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Oh,I concedeHe did "keep up" with Anos, but so have a bunch of other characters. Anos wasn't at his peak during this fight either.
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Oh,I concedeHe did "keep up" with Anos, but so have a bunch of other characters. Anos wasn't at his peak during this fight either.
You’re still going on, focus on the questions AK is asking now, he’sThe point is that I don't bring up quarrels from previous threads....
I’ve yet to be rude, but I’ll be nicer.Yuux, stop being rude to other members
@Dereck03 or already explained it to me. So yh.Before anything else, just to confirm, do you guys think that Anos has immeasurable movement speed?
He was one of Anos' strongest foes Pre-Silver Sea (that being said, Graham would still be considered fairly powerful Post-Silver Sea, but not really comparable to top-tier deep world inhabitants ig). We know for sure that Anos wasn't at his peak, because he said something along the lines of "Graham's all-out effort is literally to unleash all the magic power from his root. Meanwhile, my all-out effort is to suppress my power with more power so as to not harm the world" and "You were fighting me, but I was fighting me". Well, the quotes were something like that. I'll find the exact quotes and chapter number later.Anos has never been at his peak, per say, but wasn’t Graham implied/mentioned as one of his strongest foes ever? If so, how would argue he wasn’t at his “peak,” I used the word lightly. As we both know Anos hasn’t ever actually went 100% out.
I think it would be good to reread the chapters to get a better interpretation.He did "keep up" with Anos, but so have a bunch of other characters. Anos wasn't at his peak during this fight either.
Yea, I suppose. I just don’t like the idea that this would restrain Anos, and his efforts so much as to completely disregard the idea of Immeasurable Graham. Though, that also relies on the wording whenWe know for sure that Anos wasn't at his peak, because he said something along the lines of "Graham's all-out effort is literally to unleash all the magic power from his root. Meanwhile, my all-out effort is to suppress my power with more power so as to not harm the world"
Just tag me, or get ahold of me someway when you get the exact quotes.Well, the quotes were something like that. I'll find the exact quotes and chapter number later.
The Dihid Atem shimmers like a flash of light and is thrust out at Graham.
The tip, which transcended time and space, appeared in front of him and pierced his heart.
In a flash of purple lightning, the magic spear slipped through Graham's body.
"There is no time for the Red Blood Spear, but--"
Graham swings down the thunder sword as he jumps.
"The tip is always in the straight line of the spear. It's not hard for you to avoid it when I'm looking at you."
This would be Immortality Type 2 for Grahamappeared in front of him and pierced his heart.
Thing is. It seems Shin has a MFTL+ feat Pre-Silver SeaThe question would be, how should Graham be scaled? MFTL?
Its speed far exceeds the speed of light and is accelerating rapidly.
One breath counted a thousand, and the next it doubled in speed, and now it's already over five thousand.
His magic was reduced to nothingness.
"The severed sword, the secret is four--"
In the blink of an eye, 10,000 times, the blade of severance is wielded.
I agree with this btw.Either we go with the proposal in the OP or we go with "MFTL travel speed, up to Immeasurable combat and reaction speed"
Anos never travelled at Immeasurable speeds. The whole point of him using the Time Scythe on Vol 4 was to time travel into the past, since he likely couldnt do it by himself, otherwise he would just move on his own.
If we scale him full on Immeasurable it would by extension make everyone that fights him Immeasurable as well, including Shin (which doesnt make sense since Shin needs a specific ability to reach such speeds)
I see...Thing is. It seems Shin has a MFTL+ feat Pre-Silver Sea
So not only the first strike was FTL, but he managed to perform 10000x that, in a second.
But if this isnt accepted, then I guess Graham stays at FTL since the calc from the OP is for Post-Silver Sea, which isnt Graham's case.
This should be calculated and evaluated to obtain a good ratingts speed far exceeds the speed of light and is accelerating rapidly.
One breath counted a thousand, and the next it doubled in speed, and now it's already over five thousand.
His magic was reduced to nothingness.
"The severed sword, the secret is four--"
In the blink of an eye, 10,000 times, the blade of severance is wielded.
Yea, I suppose. I just don’t like the idea that this would restrain Anos, and his efforts so much as to completely disregard the idea of Immeasurable Graham. Though, that also relies on the wording whenhe(Graham), dodged the spear.
Just tag me, or get ahold of me someway when you get the exact quotes.
I always prefer having quotes to go off when it comes to ratings these high anyways.
Ch 371「ふむ。少々違うな。俺にとっては、お前の虚無をどうこうするより、自身の滅びを克服する方が至難でな。確かにこのやわな世界で出せる俺の力は、お前と大凡拮抗するが、本来の総量は桁が違う」
奴の全力は、文字通り、根源の魔力をすべて発揮すること。
対して俺の全力は、世界が滅びぬように、自らの力を自らの力で押さえ込み、相殺しながら、その中からかろうじて残った魔力を制御することをいう。
"Hmm. It's a little different. It's harder for me to overcome my own destruction than to deal with your emptiness. Certainly, my power in this naive world is almost in competition with you. , The original total amount is different by an order of magnitude. "
His full power is literally to exert all the magical power of the root.
On the other hand, my full power is to control the magical power that barely remains from it while suppressing and offsetting my own power so that the world will not perish.
「お前は俺と戦っていたが、俺は俺と戦っていたのだ」
"You were fighting me, but I was fighting me."
Ch 623 & Ch 624奴の<災牙氷掌ガルムンク>と、俺の<深源死殺ベブズド>が衝突し、蒼と黒の火花を散らす。
互いの威力は拮抗している。
だが、莫大な魔力が災人の後ろで弾け、奴はぐんと加速する。
光よりなおも速く、俺を押し上げていくイザーク。みるみる内に水面が見えてくる。分厚い氷に覆われた水面が。
His <Disaster Fang Ice Palm Garmunk> collides with my <Deep Source Death and Death Bebzud>, scattering blue and black sparks.
The powers of each other are in competition.
However, a huge amount of magical power bursts behind the disaster victim, and he accelerates rapidly.
Yzak pushing me up even faster than light. The surface of the water can be seen in the blink of an eye. The surface of the water covered with thick ice.
百の手掌を交換し、千の魔法を互いに受けて、奴と俺はその五体を削り合う。凶暴な獣のように魔眼を光らせる災人イザークは、この戦いが愉快でたまらぬとばかりに笑みを浮かべている。
Exchanging a hundred palms and receiving a thousand magics from each other, he and I scrape the five. Yzak, a disaster victim who shines like a ferocious beast, smiles as if this battle is fun and irresistible.
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Feat.Thing is. It seems Shin has a MFTL+ feat Pre-Silver Sea
So not only the first strike was FTL, but he managed to perform 10000x that, in a second.
But if this isnt accepted, then I guess Graham stays at FTL since the calc from the OP is for Post-Silver Sea, which isnt Graham's case.
I think, once we get an answer to this, we could move forward in a productive/conducive way.get some productive focus.
Well didn’t really dodge it at all, it still hit him.aim dodged the spear
I’m uncomfortable with Immeasurable speed Anos, mainly because I’d like it outright proven in feats/statements before I accept it as fact. You make a solid point with your theory that he did it via spell due to not being able to bring others with him though. I just don’t know about his travel speed being immeasurable too.I'm not saying Anos definitely has immeasurable travel speed, but there are multiple possible reasons for why Anos doesn't travel to the past via speed, namely he might not be able to bring the other characters with him at that speed or because we know he can't easily alter the past, which is why he had to use a specific spell which allowed him to go back and alter the past.
Other members should preferably vote on this tho.
This is also my opinion on #3.but until it's calced, the 8-C rating should be removed.
More exactly, it is "MFTL travel speed, up to Immeasurable combat speed and reactions". So even those who fights a casual Anos wouldnt necessarily be straight up Immeasurable since he wouldnt all the time be moving at such speeds, hence the "up to". Scaling them to Balzarondo or Shin is also an option.No. 2 is being discussed. There are currently 2 suggestions for no. 2, namely Anos' speed is either changed to "At least X. Immeasurable at peak" or "At least X travel speed. Immeasurable combat and reaction speed".
The problem with No. 2 is that there's nothing to suggest that he has immeasurable travel speed in the first place. On top of that, if he truly did have immeasurable travel speed, then he wouldn't need to use the <Gatom> spell to teleport.Okay. I'm gonna politely ask people to stop unnecessarily derailing the thread. It seems to have stopped now, but do not derail again.
After reading through the thread, here's a current summary:
No. 1 in the OP seems to be accepted.
No. 2 is being discussed. There are currently 2 suggestions for no. 2, namely Anos' speed is either changed to "At least X. Immeasurable at peak" or "At least X travel speed. Immeasurable combat and reaction speed".
While the second suggestion seems fine at first glace, I believe it would still cause some problems with scaling. I'm not saying Anos definitely has immeasurable travel speed, but there are multiple possible reasons for why Anos doesn't travel to the past via speed, namely he might not be able to bring the other characters with him at that speed or because we know he can't easily alter the past, which is why he had to use a specific spell which allowed him to go back and alter the past.
Other members should preferably vote on this tho.
No. 3 is being discussed. Most people seem to agree with the downgrade to 9-B, but they would also prefer the feat to be calced. I suggest that we go through with the downgrade, and they can later be upgraded if the feat is calced.
Graham should also have his immeasurable speed removed. Based solely on the scans provided in this thread, it seems like Graham aim dodged the spear, and thus he shouldn't scale.
This is also why I have problems with the second suggestion for no. 2.
Anos will be unaffected by Graham's downgrade.
I am not sure yet but it seems to be the best option so far.I think "At least X, up to Immeasurable combat speed and reactions" for Anos could work.
**Graham's speed should preferably be rated as "At least FTL".
Sounds perfect to me. X can be MFTL or MFTL+. I would go with the latter franklyI think "At least X, up to Immeasurable combat speed and reactions" for Anos could work.
**Graham's speed should preferably be rated as "At least FTL".
I'm not saying Anos has immeasurable travel speed, but I'm also saying it isn't impossible for him to have immeasurable travel speed.The problem with No. 2 is that there's nothing to suggest that he has immeasurable travel speed in the first place. On top of that, if he truly did have immeasurable travel speed, then he wouldn't need to use the <Gatom> spell to teleport.
I think "At least X, up to Immeasurable combat speed and reactions" for Anos could work.
I do agree with thisAnos deciding to us <Gatom> to travel doesn't mean he can't possibly have immeasurable travel speed.
It's good since the multiplication number is already shown in the featsDid a little calc for Shin
If accepted, it would scale to Pre-Silver Sea people (Anos, Lay, Avos, Graham, Arcana and people who scale to those)
This was a specific attack made by Shin, and should only scale to his combat speed and reactions.Did a little calc for Shin
If accepted, it would scale to Pre-Silver Sea people (Anos, Lay, Avos, Graham, Arcana and people who scale to those)
Well, it’s not only just that, he was still even pierced by the Spear.But even tho it's aim dodging, your body still needs faster reaction, then it would be safe to still put him at immeasurable if he dodging it after the spear is thrown
Also, this is only kinda off-topic, when reading the calc I got curious, how do we (VsB as a whole) see “an instant,” in fiction?This was a specific attack made by Shin, and should only scale to his combat speed and reactions.
1 second I think.Also, this is only kinda off-topic, when reading the calc I got curious, how do we (VsB as a whole) see “an instant,” in fiction?
Like, what sort of time frame?
1 sechow do we (VsB as a whole) see “an instant,” in fiction?
1 second I think.
Thank you both!1 sec
Infinite speed would be Speed = Distance / 0, so I would be led to believe it would need to be implied heavily, or outright stated to have happened in 0 seconds.actually in some cases instant=infinite speed