountain level (Survived a lightning bolt attack from Nami when caught off-guard and recovered in a short period of time)

The same feat is true for Caeser Clown, Baby 5 and Buffalo who were struck directly by Nami's lightning. Of the three of them, the only one knocked out was Baby 5, so her not scaling even though she survived is somewhat reasonable.

Right now however Buffalo and Caeser Clown are scaling to City level. It doesn't make any sense for Brulee and Giolla to be Large Mountain level for the exact same feat that Buffalo and Caeser Clown went through.

Ideo & Don Sai

Sai survived an attack from Monkey D. Luffy which is why he has the durability rating he has:

Durability: Large Mountain level (Took an off guard kick from Gear 2nd Luffy which sent him flying out of the coliseum ring), higher with Haki

Ideo, who survived an attack from Chinjao the same way as Sai, should be scaling as well instead of his current rating:

Durability: City level (Can withstand the force of his explosions without any problems)

Additionally, Ideo was capable of harming Don Sai during their fight in the coliseum and Don Sai currently has Large Mountain level durability.

Nami

Durability: Large Mountain level (Presumably took hits from Amande, who could cut through Perospero's Candy Wall)

Why "presumably took hits from Amande"? When did Nami have to take hits from Amande?

Zoro

Durability: Island level (Can block hits from those who can match his AP), far higher with Armament Haki, even higher with Asura

This justification should be more specific.

King

Durability: Island level (Can take hits from those who can match his Attack Potency)

This justification should be more specific.

Momonga

Attack Potency: Likely High 7-A (He should be at least comparable to Vergo and Smoker. He could contend with the Whitebeard Pirates and their Alliance)

Why should Momonga be comparable to Vergo and Smoker? Since when are all Vice Admirals comparable to each other?

Durability: Likely Large Mountain level via powerscaling (Withstood attacks from various opponents during the Marineford war)

This justification should be more specific.

Usopp

Attack Potency: Varies (Uses various types of weapons and special ammunition [see list below]), at most City level (Can harm those who hurt him)

This justication should be more specific.

Orlumbus

Attack Potency: City level (Scaling from his durability. Shouldn't be far weaker than the others Strawhat's Grand Fleet members)

You can't scale Attack Potency from Durability that way. And where is the evidence that he isn't weaker than the other members of the Grand Fleet?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Giolla, Charlotte Brulee, Caeser Clown & Buffalo

Both of these characters scale to Nami for surviving a lightning bolt from her.

Giolla:



Charlotte Brulee:



The same feat is true for Caeser Clown, Baby 5 and Buffalo who were struck directly by Nami's lightning. Of the three of them, the only one knocked out was Baby 5, so her not scaling even though she survived is somewhat reasonable.

Right now however Buffalo and Caeser Clown are scaling to City level. It doesn't make any sense for Brulee and Giolla to be Large Mountain level for the exact same feat that Buffalo and Caeser Clown went through.

Ideo & Don Sai

Sai survived an attack from Monkey D. Luffy which is why he has the durability rating he has:



Ideo, who survived an attack from Chinjao the same way as Sai, should be scaling as well instead of his current rating:



Additionally, Ideo was capable of harming Don Sai during their fight in the coliseum and Don Sai currently has Large Mountain level durability.

Nami



Why "presumably took hits from Amande"? When did Nami have to take hits from Amande?

Zoro



This justification should be more specific.

King



This justification should be more specific.

Momonga



Why should Momonga be comparable to Vergo and Smoker? Since when are all Vice Admirals comparable to each other?



This justification should be more specific.

Usopp



This justication should be more specific.

Orlumbus



You can't scale Attack Potency from Durability that way. And where is the evidence that he isn't weaker than the other members of the Grand Fleet?

Makes sense to me, these are reasonable errors

 

[KingTempest]

Before I answer, thank you for taking your time and going through the ratings. Those were 83+ characters and even I hate skimming through them for errors.

 

[Damage3245]

No problem. That's why I wanted to wait until I had some spare time.