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this will be embarrassing for Goku is he loses this
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Goku vs Shisui
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it would be funny
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In character
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You know goku can hide and also suppress his power level right? He can literally play shisui like trunks did freezas fodder. And all he needs is to blink and shusui turns into a puddle.
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Bump
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Bump
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You should only bump your thread if it hasn’t gotten attention, after at least 12 hours
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I thought it was 6 hours? Wtf is the time to bump actually? Like wtf, someone says at least 24 hours someone says 6 hours someone says 9 hours someone says 12 hours so which is it huh?!
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Someone told me it's 8hours idk the exact number though
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I’ve heard 12 hours more than any other time. But on VS battles wiki, it says to bump only after a reasonable amount of time. It’s undetermined for exactly how much time, but I’m guessing it’s situational
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Well if the time is undetermined then I would just bump my own posts every 6 hours to be long enough to not be considered spam.
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No it’s not, fra, there are good points you can make about Shisui winning
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Shisui only wins if he uses kotoamatsukami, shusui won't start with that and goku would just one shot.
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Exactly... but just let do what they do
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Goku can erase his presence down to fodder level and lets not act like shisui is some sensing Genius either.
Point is the onky Time Shisui has ever tried to use kotoamatsukami is when the Entire village was at risk, Goku isn't evil so that wouldn't be in the realm of possibility.
Goku Plays him and after a while he or shots.
(Even then OG DB Goku has resisted thousands of illusions at the same time before and even Vegeta has resisted stuff against he's own will, trying to put characters from the Narutoverse against anyone Above Saiyan Saga is just asking for a stomp)
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Shisui’s Kotoamatsukami isn’t an illusion, but rather mind manipulation that is very difficult to realize you’re in, which Goku can’t resist. Even so, I agree, Goku does take this fra
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What?! That's amazing can you give the source?
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Why would Goku erase his Presence to fodder level for no reason?, he would need to know that Shisui was trying cast Genjutsu on him, your entire argument relies on Goku having Knowledge he wouldn't otherwise have, in contrast seeing energy is one of the passive default abilities that come with a Sharingan.
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goku fra
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Goku wins because it's goku, is that the argument
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He would erase his presence to fodder level because shisui's fodder. And that's a standard procedure move anyway, if goku's moving in on an opponent he'd erase his presense and would be able to sense shisui's fodder level and he'd probably think that shisui might be doing the same thing.
Goku has analytical prediction so by the time shisui even figures out he needs to use genjutsu (if he's even alive by then) then goku would just realize he's about to attack then he'd proceed to blink.
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Shisui FRA
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What people mean with ''goku erase his presence'' here? Is it useful or something?
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Yeah he doesn’t erase his presence, and if Shisui can sense that Goku is more powerful than him, he might go for a genjutsu, but even Son has dealt with illusions, which happened as early as the og series. With these reasons, I believe Son-san still one-shots
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Sharingan genjutsus are far better than others genjutsus, it isnt only ''illusion''
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Does he have any actual resistance listed? Even then, I doubt they hold up to Sharingan genjutsu.
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Goku doesn’t resist illusions, because that would have to mean he prevents it from even happening or something like that. But he doesn’t prevent it from happening, it still does happen, he’s still able to see through it. And I’m fairly sure he could withstand illusions on these levels, with his immense willpower
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Could we stop with these assumptions? If he doesn't have feats of this, he cannot do it.
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Genjutsus aren't only Illusions, and you're using just assumptions without base
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I disagree goku always holds back anyway when fights and that he suppresses his ki a lot and they start 4km away so if goku senses shisui is fodder he'd suppress his ki and attack him and when he senses he's about to do something dangerous he'd immediately knock him out. And he's going in with the mind set of winning this battle so if shisui is fodder then he'd immediately knock him out since he's not a challenge.
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I fail to understand how this changes a lot, you're basically saying that Goku has precognition about Shisui being a danger and immediately killing him, also, Uchihas can see the amount of chakra (ki here) that someone has, idk if goku hiding his true strenght will change a lot
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He's not making himself completely undetectable, he almost never does this and has no reason to.
The rest straight up never happens in character. He's almost never actually taken the initiative to instantly take down an opponent.
My vote remains unchanged.
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just because we don’t have any feats of him doing it, doesn’t mean he can’t do it. If he as any good enough feats that are enough to deal with this type of stuff, we can use that to determine something. Goku’s supernatural willpower is comparable to Vegeta; who is capable of resisting mind control with sheer determination (of course I’m not saying he could resist mind manipulation on the level that Naruto characters do it, I’m just saying it as a basis for his supernatural willpower). Goku is also able to keep fighting opponents for a lengthy period of time, even when his body is severely damaged. This immense willpower would be enough to handle illusions on Shisui’s level
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it means that it is out of character and goku never will do it here
why having good stamina/durability change something in Mind Resistances? Also, Genjutsus aren't only Illusions
