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1. I get DD but I have been trying to Under use it as much as possible
2. Time Stop how?
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Chronoa Vs HA DIO
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2. Time Stop how?
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Passives can't be countered by infinite speed.
So DD is still valid wincon on which match can be added.
Only immeasurable can counter passives.
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Oh right, I forgot that
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Well then Dio cannot time stop Chronoa.
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Depending on the passives and the character, since there are passives that are Passive>Immeasurable, although in most cases it is Immeasurable>Passive.
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Though it would be exceptional rather than rule.
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So what your saying is what ..
Passive faster than Infinite Speed but Slower than Immeasurable Speed
Passive Equal to Infinite Speed
Or Passive Equal to Immeasurable Speed
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You don't understand, the only thing I meant was that not always the passives can be counter with immeasurable, because there are characters that their passives are able to affect immeasurable, but for that you need feats, in almost all cases it is Immeasurable>Passives.
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In other words, there are different kinds of passives.
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Well, not that it's any different.... Example X character has passive EE that can be counter with immeasurable, but Y character has the same passive and has feats to affect immeasurable with his passive
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So TWOH can outrun DD passives is what you are saying?
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Depends on what speed is need to outrun said passive, otherwise RO just nulls it.
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Superior AP wise sure
But I don't believe speed cause TWOH was shown clearly equal in speed to GER
Also that's just TWOH
1. If speed is equal then both TWOH and Chronoa's speed would be the same
2. Even if that's not the case DIO has to summon TWOH and he'll get DD and Stunned before that happens, or Time Stopped or Chronoa will jump outta range
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Here is all of Chronoa's Resistances in regards to what DIO will most likely start with
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Here is what she can doNow as for Ways Chronoa can win?
Well let's see DIO's resistances
Transmutation
Disease Manipulation
Mind Manipulation
This is not Good
1. AP Stomp
Literally doesn't need an explanation
2. BFR
Can send him outside of Time from which here is no return for him
3. Time Stop
Remember Demigra's level of Time Stop Resistance thing at the top, well guess what Chronoa can bypass even that level of Time Stop while in base so there is literally no way out for Dio, hell he doesn't have Time Stop Resistance Mentioned at all
4. EE
Chronoa can erase entire timelines. And DIO has no notable resistance to EE let alone 4D Level
5. Causality
Since DIO is from an ALTERNATE timeline, she can just undo the events that lead to his inception and set the timeline back to it's prime state essentially erasing him and with no Acausality to speak of, he doesn't resist
6. Absolute Zero
He has no resistance to cold temperatures much less absolute zero
7. Time Labyrinth Sealing
Effectively Sealing him away outside of Time and Removing all trace of him throughout History
8. DD
Dimensional Domian stamina 1 and given DIO character as a whole HE WILL MOST DEFINETALY TRY TO MOVE and end up getting stunned. From that point she can **** him until hisloses all function
9. Memory Erasure
Just mind wipe, he'll be off guard for a while and then go in for the Kill
10. Summon
Anyone else would make this even more of a stomp
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Aight, but still TWOH = GER <<< MIH who is baseline infinite
1. Mhm
2. DIO already has TWOH summoned
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And all of this is bullshit like you said in the HA DIO vs Xeno Goku thread.
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I think the Thread Starter needs to be more clear with equal speed
If she is equal in speed to TWOH then passives will affect him crippling him to the point of stun or she could time stop him before he does anything or she could jump outta range and spam multiversal+ ranged attacks, magic, erasure or causality
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That's a problem
She doesn't have Resistance to RW
Now it depends on who attacks first and knowing DIOs personality he'll most likely unintentionally give Chronoa a few seconds to do something
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And given the odds DIO has a 1 in 3 chance of starting with RW
If he starts with the other two he's done
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Let's debunk the abominations @Ss3micah said, shall we?
Dio doesen't start with H2H in Post-Absorption, he did just to toy with Jotaro and Jolyne, he started with thought-based stuff like all the other times. Plus he's naturally bloodlusted against dudes he doesen't want to toy with, as we could see with Kakyoin, Avdol or Joseph.
The EE is RW based, and said RW is a layer above baseline since it's an upgraded version of the Pre-Absorption RW. Time Stop is both Time-Stopping infinite speed and resistance to baseline TS. These resistances are moot.
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Dio already nulled 4D causality hax before. Show me Chronoa having such as well.
Before or after Dio thinks?
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Only think I can see is just DD, and I doubt that can work since I heard from @Dominodalek that it doesen't constantly set the stamina at 1, only at the start, and DIO has ways to recover the stamina like instantly with RO on himself.
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As already said, he starts with these, since he's naturally bloodlusted, due of him being in front of Chronoa, and not dudes he wants to have a vendetta against like Jotaro.
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No, DD is constant. It can be countered by abilities that give you stamina though
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Something need to be clarify here. regarding Dimensional Domain, Domino is right and wrong at the same time. it isn't permanent, yes and enemy can recover stamina by resting or using abilities that have recover stamina effect and yes the effect will reapply. But he wrong at everytime Goku attack -> this is DD game mechanic as DBH is a turn base game similar to Yugioh, so it have multiple phases which one of them is attack phase, so according to game mechanic DD can only affect other when the attack phase of DD user come, while opponent can recover stamina in their phase while DD can't affect them as it is not DD user attack phase. That why he said the effect will reapplied everytime Goku attack (which is his attack phase according to game mechanic). But this is vs battle, there is no turn base/phase thing as both of combatants will try to slap at each other at the same time, so that mean when the battle start it will be "attack phase" from the start to the end, no turn, no rest no preparation wthatever it is, so DD will passively make the stamina value to 1 if opponent trying to recover their stamina, they can't recover above 1. The only scenario where DD will lost it effect is battle condition of the match have prep time before fighting, so DD will not affect it user's opponent in preparation period
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Uuuhhhh what did you post above.....so big
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WTF is thisOh yeah
Well here is what Viet said about Domino's comment which he agreed to
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Speed =
keysword restricted
She is at her peak
Goku in base
100 meteres
Goku:3( @Orange ) (@sanicspood) (@Ss3micah)
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incon:
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Before anyone votes because of Keysword or Stamina reduction, I want to hear the Sailor Moon side first, understand.
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u forgot to equalize speed
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Are they in character or bloodlusted?
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i did
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oh i didnt see that lmfao
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In character
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Damn, that makes most of gokus options go away.
And I mean by it just summoning
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Hmm. What is moon wincon
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Void manipulation
HDM
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Oh and dont forget she cant die and can still hurt goku
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Are those passive, thought based?
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if it has to actively activated, goku seals I think
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From what I gather, that’s basically his first move
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isnt better to remove the keysword?
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Domino says:
A couple things:
- Dimensional Domain isn't permanent, the Stamina lost can be regained by resting (or through abilities) but the effect will be reapplied every time Goku attacks.
- Goku's likely to start the battle with Ki Blasts, he'll bring the Keysword out if his initial attack doesn't work. If the Keysword isn't enough, he'll go for Summoning.
- There are multiple Keyswords, so summoning another wielder won't cause issues.
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guess i will restrict it
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So then, Goku can’t do anything except summon A kewsword user to win?
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Keyswords are restricted this match
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If he summons someone then it's the same since all of his summons have it.
He can DD but that's it tbh besides some passive probability stuff.
Actually, demigra has time labyrinth which seals people outside of time. He still have other summons so he has few options
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Does she have any passive?
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I dont think so but the amine version does have passive matter
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Hmm, so DD and summons is his wincons plus probability manipulation.
His summons are quite op too.
Void manipulation and HDE are pretty good, but how does she use them?
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Something need to be clarify here. regarding Dimensional Domain, Domino is right and wrong at the same time. it isn't permanent, yes and enemy can recover stamina by resting or using abilities that have recover stamina effect and yes the effect will reapply. But he wrong at everytime Goku attack -> this is DD game mechanic as DBH is a turn base game similar to Yugioh, so it have multiple phases which one of them is attack phase, so according to game mechanic DD can only affect other when the attack phase of DD user come, while opponent can recover stamina in their phase while DD can't affect them as it is not DD user attack phase. That why he said the effect will reapplied everytime Goku attack (which is his attack phase according to game mechanic). But this is vs battle, there is no turn base/phase thing as both of combatants will try to slap at each other at the same time, so that mean when the battle start it will be "attack phase" from the start to the end, no turn, no rest no preparation wthatever it is, so DD will passively make the stamina value to 1 if opponent trying to recover their stamina, they can't recover above 1. The only scenario where DD will lost it effect is battle condition of the match have prep time before fighting, so DD will not affect it user's opponent in preparation period
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RO can completely heal DIO, and is thought-based as well. And DIO already dealt with situations where he could barely move because of not having stamina anymore and yet could still recover from such via various ways in canon.
I'll ignore whatever the hell you said above and answer to just this. As DD applies, DIO would get stamina to 1 right? Time Stop doesen't require any action, in canon he could use Time Stop without making any movement, and he'd definitely notice his stamina getting low at the start of the fight. So he'd use TS and then use RO on himself to completely recover, and then uses his hax on Chronoa, which is basically Soul Steal/Corruption/EE, all RW based.
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Fine then, I'll accept that
Chronoa's Resistance to Time stop is far above baseline and Also speed is equal so she'll be as fast as TWOH and her abilities just as fast and faster with passives
Ummm, she can BFR him outside of time, how is that NLF
Then when doesn't he have Resistance to Causality Manipulation or Acausality on his page then?
Both Before and After he thinks
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"Is far above baseline"
Infinite/Immeasurable Speed has still the resistances it gives at speed equal, so it's still a better TS than whatever DBH ever had.
Because I'd need more elaboration. Because:
- Is that thought-based?
- Range of that? 2-A (x12-18 bigger than baseline due of 12-18 universes stuff) because outside of the multiverse I guess but I'd need a confirmation.
Because he Power Nulled it with RO, not resisted.
I hope you're aware that DIO uses his stuff with thought.
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DD will constantly reapply itself regardless so the moment his stamina gets above 1 it gets set back to one
Again DD constantly reapplies itself
This isn't a turn based battle like Yu-Gi-Oh or something, this is a constant slug face where both of them are engaging each other constantly. The moment he recovers stamina it's automatically set back to 1 and also Chronoa still have passive recovery reduction and multiple layers of time stop Resistance
Also when on stamina 1 if any of his thought based actions take any effort whatsoever then he'll be stunned at which point he'll be in a state where he can't move nor think and all passives are deactivated and his abilities restricted from activating
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IIIRC passives aren't deactivated
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IIRC
When a unit is stunned their passive effects don't activate til they get rid of the stun status, I.E. recover
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