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Bleach- PTS Speed Downgrade

Reishi is always colored blue, is what Quincy use to fight. Quincy arrows are called “Arrows of Light” and “Rays of Light” multiple times. Even Uryu’s Quincy arrow blitzed the Sun’s rays.

Reishi = Light

Fullbringers use the “Reishi” in matter to fight and move at Bringer “Light” speeds.

The Material World/Real World/Our Universe was based from the Reishi World. The Reishi World existed before the Real World. Anything in the Real World is a copy of the Reishi world.
 
Also didn't we agree this is the point in the story where Kubo's art work really starts getting bad and he has been having trouble with properly setting up scale?
 
Damage3245 said:
This isn't true. Nowhere is this accepted.
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It happened. Wherever you accept it or not is on you. I don’t care.

NVDIppb_d.webp

Uqt7rTi_d.webp

The sun had already risen.

 
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The inconsistent art doesn't even matter here. The op's argument here is that light should not be reflected in so and so way because Zabimaru is a flat surface when this could simply be because Kubo is not well versed in physics and simply thought it would have been reflected in that manner. Also the entire premise of this argument is that Zabimaru is a flat surface so light shouldn't be reflecting like this when we literally see Zabimaru have various ridges where its blade can extend and the light could have simply hit these ridges and lead to a diffused reflection similar to what was portrayed in the feat.
 
Damage3245 said:
Why are you asking questions about my calc on this thread that has nothing to do with it?
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The calc is erroneous. That is the meaning of his question. Of all the irrelevant stuff mentioned in the thread you try to avoid the question of something you created.
 
AppleLord said:
The calc is erroneous. That is the meaning of his question. Of all the irrelevant stuff mentioned in the thread you try to avoid the question of something you created.
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Okay, well let me answer his question with: No. Ichigo does not have a 2.5 meter neck in the calc.
 
Damage3245 said:
Okay, well let me answer his question with: No. Ichigo does not have a 2.5 meter neck in the calc.
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Thank you. What’s that to hard to do? You would had saved space and avoid people spamming this thread with irrelevant stuff. Aren’t you a mod? Is your job.
 
AppleLord said:
Thank you. What’s that to hard to do? You would had saved space and avoid people spamming this thread with irrelevant stuff. Aren’t you a mod? Is your job.
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It was literally said earlier in the thread that this wasn't the place to discuss the calc, and people were asked to move on. Then he asked about the calc anyway.

If anything I should have just deleted his comment for being off-topic.
 
I'll respond to the sunlight point after work.

To respond to the other main point

No I am not simply nitpicking stylistic art choices.

The claim is that the light is reflecting. This has to be quite essentially true to prove it's light speed because otherwise you only end up with one factor which is that it's called light

A singular scene of a star effect expanding out is being interpreted as reflection despite most of the rest of the same being cut out because Kubo likes to skip sequences.

So far the argument is, "it's reflection because I said it is"

I've explained in detail why it's not just the angle shot that makes it impossible to determine that is truly reflection

I've also brought up two other points that bring into question whether it is light speed

That being the sound it produces upon impact and the other point being the heat absorption. The heat absorption means the blade absorbed the light as heat, not that it reflected it.

Other issue is that the amount of energy required for the vaporization brings into question whether it's going in a constant speed as it requires more momentum which frankly is another anti-feat.

Case in point there's far too much leniency being put here in a potentially shoddy shot
 
This is in response to torsin.

I will respond to Apple later although I do appreciate that his argument is by far the most interesting so far and a fresh argument
 
Arcker123 said:
what makes it inconsistent
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I was responding to Apple saying that the page with Rukia & Renji's arrival somehow makes it consistent. When the light created from them entering the barrier has nothing to do with the feat. (In fact, if we really wanted to make a stretch we could say it confirms them not being FTL since the light from their arrival reached Mask before they descended far from the barrier).
 
Damage3245 said:
I was responding to Apple saying that the page with Rukia & Renji's arrival somehow makes it consistent. When the light created from them entering the barrier has nothing to do with the feat. (In fact, if we really wanted to make a stretch we could say it confirms them not being FTL since the light from their arrival reached Mask before they descended far from the barrier).
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But I never asked about the Renji and Rukia arrival? It was @Arcker123.
 
AppleLord said:
It happened. Wherever you accept it or not is on you. I don’t care.

NVDIppb_d.webp

Uqt7rTi_d.webp

The sun had already risen.

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What do the first sequences prove? I don't get the argument

As for the novel and data book scans, I don't see how they change anything. I'm fully aware theu are called light, in the same way cerod have been called light.

We already accept the point of masks being being called light

It doesn't prove it's traveling at the speed of light
 
Cyberblader90 said:
What do the first sequences prove? I don't get the argument

As for the novel and data book scans, I don't see how they change anything. I'm fully aware theu are called light, in the same way cerod have been called light.

We already accept the point of masks being being called light

It doesn't prove it's traveling at the speed of light
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Light not traveling at the speed of light is no argument. Light is based on Reishi Light as everything else. Reishi existed before Light or anything in our universe existed.

As for the feat.

1. The Reishi sun came out.

2. The Reishi arrow was fired.

3. The Reishi arrow reached the blade before the Reishi sun rays.
 
But that's literally the point of the thread though?

I'm contesting the light from mask being light speed given aspects that play out that give anti-feats to that notion
 
Cyberblader90 said:
But that's literally the point of the threat though?

I'm contesting the light from mask being light speed given aspects that play out that give anti-feats to that notion
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Sorry. But that just means you made a wrong assumption.

Reishi Light > Light according to the lore of how the verse was created.
 
Again though.

None of the scans you have provided have anything to do with the speed of light.

I would say using the arrows is a terrible comparison since they literally have a massive amount of impact Force when they hit stuff and arrows have exploded before. If anything that adds to The credibility of light from the Quincy's in general not functioning at the speed of light.
 
@Cyber, Lmao the anti feat is your opinion that since it didn’t reflect in a certain extremely specific way it doesn’t count. I’ve never seen anyone try and claim the bs you’re trying to pull here and honestly it’s starting to sound more like spite when you literally bring up a ******* sword from the internet to help your case here. Sorry but it’s bullshit.
 
SilentBob34 said:
@Cyber, Lmao the anti feat is your opinion that since it didn’t reflect in a certain extremely specific way it doesn’t count. I’ve never seen anyone try and claim the bs you’re trying to pull here and honestly it’s starting to sound more like spite when you literally bring up a ******* sword from the internet to help your case here. Sorry but it’s bullshit.
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It's not a singular one

It's the angle, the heat absorption, the sound, and the heat level from the vaporization all of which imply that it's not traveling at a constant speed indicative of the speed of light.

Apple tried adding the point of the Quincy arrows but if we're arguing it's the same reishi that just further worsens things because those arrows are literally have massive impact horse and explode sometimes and I keep seeing people say that Kubo doesn't care about angle compositions


Literally wrong since he chose to depict perfect angle shot right here
 
Cyberblader90 said:
A singular scene of a star effect expanding out is being interpreted as reflection despite most of the rest of the same being cut out because Kubo likes to skip sequences.
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The singular scene of the star expanding out after hitting Renji's sword would quite literally be reflection unless Renji's sword has a special ability of reflecting attacks off of it. We see each point in the star expanding and reflecting back. It is on you to prove that Mask's beam somehow expands into the shape of a star always. From what we are shown the most logical assumption is that the end of the beam was shaped like a perfect star. This is confirmed when we see the hole in the captain's chest which is shaped exactly like the one on Mask's head. The light expands and reflects out after hitting Renji's sword.
Other issue is that the amount of energy required for the vaporization brings into question whether it's going in a constant speed as it requires more momentum which frankly is another anti-feat.
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I believe your claim here was that the energy output to vaporize something with light would inadvertently burn the atmosphere and have AOE effects?
If this is the case then this is an AOE fallacy as pointed out by @AnonymousBlank somewhere in this thread.
Mask could just have been controlling his energy to limit it to a certain point and Anon even used the case of dragon ball character's ki control to prove the point. To add on this is you again nitpicking and dwelving too much into physics. Using this logic as I pointed out before mftl should'nt even be a tier since it is impossible according to physics.
 
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Cyberblader90 said:
Again though.

None of the scans you have provided have anything to do with the speed of light.

I would say using the arrows is a terrible comparison since they literally have a massive amount of impact Force when they hit stuff and arrows have exploded before. If anything that adds to The credibility of light from the Quincy's in general not functioning at the speed of light.
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Where have arrows explode before? Provide a scan because that I don’t remember ever happening.

Light travels at a speed of 299,792 kilometers per second; 186,287 miles per second. It takes 499.0 seconds for light to travel from the Sun to the Earth, a distance called 1 Astronomical Unit.

The Arrow shot after the sun came out blitzed the sun rays.
 
@Cuber, And AGAIN, do you seriously expect Kubo to draw everything to a ******* T man? I kinda wish you’d redraw the scene and show us exactly how the light should’ve reflected and the sound it should’ve made or how much it should’ve burn cause god damn, you apparently discovered how light speed works in real life so every single little thing should apply for a fictional series on paper. Your argument is total bullshit man. Especially with the whole “muh der, if their lightspeed they should travel across the world In a single step and they don’t”. It’s all bullshit.
 
You’re being so specific that ANY verse and ANY feat with a light beam calc will be denied and it’s blowing my mind right now. Next you’re gonna say well since the lightning bolt in that picture didn’t come down at this specific angle and hit this specific spot proves it’s not real lightning. Also the sound effects aren’t the real sound of lightning and it didn’t burn the person like it should’ve.
 
Whether or not this feat is still used, I think there are issues with the scaling that I'll be making a thread to tackle at some point.
 
@Dangai, I was calm and was even going for it for the outlier argument, but Cyber’s examples are bordering on the insane side and if the wiki ran by his rules, then nobody would be faster than a human since apparently they have to travel the distance of whatever speed they’re calced at otherwise it’s not “realistic”.
 
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