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Oh,I concede
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Post-Silver Sea Speed upgrade and other small revisions - Maou Gakuin
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You’re still going on, focus on the questions AK is asking now, he’s
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I’ve yet to be rude, but I’ll be nicer.
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@Dereck03 or already explained it to me. So yh.
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He was one of Anos' strongest foes Pre-Silver Sea (that being said, Graham would still be considered fairly powerful Post-Silver Sea, but not really comparable to top-tier deep world inhabitants ig). We know for sure that Anos wasn't at his peak, because he said something along the lines of "Graham's all-out effort is literally to unleash all the magic power from his root. Meanwhile, my all-out effort is to suppress my power with more power so as to not harm the world" and "You were fighting me, but I was fighting me". Well, the quotes were something like that. I'll find the exact quotes and chapter number later.
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I think it would be good to reread the chapters to get a better interpretation.
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Yea, I suppose. I just don’t like the idea that this would restrain Anos, and his efforts so much as to completely disregard the idea of Immeasurable Graham. Though, that also relies on the wording when
Just tag me, or get ahold of me someway when you get the exact quotes.
I always prefer having quotes to go off when it comes to ratings these high anyways.
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Ok, I reread the chapter. Eges throws the spear at Graham and this happens
The last line pretty much tells us that Graham tried to intercept the spear by predicting its trajectory before Eges throws it. And it seems he was even hit by it, so I dont see how he scales.
The last line pretty much tells us that Graham tried to intercept the spear by predicting its trajectory before Eges throws it. And it seems he was even hit by it, so I dont see how he scales.
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Thing is. It seems Shin has a MFTL+ feat Pre-Silver Sea
So not only the first strike was FTL, but he managed to perform 10000x that, in a second.
But if this isnt accepted, then I guess Graham stays at FTL since the calc from the OP is for Post-Silver Sea, which isnt Graham's case.
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I agree with this btw.
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I see...
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Ch 371
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Ch 623 & Ch 624
Some speed feats 21+ layers deep.
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Just doing this to get everyone’s attention;
So we all cool with Graham getting ‘immeasurable’ removed?
After what Oblivion showed it’s evident that when making the profile the context was ignored/slipped over, I am personally fine with removing ‘Immeasurable,’ and using FTL until we get a good reading on this
So, any objections/opinions?
So we all cool with Graham getting ‘immeasurable’ removed?
After what Oblivion showed it’s evident that when making the profile the context was ignored/slipped over, I am personally fine with removing ‘Immeasurable,’ and using FTL until we get a good reading on this
Feat.
So, any objections/opinions?
I think, once we get an answer to this, we could move forward in a productive/conducive way.
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Okay. I'm gonna politely ask people to stop unnecessarily derailing the thread. It seems to have stopped now, but do not derail again.
After reading through the thread, here's a current summary:
No. 1 in the OP seems to be accepted.
No. 2 is being discussed. There are currently 2 suggestions for no. 2, namely Anos' speed is either changed to "At least X. Immeasurable at peak" or "At least X travel speed. Immeasurable combat and reaction speed".
While the second suggestion seems fine at first glace, I believe it would still cause some problems with scaling.
I'm not saying Anos definitely has immeasurable travel speed, but there are multiple possible reasons for why Anos doesn't travel to the past via speed, namely he might not be able to bring the other characters with him at that speed or because we know he can't easily alter the past, which is why he had to use a specific spell which allowed him to go back in time with other characters and alter the past.
Other members should preferably vote on this tho.
No. 3 is being discussed. Most people seem to agree with the downgrade to 9-B, but they would also prefer the feat to be calced. I suggest that we go through with the downgrade, and they can later be upgraded if the feat is calced.
Graham should also have his immeasurable speed removed. Based solely on the scans provided in this thread, it seems like Graham aim dodged the spear, and thus he shouldn't scale.
Graham was able to keep up with Anos in a fight, but he doesn't have immeasurable speed, which is one reason why I have problems with the second suggestion for no. 2.
Anos will be unaffected by Graham's downgrade.
After reading through the thread, here's a current summary:
No. 1 in the OP seems to be accepted.
No. 2 is being discussed. There are currently 2 suggestions for no. 2, namely Anos' speed is either changed to "At least X. Immeasurable at peak" or "At least X travel speed. Immeasurable combat and reaction speed".
While the second suggestion seems fine at first glace, I believe it would still cause some problems with scaling.
I'm not saying Anos definitely has immeasurable travel speed, but there are multiple possible reasons for why Anos doesn't travel to the past via speed, namely he might not be able to bring the other characters with him at that speed or because we know he can't easily alter the past, which is why he had to use a specific spell which allowed him to go back in time with other characters and alter the past.
Other members should preferably vote on this tho.
No. 3 is being discussed. Most people seem to agree with the downgrade to 9-B, but they would also prefer the feat to be calced. I suggest that we go through with the downgrade, and they can later be upgraded if the feat is calced.
Graham should also have his immeasurable speed removed. Based solely on the scans provided in this thread, it seems like Graham aim dodged the spear, and thus he shouldn't scale.
Graham was able to keep up with Anos in a fight, but he doesn't have immeasurable speed, which is one reason why I have problems with the second suggestion for no. 2.
Anos will be unaffected by Graham's downgrade.
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Well didn’t really dodge it at all, it still hit him.
I’ll check #3 really quick over again.
I’m uncomfortable with Immeasurable speed Anos, mainly because I’d like it outright proven in feats/statements before I accept it as fact. You make a solid point with your theory that he did it via spell due to not being able to bring others with him though. I just don’t know about his travel speed being immeasurable too.
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This is also my opinion on #3.
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More exactly, it is "MFTL travel speed, up to Immeasurable combat speed and reactions". So even those who fights a casual Anos wouldnt necessarily be straight up Immeasurable since he wouldnt all the time be moving at such speeds, hence the "up to". Scaling them to Balzarondo or Shin is also an option.
Or we could put Anos's speed at "MFTL to Immeasurable" and scale the other people only to the low-end of his speed.
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The problem with No. 2 is that there's nothing to suggest that he has immeasurable travel speed in the first place. On top of that, if he truly did have immeasurable travel speed, then he wouldn't need to use the <Gatom> spell to teleport.
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Graham should definitely have Immeasurable removed for all types of speed. There are no examples of him blocking the spear. He tries to aimdodge, but the spear just changes trajectory in mid air and hits him anyway. He gets pierced by the spear quite a lot of times. As for Anos, based off of chapter 347, he blocks the spear several times and even dodges it too. So I think that Anos' combat and reaction speed can reach Immeasurable speed. Lastly, for travel speed, there are no examples showing Immeasurable speed. I would say Anos' speed is at least MFTL(+) due to Shin's MFTL+ feat (scaling to Shin) which was Pre-Silver Sea moving and Anos keeping up with deep world inhabitants who move at FTL speeds in deep worlds and speedblitz FTL speed in the Militia World (perceiving them as stationary). Graham was going all out in his fight with Anos which was probably only FTL. I'm not sure if he scales to Shin because it's never stated that Shin was going 10000x SoL in his fights with Graham.
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I think "At least X, up to Immeasurable combat speed and reactions" for Anos could work.
**Graham's speed should preferably be rated as "At least FTL".
**Graham's speed should preferably be rated as "At least FTL".
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I am not sure yet but it seems to be the best option so far.
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Sounds perfect to me. X can be MFTL or MFTL+. I would go with the latter frankly
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I'm not saying Anos has immeasurable travel speed, but I'm also saying it isn't impossible for him to have immeasurable travel speed.
I think my earlier suggestion for Anos' speed could work tho:
Also, deciding to use other methods to do something =/= not having the capability of doing that something via another method.
Anos deciding to us <Gatom> to travel doesn't mean he can't possibly have immeasurable travel speed.
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Did a little calc for Shin
If accepted, it would scale to Pre-Silver Sea people (Anos, Lay, Avos, Graham, Arcana and people who scale to those)
If accepted, it would scale to Pre-Silver Sea people (Anos, Lay, Avos, Graham, Arcana and people who scale to those)
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I do agree with this
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It's good since the multiplication number is already shown in the feats
Agree with this and it would make the stationary feats become even more greater
And also for the graham case, i almost forgot the fight scenario because i've read it a long time ago
But even tho it's aim dodging, your body still needs faster reaction, then it would be safe to still put him at immeasurable if he dodging it after the spear is thrown
But if it's not, then we can remove it
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This was a specific attack made by Shin, and should only scale to his combat speed and reactions.
If the calc is accepted, then all characters who scale to it can be rated as "X, up to MFTL+ combat speed and reactions", for both Pre-Silver Sea and Post-Silver Sea keys.
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Well, it’s not only just that, he was still even pierced by the Spear.
So in all reality, even attempting to A.D it, he was still hit.
Also, this is only kinda off-topic, when reading the calc I got curious, how do we (VsB as a whole) see “an instant,” in fiction?
Like, what sort of time frame?
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1 second I think.
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I'd honestly would say the same.
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1 sec
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Thank you both!
Infinite speed would be Speed = Distance / 0, so I would be led to believe it would need to be implied heavily, or outright stated to have happened in 0 seconds.
At least I think, I’m still teaching myself VsB Wiki Tiering standards.
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