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Because the second time Luffy was applying force back to Cracker's stab and the third time Tank Man is > Bounceman dura wise?
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Some Random One Piece CRT
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Doesn't make a difference if he's in the biscuit soldier or not, that doesn't make it as strong as him.
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This was also brought up in the Doffy thread, I really don't get why we're trying to make this thread bigger than it needs to when this was already covered very recently.
Doflamingo blocking the off-white is just a Durability feat and even then later in the fight Luffy breaks through it with a no named attack.
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Doffy should just get h7a+ ap and that’s it for now
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Why would he get H7A+ AP?
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Read it above, already explained myself
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So when I tried to back scale Ace from WB for scarring him y’all said no, but y’all scaling Doffy to Luffy for dealing minimal damage…
My god
My god
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So basically my point about Cracker only being able to cut through Luffy's haki when he's off-guard remains correct.
But I do agree about Tank Man being more durable than Bound Man, and I admit I went a little overboard using that form of Luffy's to try and prove my point about Cracker lol.
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Not true. Being off guard doesn’t suddenly lower your durability for armament haki, it’s literally like an armor. It already got explained that luffy was using force back.
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At what point does a person not scale with their durability when they're hit by an attack? What's the threshold? I understand some basic ones like if the attack completely pierces them without resistance like Big Mom's attack on Ulti, or if they're killed outright, but what about situations where they're hit by an attack and neither of those happens? Like if they get hit dead-on but they remain conscious and still able to move / talk?
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Last two times something was "currently in the box" it wasn't actually valid (but i did find Katakuri blocking G3 without haki so i guess his scaling is valid).
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Of course a Biscuit Soldier itself isn't as strong as Cracker himself, but while he was fighting inside it against Luffy, Cracker was clearly using his actual strength and haki. So yes he got overpowered by Bound Man, and twice at that.
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It’s not updated
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No, when he's not attacking he's fine. Big difference from off-guard and not attacking.
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Why would that be the case? Him being inside it wouldn't grant it his physical strength, it's still made our of biscuits and has several arms. Yes Cracker can clad the biscuit soldier with his haki but all that means is:
Real Cracker with the real Pretzel > Biscuit Soldier with the fake Pretzel.
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1. First of all, let's get something straight. I never once actually outright said being off-guard suddenly lowered one's durability for Armament Haki. In fact, that was never even what I was trying to argue when I brought it up. Even when I asked Eminiteable to explain why Cracker couldn't do this and that, that wasn't what I meant.
2. Right, when Luffy used force (Kong Gun) as Cracker tried to cut him, he couldn't pierce through his haki with his own like we all saw when he cut through his arm after he came out of his armor while Luffy was trying to pull his arm back in. Yes, Cracker is capable of cutting through Luffy's haki, I never once denied that. All I'm arguing is that he can't do it through head-on engagements because BM Luffy is too physically superior for him to do so. Also, some of you seem to be forgetting that it was stated that as Bound Man even in his Armament Haki state his body is still rubber, and that's another reason why Cracker was able to cut him since Luffy's body has always been vulnerable to sharp objects like swords.
3. Furthermore, Cracker's only feat against Armament BM Luffy is just slightly cutting his arm, it wasn't like he was doing multiple damage to him like his brother did. I really don't see the big deal about him just getting a Possibly 6-C rating.
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You
Oda says this is a feat.
We're not getting possibly for a non contested feat.
Oda
Oda says this is a feat.
We're not getting possibly for a non contested feat.
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He may be fine when he's not attacking, but how exactly was he not caught off-guard trying to pull his arm back in AFTER attacking with Kong Gun when the Real Cracker suddenly sprung up from the Biscuit Solider Armor and sliced his arm?
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So Cracker really gonna get a full 6-C rating for his slight cut to Armament Bound Man? Lol. Alright, fine. This is really not that serious to me like it is to some of you apparently.
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Lol!
Also, even though Luffy's staring right at Cracker and watching him get outside the Biscuit Soldier, the fact that another person was inside the entire time clearly takes him off-guard. You actually trying to deny it makes this comment even more hilarious to me. Thanks for the laugh.
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He is right to some extent actually, BM's haki is "rubbery" while base is "hard" so Cracker cutting through it could be due to "elemental weakness", i disagree because it's still haki after all.
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So pretty much everyone here agrees with the multipliers (besides damage OF course...)
What do you guys think about hody scaling to 7-B above usopp, and usopp scaling to 7-B in durability off of trebol, or ap off of buffalo and durability off of caesar?
What do you guys think about hody scaling to 7-B above usopp, and usopp scaling to 7-B in durability off of trebol, or ap off of buffalo and durability off of caesar?
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Much more affective than bruises doflamingo gave, which are also inconsistent.
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Wtf? Not at all lmao. I apologize if I did but that was just meant to show that cracker has much better of a reason to scale, but you said Doflamingo should off of bruises, but cracker is literally cutting into hakiIf this is supposed to be shade, are my feelings supposed to hurt or something?
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Lol. Sorry about that, I'll delete my other comment right now.
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It’s all good lol.
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You know better than to use this example, I would hope... It's already been confirmed that Haki's effectiveness is reflected by the user's stamina (I also believe it's the case regarding DFs as well). Both Luffy and Doflamingo are at their worst here. All this would prove is C.790 Doflamingo is just a bit stronger than C.790 Luffy's Durability in terms of Haki.
Doflamingo vs BM Luffy being off-panel obviously means there's a lack of evidence for Doflamingo scaling since we don't see him actually hurt Luffy, but at the same time, he fought the dude for over 20 minutes and had him on the defense. It's strange to suggest any disparity between them when they were fighting seemingly on par until Luffy got the upper-hand.
Also, to be frank, Ace scarring WB is something I personally support, as I do think people relative to the Commanders/Admirals have the capability to harm a Yonko if they are giving it their all. The problem here is that we have scaling that puts people like Doffy <1/1000 Kaido or the same with Ace vs WB, when really, it's not anywhere near that massive.
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Luffy became unconscious by using to much haki in gear 4th... Doffy didn't over use his haki like luffy at all.
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Kind of the issue when we make every Yonkou to be Country level when Big Mom and Kaido don't have feats on that level.
Either a huge number of people in the verse need to be rated hundreds or thousands of times stronger than they are now (basically making tons of characters scale to Whitebeard) or we're over-estimating some feats, or we're scaling too loosely for the characters.
If we're looking at it objectively, Oda's intentions are pretty clearly not to make a Haki-less Whitebeard to be an unbelievably high tier character because he can be stabbed by Squardo, stabbed by numerous Marines lower than Admiral Tier, whereas Oda goes out of his way to point out that Big Mom has a special nigh-invulnerability that stops blades, and Kaido is so used to being unharmed that he only ever recieved a scar in his life from the likes of Oden.
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Luffy burned himself out via Haki use. Doflamingo was heavily fatigued because of constantly sustaining grievous wounds up until Gear 4th ended. He then started using Haki, displaying reckless abandon as he angrily hunted down Luffy.
Whether Doflamingo burned out via Haki (no) or from injuries (yes), his abilities were going to be affected heavily regardless.
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There’s reasons they all scale to WB, they’ve all been stated to be rivals off of the feats he’s pulled. You can’t be rivals and then be thousands of times weaker than the other person, do you really think making them thousands of times weaker makes any sense? It doesn’t matter if they don’t have feats at that level, the yonkos have been compared multiple times and have been stated to be rivals, they can’t be thousands of times weaker than each other, and Whitebeard has consistent country level feats with his Shima Yurashi and Kaishin, the same crack which he can apply on enemies such as akainu, and the same enemies that can evenly clash with the attack when punching back, and the yonkos have statements of being rivals so they scale to his country level feats, especially since we know it’s no longer than outlier because there is 3 country level feats, 2 with whitebeard, 1 with blackbeard. Btw just to mention, everyone knows Whitebeard getting stabbed by marines is literally just an outlier, you have to remember that this is a sick Whitebeard and it’s an outlier. You really can’t suggest the fact that a sick Whitebeard can potentially have wall level durability because oda suggested it and big mom and kaido have been shown to have better durability, despite not even looking at the factors behind it anyway. You’re also the only person I know that’s saying this, nobody else here agrees with that logic, despite the feats literally just speaking for themselves and it was specifically explained in the god tiers rev thread, and the high tiers rev thread. With all due respect man, this is literally why people get upset with your ideology because of how you tend to lowball things despite it already being explained.
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That’s literally all we can scale off of tbh. We literally used to have the yonkos at high 7-A because they had nothing else. I’m pretty sure the only person who enjoyed that was damage, even though everyone knows that the yonkos are not even near that low, but Doflamingo is most likely higher too, I also believe he scales to meteors, but nobody made a CRT on it.
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Not to mention all the damage he took prior to dealing with G4 as well.
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This is textbook Strawman Argument. Who the hell suggested Whitebeard has Wall level durability?
Please stop arguing like this. It makes it harder and harder to come back to threads like this when I have to see the stupidest Strawman Arguments.
I don't care. If I didn't have this ideology, we'd have a Sun-sized One Piece planet and everyone would be Continent level by now.
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I mean then what else are you suggesting with the sword wounds then? What point are you trying to make?
Who mentioned the sun size? It’s not even confirmed and it’s inconsistent, unlike whitebeards feats which are consistent, which is why the yonkos scale too due to being rivals. I’m literally just stating how I feel, and how multiple others must feel. It gets frustrating seeing this much lowball, despite all the feats being there.
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Do you think all sword wounds are Wall level by default?
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So then explain what you’re trying to say out of that point? What does that do for Whitebeard? Where do you think it is at? Do you logically think that Whitebeard scaling to sword wounds makes sense? Lmao. I’m not saying you are, I’m asking you btw, before you say I’m strawmanning.
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