Naruto characters that should get genjutsu resistance

[PrinceofPein]

This is false.
Itachi fell under the genjutsu, he just found a method to reverse it, which is the Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change jutsu.

If he didn't fall under it, he wouldn't have been in that tree illusion at all.

Well i guess that will be "Mind manipulation negation" The quote "Genjutsu of this level has no effect on me" made me think he was not under in the first place

When a genjutsu is used on them, the user quickly decrypts the genjutsu with their sharigan to understand how it works. They then perform an identical genjutsu on their attacker, causing a "genjutsu reversal" (幻術返し, Genjutsu Gaeshi, English TV: Genjutsu Reflection, literally meaning: Illusion Technique Reversal). Since most genjutsu are used to confuse victims, this reversed genjutsu deals predominately mental damage

this sounds like reflection



What about the Konoha crush and the elites not falling under the manipulation but instead blocking it out?
That should be resistance

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Then they should get axed

No, because we don't know Itachi's arsenal when it comes to genjutsu. And it's in character for Itachi to use potent genjutsu against people, like when he used Tsukuyomi on Kakashi and Kid Sasuke.

Your assuming something never shown.
Naruto has Yin element as well, has all elements, and he has no skill in genjutsu.
Tsunade has Yin element and she has no shown skill in genjutsu

This has nothing to do with anything, this is proof of her sensing capabilities.
Kid Obito could tell if someone was put in a genjutsu.

The fact that they need to break out shows that it's not resistance.

This should've been the case against Hashirama and Tobirama. When they put Hiruzen under genjutsu he should've broken out.

That 6-C is getting axed via my SM CRT

You're missing a lot about resistances.
IT works by producing light and whoever gets hit with the light is put under genjutsu.
Sasuke blocked the light. He didn't stop the genjutsu from affecting him, he stopped it from reaching him.

Deidara trained his eye to counter it. He didn't train his eye to not get affected, he trained it to see through it. He wouldn't have to see through it if it didn't affect him

This isn't limited resistance.
Again, would you give someone "limited resistance to drowning" because they can swim to the top of a sea to breathe?

Cee is a Yin release user who's also a sensory type and he got bodied by a regular sharingan genjutsu

There's no proof of sharingan genjutsu being more potent, all it's shown to be mainly is being produced via their eyes

Shisui needed an MS genjutsu to put a Byakugan user under in the Itachi novel.

Better than Sasuke's. Sasuke hasn't shown feats on par with Itachi until he got the Rinnegan if then. Also he did it on Sasuke so he would hate him more. HIm doing it on Kakashi though is rather strange, maybe he couldn't use a regular genjutsu because Kakashi had his own sharingan.

Which by the way supports sharingan resisting some level of genjutsu.

He doesn't have Yin on his own. He has Yin-Yang Release because he has SPSM. Does that make sense? Not really, but he's never been shown being able to use just Yin release techniques. After all Naruto got the Yang seal and Sasuke got the Yin one.

I mean...Tsunade has a 3.5 in genjutsu in the third databook

Besides, I'm not saying it's definitive proof. It's just more support for why it's likely.

Does Kid Obito have sensory abilities? Or do u mean the sharingan? Because that also provides resistance.

Sure I guess. That's just if they get put under though.

Hiruzen was too weak, and not breaking out of a Hashirama level genjutsu isn't an antifeat at all.

Link?

"His RINNEGAN can deter even this jutsu?" That implies a regular PS wouldn't be able to.

Nullifying isn't the same as seeing through.

Not what I'm even arguing.

Because Sasuke is incredible at genjutsu. I mean, he placed Deidara under genjutsu who specifically trained to not be put under sharingan genjutsu.

Uh...actually there's plenty. Sharingan users are considered so dangerous largely because of their genjutsu. Chiyo's warning shows this.

they resisted since they did not fall under it.
negation will be them disrupting their chakra after they are under the mind manipulation already, something

Exactly, this proves Jonin have genjutsu resistance.

This is false.
Itachi fell under the genjutsu, he just found a method to reverse it, which is the Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change jutsu.

If he didn't fall under it, he wouldn't have been in that tree illusion at all.

How do you know Kurenai seeing Itachi trapped in the tree wasn't just an illusion and she was already in the genjutsu?

And he said it has NO effect on him. Not little, or he can break out of it. Just that it has no effect.

 

[KingTempest]

Well i guess that will be "Mind manipulation negation" The quote "Genjutsu of this level has no effect on me" made me think he was not under in the first place

this sounds like reflection

In some translations they call it Genjutsu Reflection

What about the Konoha crush and the elites not falling under the manipulation but instead blocking it out?
That should be resistance

The jutsu in the databook says this

Temple of Nirvana Technique (Nehan Shouja no Jutsu)​

• Genjutsu, A-rank, Supplementary, Close to long range
• User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Fluttering in the air, the white feathers lure people into a realm of torpor!!

A Genjutsu that generates a fluttering rain of sleep-inducing, illusory white feathers. Whoever sees them as they fall, piling up and covering the whole target area will experience Eden-like bliss and fall into a state of tranquil slumber. No matter how much one resists the hypnotic spell the desire to sleep is instinctive, and there’s no fighting it!!

The instant the white feathers go, an irrestible sleep comes with everything and the victims end up falling asleep…*

This

No matter how much one resists the hypnotic spell the desire to sleep is instinctive, and there’s no fighting it!!

And this

Whoever sees them as they fall, piling up and covering the whole target area will experience Eden-like bliss and fall into a state of tranquil slumber.

Show that they didn't resist it, it just means that
A. They didn't see enough feathers, supported by the fact that when we see them, there are no feathers around them
B. They have a sort of super resistance that allows only 3 Konoha people in the crowd to stay awake when everybody else is asleep

 

[PrinceofPein]

In some translations they call it Genjutsu Reflection

does wiki has anything that can qualify for "Illusion creation/mind manipulation reflection"

The jutsu in the databook says this

This

And this

Show that they didn't resist it, it just means that
A. They didn't see enough feathers, supported by the fact that when we see them, there are no feathers around them
B. They have a sort of super resistance that allows only 3 Konoha people in the crowd to stay awake when everybody else is asleep

I think it will be B, as we see the people beside them were put to sleep but they were not. and it covered the whole area. as we see the
and not just three, some named anbu members and jounins too were unaffected.
and they used a certain technique "Kai release" which is simply "Genjutsu release"
this was the technique sakura used taught by kakashi so it is save to say kakashi and guy used this too

 

[MinatoSparkle]

In some translations they call it Genjutsu Reflection

The jutsu in the databook says this

This

And this

Show that they didn't resist it, it just means that
A. They didn't see enough feathers, supported by the fact that when we see them, there are no feathers around them
B. They have a sort of super resistance that allows only 3 Konoha people in the crowd to stay awake when everybody else is asleep

Sounds like we need a japanese translator to settle this.

Well obviously not, considering Shikamaru did resist it despite feathers being by him.

Or that's just because of the stylistic lines in the panels blocking the feathers

No, it's only genin and civilians that were asleep, this has been discussed.

 

[KingTempest]

My god you take statements too straightforward

Shisui needed an MS genjutsu to put a Byakugan user under in the Itachi novel.

Better than Sasuke's. Sasuke hasn't shown feats on par with Itachi until he got the Rinnegan if then. Also he did it on Sasuke so he would hate him more. HIm doing it on Kakashi though is rather strange, maybe he couldn't use a regular genjutsu because Kakashi had his own sharingan.

Which by the way supports sharingan resisting some level of genjutsu.

This is the only support

He doesn't have Yin on his own. He has Yin-Yang Release because he has SPSM. Does that make sense? Not really, but he's never been shown being able to use just Yin release techniques. After all Naruto got the Yang seal and Sasuke got the Yin one.

It makes sense, this is fair

I mean...Tsunade has a 3.5 in genjutsu in the third databook

Ok........ 3.5 is not impressive

Does Kid Obito have sensory abilities? Or do u mean the sharingan? Because that also provides resistance.

The fact that you somehow related seeing someone else's chakra as resistance shows that this thread makes 0 sense

Hiruzen was too weak, and not breaking out of a Hashirama level genjutsu isn't an antifeat at all.

A Hashirama level genjutsu which was massively nerfed, and 1/3rd of Hiruzen could rip out Hashirama's soul, he should've been able to break out

Link?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/curse-mark-and-sage-mode-multiplier-removal-crt.119609/

"His RINNEGAN can deter even this jutsu?" That implies a regular PS wouldn't be able to.

You see how it says the light can't penetrate that susanoo.
If you give somebody taste based genjutsu and they can't feel their taste buds, are you giving them mind manip? Or what about sight based to a blind person?
This is like giving a deaf person resistance to genjutsu because sound based genjutsu doesn't work on them.

Nullifying isn't the same as seeing through.

Yes it is

Because Sasuke is incredible at genjutsu. I mean, he placed Deidara under genjutsu who specifically trained to not be put under sharingan genjutsu.

Deidara flat out said he wasn't put under it

Uh...actually there's plenty. Sharingan users are considered so dangerous largely because of their genjutsu. Chiyo's warning shows this.

She said "if someone gets put under genjutsu, dispel it". Doesn't support resistance.

How do you know Kurenai seeing Itachi trapped in the tree wasn't just an illusion and she was already in the genjutsu?

Because the jutsu Itachi used back on Kurenai requires the person to be in a genjutsu so they can analyze it and put it back on them

And he said it has NO effect on him. Not little, or he can break out of it. Just that it has no effect.

This is false.
Itachi fell under the genjutsu, he just found a method to reverse it, which is the Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change jutsu.

If he didn't fall under it, he wouldn't have been in that tree illusion at all.

 

[KingTempest]

does wiki has anything that can qualify for "Illusion creation/mind manipulation reflection"

Attack Reflection specifically for Mind Manipulation

I think it will be B, as we see the people beside them were put to sleep but they were not. and it covered the whole area. as we see the
and not just three, some named anbu members and jounins too were unaffected.

I beg to differ. Naruto in the panel below had feathers all around him, but Guy and Kakashi didn't have a single feather in their frame
Those people were near Hiruzen, which was far away from the jutsu.

and they used a certain technique "Kai release" which is simply "Genjutsu release"
this was the technique sakura used taught by kakashi so it is save to say kakashi and guy used this too

They could've used it before they were fully put to sleep, which is backed up by how the databook says it takes time

Whoever sees them as they fall, piling up and covering the whole target area will experience Eden-like bliss and fall into a state of tranquil slumber.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Kakashi and Guy at the very least definitely have Resistance.
They saw the feathers and ate that.
And, if I recall correctly, Sakura was right next to them.

 

[KingTempest]

Well obviously not, considering Shikamaru did resist it despite feathers being by him.

Sakura said that he dispelled it right when the jutsu was activated.

"You from the get go"

Or that's just because of the stylistic lines in the panels blocking the feathers

The movement lines wouldn't consistently block all the feathers, especially the ones in front of their faces

No, it's only genin and civilians that were asleep, this has been discussed.

We don't see a single person outside of Kakashi, Guy, and Sakura (who were in the stands) that was awake from the jutsu

 

[KingTempest]

Kakashi and Guy at the very least definitely have Resistance.
They saw the feathers and ate that.
And, if I recall correctly, Sakura was right next to them.

The jutsu takes time to put the people to sleep. It's not instant, as we see with Naruto.
During the time that they were getting affected, they dispelled it before they were fully asleep

 

[PrinceofPein]

Attack Reflection specifically for Mind Manipulation

well maybe itachi can get that

I beg to differ. Naruto in the panel below had feathers all around him, but Guy and Kakashi didn't have a single feather in their frame
Those people were near Hiruzen, which was far away from the jutsu.

Neutral on whether the amount of feathers affect the potency, would have used shikamaru as a reference but he did his off panel and we dont know how

but then you may be right since sasuke and gaara were unaffected by the technique and they were also in the stadium

They could've used it before they were fully put to sleep, which is backed up by how the databook says it takes time

I see your point, they may have recognized the technique and simply nullified it before it took effect.

so
Kakashi, Guy, Sakura and Shikamaru, are solid to have illusion creation/mind manipulation negation

These are my other lists.
Another person is Mui, he should have possible illusion creation/mind manipulation negation (According to Hozuki he was the only one who could see through his techniques)

Ay - illusion creation/mind manipulation negation (He broke out of Madara genjutsu)
Sasuke - illusion creation/mind manipulation negation (He could see through all of Itachi genjutsu and broke out of it), possible illusion creation/mind manipulation resistance (His rinnegan was stated to nullify the Mugen Tsukuyomi)
then kakashi and obito should also gain it. they used genjutsu to fight each other and they could see through each others technique.

If anyone has another person with good justification you can add here.
also are we allowed to include those with 4 and above rating for genjutsu in the databook?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The instant the white feathers go, an irrestible sleep comes with everything and the victims end up falling asleep…*

The instant the feathers appeared, Naruto and the audience are immediately put to sleep.
They undid the genjutsu in the next page, but by that point, everyone around them had been render unconscious.

 

[KingTempest]

The instant the feathers appeared, Naruto and the audience are immediately put to sleep.
They undid the genjutsu in the next page, but by that point, everyone around them had been render unconscious.

"An irresistable sleep comes with everything and the victims end up falling asleep"
End up falling asleep, not instantly asleep. Which means that there's a process.

The effects of the genjutsu are instant, but the sleep is not instant

 

[Nullflowerblush]

So, is it a stamina feat?

 

[KingTempest]

well maybe itachi can get that

Neutral on whether the amount of feathers affect the potency, would have used shikamaru as a reference but he did his off panel and we dont know how

but then you may be right since sasuke and gaara were unaffected by the technique and they were also in the stadium

I see your point, they may have recognized the technique and simply nullified it before it took effect.

so
Kakashi, Guy, Sakura and Shikamaru, are solid to have illusion creation/mind manipulation negation

These are my other lists.
Another person is Mui, he should have possible illusion creation/mind manipulation negation (According to Hozuki he was the only one who could see through his techniques)

Ay - illusion creation/mind manipulation negation (He broke out of Madara genjutsu)
Sasuke - illusion creation/mind manipulation negation (He could see through all of Itachi genjutsu and broke out of it), possible illusion creation/mind manipulation resistance (His rinnegan was stated to nullify the Mugen Tsukuyomi)
then kakashi and obito should also gain it. they used genjutsu to fight each other and they could see through each others technique.

If anyone has another person with good justification you can add here.
also are we allowed to include those with 4 and above rating for genjutsu in the databook?

Someone probably misinterpreted what I said earlier.

I'm not disagreeing with illusion creation/mind manipulation negation, I'm just saying that it's not resistance.

A lot of people have this. This should be one of the basis ninja skills if anyone wants to make a page. Put this alongside water walking and speed amps

 

[KingTempest]

So, is it a stamina feat?

Nada, it just means that they could dispel genjutsu

Everyone who fell asleep doesn't know how to dispel genjutsu.

To be fair, you could argue minor sleep resistance because they weren't as dozy as everyone else

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I can get behind that.

Limited Resistance to Sleep Manipulation (Was caught in the Temple of Nirvana Technique and maintained consciousness long enough to dispel the genjutsu, whereas the audience around [him/her] were immediately rendered unconscious).

 

[KingTempest]

Looks nice to me

 

[MinatoSparkle]

My god you take statements too straightforward

This is the only support

It makes sense, this is fair

Ok........ 3.5 is not impressive

The fact that you somehow related seeing someone else's chakra as resistance shows that this thread makes 0 sense

A Hashirama level genjutsu which was massively nerfed, and 1/3rd of Hiruzen could rip out Hashirama's soul, he should've been able to break out

https://vsbattles.com/threads/curse-mark-and-sage-mode-multiplier-removal-crt.119609/

You see how it says the light can't penetrate that susanoo.
If you give somebody taste based genjutsu and they can't feel their taste buds, are you giving them mind manip? Or what about sight based to a blind person?
This is like giving a deaf person resistance to genjutsu because sound based genjutsu doesn't work on them.

Yes it is

Deidara flat out said he wasn't put under it

She said "if someone gets put under genjutsu, dispel it". Doesn't support resistance.

Because the jutsu Itachi used back on Kurenai requires the person to be in a genjutsu so they can analyze it and put it back on them

It's good support.

3.5 is the equivalent of 7, which is pretty good.

No those were two separate statements.

Still a Hokage level genjutsu. And him ripping out Hashirama's sould easily like that is because Hashirama couldn't fight back, not having a will of his own at the time.

Well bold of u to assume it's getting removed. There seems to be quite a few dissenters, me included. I'll respond to that soon.

And then immediately followed by the rinnegan can deter even this jutsu. That shows the rinnegan was at least a part of the PS blocking the IT.

Nullifying means rendering it completely ineffective, seeing through just means knowing you're in it.

I mean the second time.

She said run if you're fighting one on one, but it's not like you can run from every battle because you don't know if they use genjutsu or not. This clearly shows sharingan genjutsu is higher tier. Besides it's had consistently great genjutsu showings.

Proof that he didn't just tell Kurenai was using genjutu and wasn't put under?

Sakura said that he dispelled it right when the jutsu was activated.

"You from the get go"

The movement lines wouldn't consistently block all the feathers, especially the ones in front of their faces

We don't see a single person outside of Kakashi, Guy, and Sakura (who were in the stands) that was awake from the jutsu

But the databook says no one can fight it right? So if the feathers got near him he should've been put under unless he has some resistance or it's a hype databook statement.

Maybe Kishimoto just didn't want to obscure their faces.

Jonin.

"An irresistable sleep comes with everything and the victims end up falling asleep"
End up falling asleep, not instantly asleep. Which means that there's a process.

The effects of the genjutsu are instant, but the sleep is not instant

But the characters didn't show sleepiness once again. NOt at all.

I can get behind that.

Limited Resistance to Sleep Manipulation (Was caught in the Temple of Nirvana Technique and maintained consciousness long enough to dispel the genjutsu, whereas the audience around [him/her] were immediately rendered unconscious).

But that's also illusion creation.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

And then immediately followed by the rinnegan can deter even this jutsu. That shows the rinnegan was at least a part of the PS blocking the IT.

The Susano'o simply blocked out the light that the Infinite Tsukuyomi traveled through.
We know this is the case, because we see that the Susano'o is dark on the inside.

 

[KingTempest]

It's good support.

3.5 is the equivalent of 7, which is pretty good.

Kid Sakura had a 3.5. If her genjutsu is relative to a child's, she's garbo

No those were two separate statements.

???

They can see the flow of chakra.
Because they can see that, they can see if someone is under genjutsu.

Still a Hokage level genjutsu. And him ripping out Hashirama's sould easily like that is because Hashirama couldn't fight back, not having a will of his own at the time.

Fair

Well bold of u to assume it's getting removed. There seems to be quite a few dissenters, me included. I'll respond to that soon.

Several staff and knowledgeable members agreed with it's removal, and the only ones who disagree are the ones who target specific points and not the premise of the OP

And then immediately followed by the rinnegan can deter even this jutsu. That shows the rinnegan was at least a part of the PS blocking the IT.

Did the Susanoo block the mind manipulation or did it block the method of the mind manipulation?

Nullifying means rendering it completely ineffective, seeing through just means knowing you're in it.

So nobody nullified it then.

I mean the second time.

That's not genjutsu. Not all showings of sharingan is genjutsu, proven by the fact that the literal next page says it's not genjutsu.

She said run if you're fighting one on one, but it's not like you can run from every battle because you don't know if they use genjutsu or not. This clearly shows sharingan genjutsu is higher tier. Besides it's had consistently great genjutsu showings.

Proof that he didn't just tell Kurenai was using genjutu and wasn't put under?

Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change (Magen: Kyou Tenchi-ten)​

• Genjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, Supplementary, Close range
• User(s): Uchiha Itachi

The mechanics of a false image is duplicated by these eyes, its effects largely turned back onto the enemy!!

One decrypts a Genjutsu that has been applied onto them, and casts back a jutsu with identical effects onto the opponent!! It’s a form of illusion reversal, but in order to instantly read through a jutsu and cast it in return, the Sharingan’s power is necessary. As Genjutsu is initially used to confuse the enemy, this technique which sends it right back to its caster deals a high amount of mental damage, more than anything else. Every half-baked Genjutsu will fall prey to the mirror that is Sharingan!!

Conditions such as the presence or not of a Kekkei Genkai and the relative strength of both casters play a great part when operating this jutsu.

Thanks to the Sharingan’s power, Itachi uses a similar technique.

One decrypts a Genjutsu that has been applied onto them.
Do you have proof he wasn't under the genjutsu?

But the databook says no one can fight it right? So if the feathers got near him he should've been put under unless he has some resistance or it's a hype databook statement.

It means that you can't resist the sleep portion, not the genjutsu in itself.

Maybe Kishimoto just didn't want to obscure their faces.

But he wanted to obscure Naruto's? Okay

Jonin.

Scans of any jonin awake?

But the characters didn't show sleepiness once again. NOt at all.

Because they broke out of the genjutsu before it fully affected them. They broke out literally when they saw the feathers affect other people.

But that's also illusion creation.

They were put under the genjutsu, so they did not resist it.

 

[SirAlex09]

I'm not even gonna lie, the "resistances" in Naruto aren't even resistances. They just have methods to break out.
It's like giving someone resistance to fire manipulation because they have a water bottle.
If Genjutsu was paralysis, resistance is not being paralyzed at all or being able to move to an extent, while what they do in Naruto is finding methods of breaking out.
Or a better one, drowning. Resistance is water breathing while what they do in Naruto is swim to the top and breathe.
Not even, dying. Resistance is being immortal while what they do in Naruto is resurrect.
These aren't resistances at all.

Kurenai put Itachi in a genjutsu. If he was resistance with his Dojutsu, he'd never be put in a genjutsu. Random ninja put Kakashi, Guy, Sakura, Shikamaru, and others in a genjutsu. If they were resistance, they'd never be put in a genjutsu.

That isn't even resistance.

Every Ninja with over borderline common sense in Naruto knows how to do this as well. This isn't resistance to mind manipulation, this is just a method to get out of it.

I agree

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The Susano'o simply blocked out the light that the Infinite Tsukuyomi traveled through.
We know this is the case, because we see that the Susano'o is dark on the inside.

Ok fine. I don't agree, but it's hard to argue with how vague it is. At the very least, with the PS Rinnegan Sasuke should get resistance to vision based genjutsu.

Kid Sakura had a 3.5. If her genjutsu is relative to a child's, she's garbo

???

They can see the flow of chakra.
Because they can see that, they can see if someone is under genjutsu.

Fair

Several staff and knowledgeable members agreed with it's removal, and the only ones who disagree are the ones who target specific points and not the premise of the OP

Did the Susanoo block the mind manipulation or did it block the method of the mind manipulation?

So nobody nullified it then.

That's not genjutsu. Not all showings of sharingan is genjutsu, proven by the fact that the literal next page says it's not genjutsu.


One decrypts a Genjutsu that has been applied onto them.
Do you have proof he wasn't under the genjutsu?

It means that you can't resist the sleep portion, not the genjutsu in itself.

But he wanted to obscure Naruto's? Okay

Scans of any jonin awake?

Because they broke out of the genjutsu before it fully affected them. They broke out literally when they saw the feathers affect other people.

They were put under the genjutsu, so they did not resist it.

Sakura is known as a genjutsu prodigy. And she was one of the only ones not a jonin to break out, so she's good already. It's like saying people with equal chakra reserves to Naruto have bad chakra cause he's a kid.

Yes they can.

Well I've already come to save the profiles from the revision.

idk

??? Not sure what you mean there. The point is that Deidara trained his eye to get genjutsu resistance.

You mean this?

He means Sasuke being alive is not genjutsu, not that him seeing Sasuke crumble was no genjutsu.

Him saying it has no effect is the proof. And just because it was applied to someone doesn't mean it was effective. The IT was applied to the PS but it didn't affect it.

But they did. None of the people who stayed awake were shown sleepy.

Because he was already in it and not alert with lines.

Top right in the crowd is a ninja, probably a jonin. If not, even better for my case.

The feathers already affected the people around them. If they had no resistance they would've been sleepy for a little then broke it with kai. But it specifically showed them not being sleepy, quite the opposite really.

Wdym they were put under? They literally weren't.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Retcon

Kneading chakra ≠ having chakra in the body

when did it get retconned? That was like damn near the end of the show

If something effects you but you lessen the effects/get out is that not resistance? You dont always have to be completely immune to something 3
If 3 people get hit with a poison that kills in 10 seconds, If person A isnt effected he's immune if person B takes 1 day to die he has resistance to poison and if person c dies in 10 seconds he doesn't

 

[MinatoSparkle]

bump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Oh I just found more evidence. While Sasuke was looking intently at Ay, implying him trying to use Genjutsu, Ay said mere Sharingan can't take him down, showing Genjutsu resistance.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"But Lord Raikage has manipulated Raition chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him."

As I suspected, the reason Sasuke's genjutsu did not work on Ay is because his nerves move too fast to be captured.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I mean, that would make sense if they were moving, but in that specific panel both of them were stationary and direct eye contact was established.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"Lord Raikage's nerve transmission and his reaction speed are on par with that of Konoha's Yellow Flash..."

"But Lord Raikage has manipulated Raition chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him."

"The lightning that gushes out from inside the body raises the speed of the neurotransmitters ..."

Genjutsu hijacks the nervous system of the target. However, because Ay's neurotransmitters have been elevated by such a vast degree, Sasuke is incapable of successfully capturing his nervous system—his brain moves too fast for Sasuke to keep up with.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Genjutsu hijacks the nervous system of the target. However, because Ay's neurotransmitters have been elevated by such a vast degree, Sasuke is incapable of successfully capturing his nervous system—his brain moves too fast for Sasuke to keep up with.

Who said Ay's statement and Cee's are connected? Also I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well, that's clearly not how it works because Sharingan genjutsu did work on him anyway, albeit a much stronger variation (given that EMS has much stronger genjutsu than a base Sharingan). That is to say, they operate under the same mechanics, but have different potency.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Well, that's clearly not how it works because Sharingan genjutsu did work on him anyway

It's almost like Madara was faster than Ay.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Who said Ay's statement and Cee's are connected?

R e a d .

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

It's almost like Madara was faster than Ay.

He wasn't.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well, that's clearly not how it works because Sharingan genjutsu did work on him anyway, albeit a much stronger variation (given that EMS has much stronger genjutsu than a base Sharingan). That is to say, they operate under the same mechanics, but have different potency.

Uh...yeah. I'm not saying Ay is immune to all Genjutsu, just to a certain level of it.

R e a d .

Just because they both mention the Sharingan doesn't mean they're talking about the same thing. Especially since Cee referred to Ay's speed and Ay made that statement while he wasn't moving

He wasn't.

I mean he is, he scales to KCM2 Naruto in comparison to the KCM Naruto level Ay, but that's not the reason it worked anyways.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I mean he is, he scales to KCM2 Naruto in comparison to the KCM Naruto level Ay, but that's not the reason it worked anyways.

He's slower than KCM2 Naruto actually. Considerably slower.

He's slower than Ay in terms of movement speed as well, both with and without Onoki's amp.
The fact that the profiles have Madara several times faster than Ay is an utter joke. But hey, the speed revisions will come right after the AP ones, and you better believe the garbage speed scaling will be altered dramatically.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Uh...yeah. I'm not saying Ay is immune to all Genjutsu, just to a certain level of it.

Yeah, I know you're not. I was replying to the flower man.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He's slower than KCM2 Naruto actually. Considerably slower.

He's slower than Ay in terms of movement speed as well, both with and without Onoki's amp.
The fact that the profiles have Madara several times faster than Ay is an utter joke. But hey, the speed revisions will come right after the AP ones, and you better believe the garbage speed scaling will be altered dramatically.

I mean, they each have a feat of reacting to each other, and even though Naruto's feat is more impressive, Madara did off screen fight KCM2 Naruto, Bee, and Guy at the same time. At the very least he can't be considerably slower.

He didn't take that fight very seriously, and didn't try moving away. Lightened Ay might be faster, but without it I don't think so. If someone slower than KCM Naruto was faster than Madara then KCM2 Naruto should've just blitz stomped Madara the whole time. KCM2 Naruto+ level Madara is supported by Hashirama being roughly as fast as Tobirama in movement speed and Tobirama outspeeding MKCM Naruto to the TSO on Minato's arm (idk if you're gonna make the age old response of Tobirama just used FTG but fyi he didn't).

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Especially since Cee referred to Ay's speed and Ay made that statement while he wasn't moving

Yes, the speed of his neurotransmitters—the speed of his brain.

He's slower than Ay in terms of movement speed as well, both with and without Onoki's amp.

This is silly.

1. Reacts to Tsunade and Ay touching down at the speed of light
2. Processes Ay's attacks and deems them mediocre before blocking (he also erected a barrier at a speed that shocked Ay)
3. Is pointed out as being capable of keeping up with Ay
4. Comments on Ay's speed like he is nothing more than a test subject
5. Deemed each of the Kage to be garbage compared to himself and Hashirama
6. Casually counters Ohnoki's Particle Style and revealed that he was been dicking around with them

Not only that, but Madara had not been going all-out the entire battle, and on top of that, a doppelganger is what caught Ay in a genjutsu.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes, the speed of his neurotransmitters—the speed of his brain.

This is silly.

1. Reacts to Tsunade and Ay touching down at the speed of light
2. Processes Ay's attacks and deems them mediocre before blocking (he also erected a barrier at a speed that shocked Ay)
3. Is pointed out as being capable of keeping up with Ay
4. Comments on Ay's speed like he is nothing more than a test subject
5. Deemed each of the Kage to be garbage compared to himself and Hashirama
6. Casually counters Ohnoki's Particle Style and revealed that he was been dicking around with them

Not only that, but Madara had not been going all-out the entire battle, and on top of that, a doppelganger is what caught Ay in a genjutsu.

But why would that make you unable to be put under Genjutsu? Anyways even if that's true, that means people with reaction speed at a level equal to or greater than Ay's should get some level of Genjutsu resistance.

I agree excep with the 2nd one. Madara was talking about Mei's attack not Ay's.