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Cm3 fairy tail question

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Why this scene getting Conceptual manipulation Type 3?

I think its only Existence erasure

My reasoning:
- Mard geer said destroy "concept life and death" this sentence sound flowery words
-mard geer there is no true evidence ever erasing concept life & death

Thanks for Answering my question
 
Because people just like to take everything they can as litteral.
 
Idk if it change something, but Fairy Tail mentioned the word Concept more times

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Bernkastelll said:
Idk if it change something, but Fairy Tail mentioned the word Concept more times

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Not helping my question about mard geer(momento mori)

But evidence about true void about concept of time is true(if we use common sense)
 
I don't see how this is flowery language at all, nothing contradicts Mard's Statement and in the official translation, something the OP doesn't use, Mard Geer is very literal when it comes to Momento Mori and its effects.

Given the fact normal EE isn't enough to kill Zeref such as Genesis Zero and Lost Aspect, Mard would have had to develop an even greater method to kill Zeref than just normal EE.
 
Zackra1799 said:
I don't see how this is flowery language at all, nothing contradicts Mard's Statement and in the official translation, something the OP doesn't use, Mard Geer is very literal when it comes to Momento Mori and its effects.

Given the fact normal EE isn't enough to kill Zeref such as Genesis Zero and Lost Aspect, Mard would have had to develop an even greater method to kill Zeref than just normal EE.
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thank you for bringing the official translate...

Yeah but still, I didn't see why Its Cm3

For momento mori can be higher degree of Existence erasure(perhaps?)
 
Fixxed said:
thank you for bringing the official translate...

Yeah but still, I didn't see why Its Cm3

For momento mori can be higher degree of Existence erasure(perhaps?)
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Why do you think its flowery though, and what evidence do you have for it being flowery other than you think it is?
 
The fact that it's common talk for erasure is already enough. Idk why it was ever accepted with just that.
 
QuasiYuri said:
The fact that it's common talk for erasure is already enough. Idk why it was ever accepted with just that.
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That has bearing on Fairy Tail how?

As I mentioned FT has used EE before and those have never mentioned Concept Manipulation before so as far as Fairy Tail is concerned its not Flowery.
 
CM type 3 is clearly wrong,it's kinda surprising for me because I always think that he doesn't have this on his profile
 
Zackra1799 said:
How is it wrong?
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-mard geer there is no true evidence ever erasing concept life & death

Momento mori only refer to Existence erasure, No one feats If momento mori can Erase abstract concepts of life&death

And i am pretty sure if zeref Will be resist from momento mori
 
Fixxed said:
-mard geer there is no true evidence ever erasing concept life & death
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The only evidence we have is Mard's Statement regarding Momento Mori. As its never used again after this point. So this is the "true evidence" as there isn't any contradictory evidence that says otherwise.

For it to be flowery, You would also have to assume that Mard is lying on Panel for no reason, which goes against Occam's Razor.
Fixxed said:
Momento mori only refer to Existence erasure, No one feats If momento mori can Erase abstract concepts of life&death
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Can you provide evidence of this? Otherwise we default to Mard's statement about it being Conceptual EE.
Fixxed said:
And i am pretty sure if zeref Will be resist from momento mori
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He already resists it, its on his profile
 
Occam's Razor isn't taking every metaphor as litteral.

EE is by definition making you neither alive or dead, just erased. Which happens to be the exact definition Mard is using.
 
I agree it shouldn't be taken literally, unless there's additional evidence beyond the scan?
 
From a quick skim Genesis zero sounds like a BFR technique that sends you to the gate of wrathwail? I couldn't find anything more on it also zero yapping on about it gives it EE.

What Lost aspect EE was used on zeref?
 
QuasiYuri said:
Occam's Razor isn't taking every metaphor as litteral.

EE is by definition making you neither alive or dead, just erased. Which happens to be the exact definition Mard is using.
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EE doesn't Conceptually erase you from those tho, unlike the statement here.

Here is the thread where is was agreed upon

Elizhaa and Ultima Reality were specifically asked if this was ok with thsi context and they were both fine with this given their knowledgeable staff members about concepts.
 
The proof of Ultima agreeing is broken.

And even with previous agreement, the fact remain that it shouldn't have been accepted.
You have yet to prove that Memento Mori litteraly erase the universal concept of life and death.
 
QuasiYuri said:
The proof of Ultima agreeing is broken.
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Here
QuasiYuri said:
And even with previous agreement, the fact remain that it shouldn't have been accepted.
You have yet to prove that Memento Mori litteraly erase the universal concept of life and death.
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Mard literally says that it does, so unless Mard is lying for some reason in which case you need to provide evidence that he is.
 
I'd also like to mention that the curse itself isn't EE, it just produces that effect, as it's just the by product of the conceptual manipulation. Mard states that he destroys the concepts of Life and Death. Given said target can no longer be living or dead as they lack the concepts, they are Erased from existence as that's the only thing that can happen to them otherwise.
 
Zackra1799 said:
Can you provide evidence of this? Otherwise we default to Mard's statement about it being Conceptual EE.
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No, because Natsu and gray not vanished although Get Erased by momento mori.

i Know, gray Will get resistance Because this scene. But can you proof it if Memento Mori literaly erase the universal concept of life and death.
 
Zackra1799 said:
I'd also like to mention that the curse itself isn't EE, it just produces that effect, as it's just the by product of the conceptual manipulation. Mard states that he destroys the concepts of Life and Death. Given said target can no longer be living or dead as they lack the concepts, they are Erased from existence as that's the only thing that can happen to them otherwise.
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His explanation is the exact opposite.
 
QuasiYuri said:
His explanation is the exact opposite.
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What? Yes it does.



"To Murder the Immortal Zeref one must eliminate the very concepts of Life and Death!"

Mard explains that the curse targets the concepts of life and death

"Those who fall under this curse are neither alive nor dead!"

By destroying the concepts, the targets can no longer be classified as alive or dead

"They cease to exist entirely!"

They get erased because of this, not the other way around.

Its quite simple to understand.
 
Mard also states the very concepts of Life and Death

When very is used as an adjective, its used to place emphasis on what's being adjected. which in this case would be the elimination of the concepts themselves. As per the Merriam Webster definition.
 
Umm
Zackra1799 said:
Mard also states the very concepts of Life and Death

When very is used as an adjective, its used to place emphasis on what's being adjected. which in this case would be the elimination of the concepts themselves. As per the Merriam Webster definition.
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Umm, can you proof it if momento mori erase the universal concept of life and death.
 
you know what im fine with it, normal EE (Lost Aspect) won't work on him
and also to note Zeref was cursed with immortality by the God of Life and Death
demons made to kill him could be what Mard Geer is referring to aswell. Higher EE? sure, concept manip? possibly
 
Fixxed said:
Umm

Umm, can you proof it if momento mori erase the universal concept of life and death.
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Mard says it does, which is reliable given he made the curse himself for the purpose of killing someone who was cursed by the god of Life and Death to be immortal.
 
The only proof is the mere word of "concept". When others translations uses notions or similar words. Not enough for any verse to get type 3 Conceptual erasure.

Although Ig that you'll keep using the word as the only proof till the raw is brought up.
 
So statements shouldn’t be accepted? Because you are asking for us to be shown the effects when Gray specifically negged the only usage of the Curse with his Ice Devil Slayer Magic.

Currently we know that EE won’t kill Zeref and here we have a hax made by someone who knows Zeref tried everything his suicidal big brain could think of which includes EE. You are proposing that instead of taking what is directly stated and explained to us about the technique, we should give Mard something that isn’t hinted at or mentioned at all?

Ya know what? I agree with the OP. Of course we should accept head canon instead of what is explained to us on the page. At the same time, we should also give Zeref Tier 0 narrative manip.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
So statements shouldn’t be accepted? Because you are asking for us to be shown the effects when Gray specifically negged the only usage of the Curse with his Ice Devil Slayer Magic.

Currently we know that EE won’t kill Zeref and here we have a hax made by someone who knows Zeref tried everything his suicidal big brain could think of which includes EE. You are proposing that instead of taking what is directly stated and explained to us about the technique, we should give Mard something that isn’t hinted at or mentioned at all?

Ya know what? I agree with the OP. Of course we should accept head canon instead of what is explained to us on the page. At the same time, we should also give Zeref Tier 0 narrative manip.
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Statements can be accepted. Vague ones aren't.

Proof of Zeleph remotely trying EE? His only resistance comes from him calling Memento Mori useless.

By your logic, Natsu is Low 2-C to 2-B thanks to Ultear calling her balls alternate futures or him burning "time itself". Because otherwise we're rejecting the statement because we don't take everything litteraly for the sole purpose of making characters look strong.
 
How is it vague? He explained what it does.

August knows all magic in existence and is stated to potentially rival Zeref in magical knowledge. Zeref even arrives and tells Mard that Memento Mori wouldn’t work even though he is still trying to kill himself at that point in time. Do tell why the guy who hates living and has been trying to off himself for the past 400 years wouldn’t even let his goon try unless he knew it wouldn’t work.

Burning time isn’t a low 2-C feat, to even insinuate as such is stupid. Ultear also blatantly didn’t create infinite futures which is an anti feat to her statement. Let’s also ignore the fact that IF being tier 2 is a horrific outlier for her AP. Memento Mori has no such anti feats and is hax which means it isn’t an AP outlier.
 
Lost attribute using this amp causes EE to oneself considering zeref was shocked and the one that explained it when gray was gonna seal him with it
Im pretty sure zeref would've tried it to EE himself
 
And? He did say concept/notion (概念), yet nothing remotely proved type 3 Conceptual erasure.
That's not different from the aforementionned statements, and it being an anti feat doesn't have anything to do with the issue.
There's no reason to take a common way to talk about EE as more than regular EE without proof. This kind of "every single word is litteral and can only go one specific way" mentality is the very reason why some verses gets hax characters don't even have.

And that's ironic, how you were being condescendant by saying that the OP was headcanoning when part of your counter is a headcanon itself.
 
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