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Ah, right, I didn't saw that, it was evaluated? I ask because I don't see a comment here, but in the evaluation thread it have bold font so I'm confused.
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Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions Continued
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I have accepted the Fafnir Calc
But if we're going to scale Noble Phantasms to that calc, we have to be strict about Noble Phantasms
Low 6-B could be for A+ Noble Phantasms and up
But what scales to A Rank and lower would be different
But if we're going to scale Noble Phantasms to that calc, we have to be strict about Noble Phantasms
Low 6-B could be for A+ Noble Phantasms and up
But what scales to A Rank and lower would be different
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Paul bunyan have this which was calculated by shadow
Shattering the mountain range part is much more interesting.
So the volume of the smallest mountain (height of 609.6 m) is used as an average in the calc. But this is unreasonable, because the Rocky Mountains is full of large mountains. It has at least a hundred mountains whose height range from 4400 m to 3740 m.
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If we use the calculated fragmentation value of Mount Fuji (height of 3776 m), 3.345E18 Joules, and multiply it by a hundred then we get 3.345E+20 [6-C+]
If we interrupt the word "shatter" as violent fragmentation, then the value would be 2.885E19 J, and multiplied by a hundred it would be 2.885E+21 [High 6-C+]
Shattering the mountain range part is much more interesting.
So the volume of the smallest mountain (height of 609.6 m) is used as an average in the calc. But this is unreasonable, because the Rocky Mountains is full of large mountains. It has at least a hundred mountains whose height range from 4400 m to 3740 m.
List of mountain peaks of the Rocky Mountains - Wikipedia
If we use the calculated fragmentation value of Mount Fuji (height of 3776 m), 3.345E18 Joules, and multiply it by a hundred then we get 3.345E+20 [6-C+]
If we interrupt the word "shatter" as violent fragmentation, then the value would be 2.885E19 J, and multiplied by a hundred it would be 2.885E+21 [High 6-C+]
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Ruler Quetz apparently has an A-rank NP but i don't have her bonds leveled up. her bonds could have it at a different level which is a common thing on F/GO and i hate that.
Crying Warmonger Spartacus is Rank A according to his bonds but he has some calcs that need published and verified.
Edit: Paul Bunyan also has Rank A NP
Edit 2: Cu Alters NP is also Rank A and he has a potential way to have a calc.
Crying Warmonger Spartacus is Rank A according to his bonds but he has some calcs that need published and verified.
Edit: Paul Bunyan also has Rank A NP
Edit 2: Cu Alters NP is also Rank A and he has a potential way to have a calc.
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I give a quick look and seems like it's only Rank A, the calc for the NP of Ruler Quetz it's 'at least High 6-B (310 Teratons), possibly High 6-A (13.8 Petatons)' even though it's a NP Rank A , but considering the fact that Quetz it's a powerful servants even amoung dive servants then this should be counted as a exception.
And about the NP of Bunya I think we should use the 6-C+ number so there could be a consistency with be less powerful than the A+ of Caladbolg which destroyed Laputa.
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This is also a interesting question, what would be the answer?
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There is something that we could use to decide the tier of NP below Rank A?
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They'd still scale to it, just downscaling
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Edit: or downscaling lol
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Downscale how?
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So NP below Rank A would be between 6-C and Low 6-C?
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Servants have feats of surviving hits from A+ anti-army NPs (Nero surviving galatine, Herc tanking Caladbolg II, etc.), so it wouldn't make sense for lower-rank NPs to be that much lower as they're still combat-viable
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Wasn't Nero surviving Galatine from the anime?
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imo it makes no sense to me. She came out with very little damage assuming if she was damaged at all. i don't remember even seeing minor scractches just that she was exhausted/tired.
it was cool and all but Damage should have been at the very least seriously injured and handicapped a lot by the damage.
I want to say its more of an outlier.
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Yeah she blocked the strongest attack from a much stronger opponent for an extended period of time, that’s a blatant outlier.
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Then we can discart that one, there are still other servants surviving NP.
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Yeah I think most of the others are fine
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Except you know... Herc got killed 7 times over by an A+ Rank Noble Phantasm
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Ah right, forgot the fate route, gee wonder why...
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Artoria would scale to at least the Low 6-B of Mordred because of be equal with a buffed Balmung, could be higher if we count as real than when Mordred is fighting Artoria she is powered the same way Siegfried is against dragon.
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Been so long, but i just remembered. Doesn't fate apocphrya have some weird statement about how Ranked Noble Phantasm compare to the physical strength stat??? Is that accepted at all and has it been brought up and discussed???
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I think I have a solution for Base Stats
We find a calc value to scale to A Rank Noble Phantasms and then scale Base Servants to 1/3 of that value
Lancelot with Arondight, which is A Rank matched a Gawain who multiplied his Base Stats by 3x
But I don't accept scaling Servants Base stats to A+ Rank Noble Phantasms at all because of how Berserker was killed 7 times over by a weakened Caliburn
We find a calc value to scale to A Rank Noble Phantasms and then scale Base Servants to 1/3 of that value
Lancelot with Arondight, which is A Rank matched a Gawain who multiplied his Base Stats by 3x
But I don't accept scaling Servants Base stats to A+ Rank Noble Phantasms at all because of how Berserker was killed 7 times over by a weakened Caliburn
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So, anyone have any possible feats for A Rank Noble Phantasms?
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Caliburn is anti-unit, and was being wielded by Shirou and Saber at the same time. It was also having its true name released While it was embedded inside his body. Having something that specializes in singular opponents having its true named released inside you is different from getting hit with something anti-army from outside.
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Probably the feat of Bunya, it's very simple so should be easy to use.
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Didn't Hercules imply that Caliburn Shirou crated was inferior to the real thing? And Doesn't Caliburn get a big boost to damage if it is wielded by a chosen king? (King Arthur)
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So his Base Stats are fodder to Caliburn
Berserker also got one-shot and killed him 9 times at once with Nine Lives Blade works, which is also a A+ Rank Noble Phantasm
Stop the shear ridiculousness of trying to scale all Base Servant Stats to A+ Rank Noble Phantasms
Also honestly we should treat Anime Feats<Visual Novel Feats
Fate Extra Last Encore ain't exactly the source material for Fate Extra and that Nero feat is totally an Outlier
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Wow, way to completely misconstrue the point to fit your own argument. Yes, I too would die easier from an amped A+ sword being powered by two people, meant specifically to obliterate single targets, being released directly inside of my body than I would blocking an unamped A+ sword with my own while it's meant to strike a wide area
Nine Lives Blade Works doesn't have a rank, Berserker was already dead and resurrected by the black shadow by that point, and he was not killed nine times at once. Shirou HIT him nine times, which killed him once.
Provide actual reasoning that doesn't get debunked with cursory knowledge and maybe I will.
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Berserker getting one-shot and killed 7 times over by an A+ Rank Noble Phantasm, which is what Caliburn is when it is overloaded
And since Fate/Stay Night is the first Fate, it takes priority as the source material
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Hey buddy... I think i found a possible contentious problem with using Arondight. I could be wrong though...
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Berserker’s true noble phantasm. A Divine Construct that shares the same origins as Excalibur. Rank A++ Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm. Berserker is only able to use it after sealing his other two noble phantasms. While this sword is drawn, it boosts the wielder’s parameters. There are ancedotal tales of the sword being used to fight dragons, and as such the noble phantasm deals extra damage to heroic spirits with a dragon attribute. The sword was originally only allowed to be wielded by the greatest knight of its time [Lancelot]. However, after being used to slay the kins of his compatriots, it was tainted and became a demonic sword.
Arondight | TMdict
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Arondight is A++ for Berserker Lancelot, but the Arondight of Saber Lancelot, who fought a Gawain who multiplied his stats by 3x is only A RankHey buddy... I think i found a possible contentious problem with using Arondight. I could be wrong though...
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Berserker’s true noble phantasm. A Divine Construct that shares the same origins as Excalibur. Rank A++ Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm. Berserker is only able to use it after sealing his other two noble phantasms. While this sword is drawn, it boosts the wielder’s parameters. There are ancedotal tales of the sword being used to fight dragons, and as such the noble phantasm deals extra damage to heroic spirits with a dragon attribute. The sword was originally only allowed to be wielded by the greatest knight of its time [Lancelot]. However, after being used to slay the kins of his compatriots, it was tainted and became a demonic sword.
Arondight | TMdict
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Also Archer's Caladbolg is only A Rank, so Berserker did not tank an A+ Rank NP, plus I'm pretty sure it took one of his lives
I am fine with backscaling Base Stats off of A Rank Noble Phantasms, but not A+ Ranks
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I was pointing out that Arondight in general has fought dragons. I believe it was brought up before of a quote from a material book source that Dragons breath attacks destroying countries or something like that.
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Then it's like Siegfried, where the Noble Phantasm increases in power against Dragons and wouldn't scale to his Base Stats
What's the Paul Bunyun feat again?
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Refer to the above post. It only takes basic analysis to understand why your point is fundamentally flawed.
Last I checked this is the opposite of what we do here. We use more recent material specifically because it's more up-to-date than a visual novel from 2004.
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Just because Caliburn was inside Berserker doesn't mean anything, if he was really comparable to Caliburn, he would't have been killed 7 times over
Also no, we treat source material as the most important source of info in a verse, Manga always take precedence over Anime and so the original VN would take precedence over everything as well
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