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Theory about Dragon Ball and light

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So basically, I am sure you know that Goku was FTL+ in the Frieza saga, right? But, Frieza couldn't sense ki. He saw Goku though. Technically, this should be impossible, as to see things you need to collect light in your eyes. This means that light in dragon ball should move much faster than in other anime and in real life. Another thing this explains is that when Whis is talking about UI, he says that usually you can only react at the speed of light. Since most characters react faster than the normal speed of light, this means there is another proof to this theory. Lastly, in BOG, the shockwaves reached other planets (implied to be far away in the anime) in less than a minute at the least. This means that the shockwaves would have to be moving much faster than normal light, but technically shockwaves shouldn't travel any faster than light. If you disagree, tell me why, but I am confident that this should be noted, as otherwise there are too many antifeats for MFTL+ Goku and there is ambiguity.

Please don't take this to be an excuse to say "duh, that means goku is slower than light," and nerf him to relativistic+.
 
Remember that one scene in the Super manga where the Z-Fighters couldn't see UI Goku and Jiren fighting but could hear them?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Remember that one scene in the Super manga where the Z-Fighters couldn't see UI Goku and Jiren fighting but could hear them?
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Technically since all of my feats occur before this this doesn't disprove it. The characters could've gone past their own Lightspeed.
 
This is just fiction being fiction. No theories are necessary and just read too much into nothing.
 
As weird as it sounds the concept of light and vision is always somehow separated in fiction.
 
Time stop should make you blind snd suffocate because no light or moving air.

Anyone MHS should be silent until after they have won the fight.

Powers that last a couple seconds should last the whole fight for those hypersonic and beyond.

Do we need to explain more? Fiction doesn't follow physics and logic constantly, they don't go and think of every detail like that, otheraise it gets boring
 
Ugarik said:
As weird as it sounds the concept of light and vision is always somehow separated in fiction.
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ik, but still, with everything present the answer is either everyone is super slow or light is super fast.
 
Or that you are reading to much on it, we are not downgrading or upgrading all FTL verses because they don't follow physics like that.

The fact they are going FTL should tell you hoe much sense does they care to make.
 
These are just common tropes in fictions; sound and light are commonly intended to be nothing more than poetic language for "They're fast" while not actually doing the math. It's no different whether it be down to Earth detective stories, Superhero verses where everyone is Massively FTL+, or verses in between such as those with consistent Hypersonic to Relativistic speeds.

Though, Uber fast soundwaves are possible IRL because sound waves speed up the hotter environments are, but it only travels at lightspeed in Infinite degree temperatures. But either way, I think it's best stated that the Dragon Ball characters just have Massively FTL+ shockwaves; it breaks RL logic, but it's the only way to keep the fight scene consistent. And Ki just isn't real light; faster than light stuff are consistent but via their own feats on "Distance over time" not because of the properties of light.
 
I've seen this before, like the fact of them saying Purple Cat-Man (not the G.O.D) was light speed.
 
That's the highest we can rank them. If you outrun someone lightspeed I can't give you 100 x SoL. We have to scale you to SoL.
 
We do that when there is no other feats for them, you brought up the dyspo thing while claiming it was only SOL, we said it was above lightspeed, it doesn't how we see feats like those since the point is that said statement is not a anti-feat due to using "surpassing"
 
Thelastmlg said:
We do that when there is no other feats for them, you brought up the dyspo thing while claiming it was only SOL, we said it was above lightspeed, it doesn't how we see feats like those since the point is that said statement is not a anti-feat due to using "surpassing"
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That is true, but still wasn't the point. It was obvious a case of writers not knowing what they are doing but I'm just speculating. We are not taking into account the other speed feats. We are taking into account that specific speed feat and discussing that.
 
The most common example of this trope is The Flash. Even in comics where they’re typically stated to move just below light-speed, Barry and Wally frequently break the light-speed barrier, and their friends/enemies can still see them. They do have the speed force to facilitiate this, but DBZ characters explicitly use Ki for the same purpose.

If we treat physical laws as being absolutely concrete in fiction, most light-speed/FTL characters shouldn’t even be physically capable of moving at that speed.

@DivineAura No, our pages just list the lower and upper bounds of tiers, which means 1x SoL for FTL, even though it’s not faster than light. It’s the same for our transonic and supersonic ratings. But we still consider the speed of sound to be transonic and don’t give 1x SoL the FTL rating.
 
ByAsura said:
The most common example of this trope is The Flash. Even in comics where they’re typically stated to move just below light-speed, Barry and Wally frequently break the light-speed barrier, and their friends/enemies can still see them. They do have the speed force to facilitiate this, but DBZ characters explicitly use Ki for the same purpose.

By this same token, most light-speed/FTL characters shouldn’t even be physically capable of moving at that speed.

@DivineAura No, our pages just list the lower and upper bounds of tiers, which means 1x SoL for FTL, even though it’s not faster than light. It’s the same for our transonic and supersonic ratings.
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I don't even know what you were referring to by that last part.
 
My point A) 1 x SoL being FTL isn’t a mistake, B) it’s not indicative of your points, and C) anyone vaguely faster than light is not just scaled down to light speed, with the likely exception of calculations.
 
ByAsura said:
My point A) 1 x SoL being FTL isn’t a mistake, B) it’s not indicative of your points, and C) anyone vaguely faster than light is not just scaled down to light speed, with the likely exception of calculations.
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My point A) I never said that. B) So why does it matter? C) Anyone vaguely faster than light is automatically put at SoL until more feats have been shown, or we have an actual calc instead of a statement saying "Person X is faster than light".
 
A) you said it’s partially wrong. I’ll grant that my word choice was bad, but it’s not wrong. B) It matters because 1 x SoL isn’t actually proof of your points, it’s just how the rating system works. C) no they’re not. Even before his profile had a calc, Sonic the Hedgehog was always FTL due to statements. The exact level is just unknown.
 
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ByAsura said:
A) you said it’s partially wrong. I’ll grant that my word choice was bad, but it’s not wrong. B) that’s just a complete deflection and a meaningless point. It matters because 1 x SoL isn’t actually proof of your points, it’s just how the rating system works. C) no they’re not. Even before his profile had a calc, Sonic the Hedgehog was always FTL due to statements. The exact level is just unknown.
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A) Never said SoL though. Would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. B) Once again, doesn't prove anything. C) No one can properly scale FTL characters as faster than someone who is 1.00000000000000000000000001x SoL. Because they can't. FTL = SoL.
Honestly this is become a bore.
 
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