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What is Happening?

But in a way, I am glad because with lots of members leaving it does bring to light all the problems this wiki has and everyone might take this problem seriously, fix the problems, and make it better for new members.

and who knows, if everyone that left came back they would see that the wiki is run much better then when they had left it
 
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One of the main problems is staff having this virtually overwhelming power. CRT's get shut down and are dead in the water as soon as a couple of mods disagree, even when a overwhelming non-staff majority agree. CRT's that "upcoming" are still in the "making" 2, 3 or even more years later because mods disagreed on what to do. Mods vote shouldn't count any more than a regular user unless they are a supporter/knowledgeable member of the verse.
 
One of the main problems is staff having this virtually overwhelming power. CRT's get shut down and are dead in the water as soon as a couple of mods disagree, even when a overwhelming non-staff majority agree. CRT's that "upcoming" are still in the "making" 2, 3 or even more years later because mods disagreed on what to do. Mods vote shouldn't count any more than a regular user unless they are a supporter/knowledgeable member of the verse.
One of my biggest problems, too. Ultimately it’s the mods that say what gets approved, regardless if they’re knowledgeable.
 
I feel like while users leaving can make you feel down, it's not like it's bad if it's for personal reasons that are completely understandable. What's more upsetting are users who are leaving because of bad experiences. Eg this thread, any reasonable person would start questioning the staff members by reading that alone.

And it's not like it's only the staffs have problem. Regular users too, in particular older users, users who are deemed helpful, or knowledgeable users being toxic or not really inclusive (and getting slap on the wrist as punishment). I've only really had one bad experience regarding this one, regarding a favorite verse of mine, but said experience has left me hesitant to ever actually interact that much with discussions concerning that verse, if at all. That can happen to anyone and looking at the violation reports thread it happens quite a lot.

Ultimately, just try to shape up and have fun, lads. It's the best we can do individually.
 
I feel like while users leaving can make you feel down, it's not like it's bad if it's for personal reasons that are completely understandable. What's more upsetting are users who are leaving because of bad experiences. Eg this thread, any reasonable person would start questioning the staff members by reading that alone.

And it's not like it's only the staffs have problem. Regular users too, in particular older users, users who are deemed helpful, or knowledgeable users being toxic or not really inclusive (and getting slap on the wrist as punishment). I've only really had one bad experience regarding this one, regarding a favorite verse of mine, but said experience has left me hesitant to ever actually interact that much with discussions concerning that verse, if at all. That can happen to anyone and looking at the violation reports thread it happens quite a lot.

Ultimately, just try to shape up and have fun, lads. It's the best we can do individually.
Agreed, also while it is upsetting we shouldn't force people or peer pressure (We can do this and not realize we're doing it) anyone to stay and keep doing something that makes them unhappy enough to leave, and besides a lot of the staff that are leaving still can be contacted on discord or other fandom wiki's and some members aren't leaving permanently only for now.
 
I suggest you guys try reading the thread though. That's not a particularly concrete example of mods powertripping, since knowledgeable users are allowed to participate in it.
The reason it's a restricted thread is because the previous CRT upgrade was also a completely rushed and toxic mess, and it seems to be continuing in that thread too. Disregarding any issues of individual users.
 
Can’t say I’m surprised of that concerning their current stats.

I’ve had this issue with Fate a while back when I was still fairly new ish but knowing I wasn’t going to be able to get anywhere, I simply dropped out of that. Same with another I like that had to be deleted off for having questionably translations of feats (Mondaiji). And even verses I like still like DMC and Record of Ragnarok drives me away from CRT’s cuz of how long and tiresome those threads can be, not to mention the toxicity I see or the constant back and forth of arguments cuz somehow there’s always one or a few things people will refuse to agree or disagree with.

Only thing I have at this point is just minding my own business whenever I come on here.
 
In retrospect, at lot of conflicts on this site wouldn't happen if folks didn't go into threads with preconceptions about a verse and it's supporters on top of more transparency between users when a major thread is about to be published.

We even had a discussion (pre-forum move) about users communicating (beforehand) with the supporters/opponents of a verse before posting upgrade/downgrade CRTs as to avoid potential bad blood as well as give both sides some fore-warning yet it seems those talks have fallen on deaf ears which leads to CRTs being posted outta pure spite, all the way to going nowhere fast (and everything in between).

Add-in the issues already brought up in this thread and you've got the perfect recipe for disaster, the bottom line is (as cliche as it sounds) when Vs debating stops being enjoyable, you've gotta wonder what still motivates you to carry on? (life is precious, so wasting it on something you no longer have a passion for is just crazy!).
 
Can’t say I’m surprised of that concerning their current stats.

I’ve had this issue with Fate a while back when I was still fairly new ish but knowing I wasn’t going to be able to get anywhere, I simply dropped out of that. Same with another I like that had to be deleted off for having questionably translations of feats (Mondaiji). And even verses I like still like DMC and Record of Ragnarok drives me away from CRT’s cuz of how long and tiresome those threads can be, not to mention the toxicity I see or the constant back and forth of arguments cuz somehow there’s always one or a few things people will refuse to agree or disagree with.

Only thing I have at this point is just minding my own business whenever I come on here.
Wait, which the issues Fate has? I didn't remembered it well
 
I agree with should be trying hard to remained civilized and trying to resolve drama rather than spreading or causing them. I don't blame the multitude of people leaving the wiki, but there are so many faces I'm missing already, and some other events aren't making those losses any easier to cope with.
 
Anyway a reminder that technically i should'nt be here anymore, i was planned to leaved a wiki back in October (or September? Can't remember), but decided to stay just to see the new forum to "you know what, i became a observer then", its kind of miraclous that i can stay here for longer time

However that doesn't mean i didn't had issues, i had a lot of issues (only one solved so far and its my temper) consist:

1. The less variety of match-up. If you know me then you know that i'm the one of peoples that made a lot of vs match-up, the reason why i didn't made it so much anymore was because the rise-fall of the hax and AP, made it inconsitent thus affected the match-up variety

2. I developed some of huge dislike to a users i found annoying and its not healthy, from (formerly) Earl, BlackDarkness, and now Tllmbrg. Its really ironic since i want to had a lot of friends

3. And speaking of friends, many of my friends here are leaving so yeah....lonely lel

4. Not surprisingly, i also witnessed the unfairness from the staff members, to the point i called it "dictactorship"

5. (Not a issues but rather a new interest) you know VTubers? If yes then admit that because of them, your usual internet activities are decreased, and that happened to me 😂
 
A lot of people talk about the problems the world is facing, using that to justify why some members are stressed. While that's true, it didn't happen with me. World is being kind to me, everything good is happening to me. But the wiki alone made me quit.

I spent a lot of hours creating arguments, profiles, CRTs and calculations. Sometimes, I spent hours and hours at dawn doing these things. It went from a hobby to a work, something extremely stressful. And in the end, no recognition for that. I also didn't feel any pleasure in doing what I did anymore. This, together with all the other reasons in my thread, were the ones that made me quit.
 
And as I said before, the staff knows the problem, they are aware of that. But they don't do anything to fix it. And if they don't fix it as fast as possible, more members will quit.

You guys are surprised with ~10 members quitting, that's because they annouced their leaving, think about how many members just quit without saying anything
 
@Veloxt1r0kore Mainly the fact of how feats tend to be rated, but then again I always have to remind myself, and to everyone more less, that this LITERALLY applies to all other verses regardless of the ones you know or don't know, like or dislike.

Either that and/or it just got overwhelming for me...which I honestly shouldn't have much excuse with considering everyone else has way more verses to work with than I do, but my case is just more of borderline disinterest of everything at this point unless it either pertains to the verses I would see myself be active in or be around to look at Japanese scans and whatnot.
 
@M3X

I definitely see that as the reason. But them not fixing the problem can either be a slow thing or they just won't do anything as you said, leaving to more people leaving overtime if this keeps up.

And definitely. Heck I'd literally be one of the people who'd leave without saying anything. Not even on my profile if I didn't have my remaining reasons for still being here intact.
 
I know I said I quit (well I will after I help out a friend with their revisions, a friend sent m this thread), but I just wanted to say I left not because of real life nor lack of interests. I did so because of the rules and how painfully obvious that any decisions can be rejected if anyone who isn't a blue name said so. And I am tried of arguing with walls. Anyways see ya until my friend makes his CRT, then I'm out.
 
I know I said I quit (well I will after I help out a friend with their revisions, a friend sent m this thread), but I just wanted to say I left not because of real life nor lack of interests. I did so because of the rules and how painfully obvious that any decisions can be rejected if anyone who isn't a blue name said so. And I am tried of arguing with walls. Anyways see ya until my friend makes his CRT, then I'm out.
Firebranding doesn't suit ye, friend. Would just like to peep in with my thoughts, briefly.

People come and go, recently I suspect the world being as volatile a place has had some impact on people dropping. Furthermore, I'm of the belief that it is currently what we professionals call a trend- people are leaving because other people are leaving. Their own grudges with VSBW are now coming to light and being amplified because it is obvious this is having some effect, whereas if they simply left of their own volition at some other time, they'd only be a drop removed from an ocean.

Regarding the attempted jab at "only staff have power"- this is constantly the mantra of folks who have been rejected. But need I remind you that this isn't the case? We have countless blue names who are asked to step in and be experts on things. Agnaa, for an example that most people know of. Furthermore, all staff were selected from the rank and file of blue namery. I personally was asked to come here from another website entirely. Claiming some kind of nepotism is happening behind the scenes doesn't really make sense given the above (and also ignores how most staff tend to bicker and argue as much as any blue name does). I'm sorry that your points were rejected, you have my condolences, but don't make it about how gee golly oppressive the staff are.

If it helps, conditions have only improved. Back when I first joined the wiki I was doing the same old shit. Thought the staff were just trying to block me out, what with my ideas being so obviously correct and totally not stupid (they were wrong and very stupid, in hindsight), and got myself banned for calling a staff member (Hop, in fact) an asshat. Shit's improved since then.

I dunno if you folks in this thread just want to rag on staff for your own personal reasons, I suppose that's your choice to do and I won't stop you, but uh... remember the person on the other side of the screen. Don't be dicks. Or, at least, save the dickery for off-wiki recreation time. And finally, in closing, don't do what M3X did. This shit ain't a job, almost everyone understands that. No need to become horribly addicted to this stuff.
 
Yes. Unless you are a manic / psychopath, don't spend hours doing calcs or edits
I believe I fall into the latter, friend. Too many damn D&D pages to make.
 
Regarding the attempted jab at "only staff have power"- this is constantly the mantra of folks who have been rejected.
No ******* shit, why else would I call it out when I hardly have a member doing so? Why else would it be called out?


We have countless blue names who are asked to step in and be experts on things. Agnaa, for an example that most people know of.
You mean the person who's been asked to become staff several times? Not a good choice my friend. Blue names, regardless of expertise, can and have been veto'd. Also defender of staff is staff, lol.

My last post, see you until that other CRT.
 
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