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What is Happening?

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I’m absolutely certain I’m not the only one who doesn’t noticed this, but there is certainly a noticeable shift within the wiki.

People are leaving in droves, at least one person a week from what I’ve seen. Mods, members, no real discrimination in who. Either from lack of interest for various reasons, wiki standards, or overall just moving on from the wiki as a whole. If not, all of them. I’ve noticed this a lot, and none of them seem to break this trend.

Lots of prominent names here, or at least ones I can recall from memory. Yvel, M3X, Weeb, Dargoo, Apex, and the list goes on. I haven’t been on this wiki for much longer than 2 years, at most. But it is enough for a newbie to observe the tide in this community, and most people seem increasingly more displeased here.

Debating is something I take more seriously than I would try and deny—I’m a very argumentative person, and an expressive one. Why I say this is because I believe there’s a lot of things killing people’s overall interest in debating, en masse. I think these should seriously be addressed, because while the gap can likely always be filled with new members, that doesn’t necessarily fix the problems at hand. I would be lying to myself I said I didn’t admittedly make friends on this site, starting with being a rookie who upgraded Pit to 4-A, to an avid Tensura supporter, and now a mainline supporter of Persona / SMT, it’s certainly being an experience.

These are merely my 5 AM thoughts, so feel free to leave yours below. Try to be respectful.
 
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Some don't like how things are being run here, others aren't as interested in debating anymore or just frankly have more important things going on in their lives.

It is true though, quite a few people are quitting recently and it's not a good sign, I personally don't see myself sticking around for much longer either, mostly for the same reasons a couple others have left.
 
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Yeah, with the amount of people leaving recently, ya know something ain't right. It's likely gotta do with (From what I can tell):

  • Displeased with how the wiki functions (It's rules and regulations)
  • The staff and how it treats the wiki and it's members
  • Loss of interest or passion in the wiki
  • The state of the world and their personal life.
  • The very nature of VS debating and debating in general, and the toxicity it brings
 
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Some don't like how things are being run here, others aren't as interested in debating anymore or just frankly have more important things going on in their lives.

It is true though, quite a few people are quitting recently and it's not a good sign, I personally don't see myself sticking around for much longer either, mostly for the same reasons a couple others have left.
I’m of this road too, because there are only really 2 verses I still stick here for. SMT (Persona), and Tensura. Afterwards, I really do not have much to stay here for.
 
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I remember seeing a post here recently, but there was someone that brought up an interesting point of that the tiering system is really flawed, and that trying to fit so many different verses under one tiering system was a bad idea, due to immensely different cosmologies and that this causes several verses to never be able to get a truly accurate rating for them. I don't agree with everything that was stated in the post, but it was an interesting point they brought up.
 
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I’m pretty much borderline close on the edge to not be here anymore either. The only things I’m here for is a single verse I like (What a Beautiful/Steampunk Series) and doing some rough TL’s here and there for the site seeing as no one is doing them. Were those two gone, I’d have left right now or a while ago.

That said, I have been noticing this too as well and it is in a way sad that people are leaving. But at the same time I cannot fault them for doing so either. As Emirp pointed, it’s at least one of those several reasons that have people leaving, mod or normal.
 

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I personally think that the limitation in this wiki related to how our system, rules and even "culture" of VsDebating is very problematic and if someone has very different opinions from what is stated in the great rules, it's easy to someone to feel somehow oppressed by the system and this sensation might be enough to make someone quit this place.

And we could still consider the pressure of doing revisions, the toxicity among the members, the very hard work that is to work with certain franchises and so on. Isn't really something very easy to do, and although the very rules that governs this place are something that I consider that is a cause for all of this, the reaction of the users to it already turned into a whole new problem.

In such situation, I think it's easy to understand why so many people are deciding to quit the place, even if it's simply to move for another forum with rules that work better for said person.
 
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I personally think that the limitation in this wiki related to how our system, rules and even "culture" of VsDebating is very problematic and if someone has very different opinions from what is stated in the great rules, it's easy to someone to feel somehow oppressed by the system and this sensation might be enough to make someone quit this place.

And we could still consider the pressure of doing revisions, the toxicity among the members, the very hard work that is to work with certain franchises and so on. Isn't really something very easy to do, and although the very rules that governs this place are something that I consider that is a cause for all of this, the reaction of the users to it already turned into a whole new problem.

In such situation, I think it's easy to understand why so many people are deciding to quit the place, even if it's simply to move for another forum with rules that work better for said person.
I definitely agree. While I didn’t like the way he went about it, Kukui expressed his vivid displeasure with the double standards of some verses needing Japanese scans to prove their point despite being decades old, and other verses getting off scot free.

I’m still of the belief that all users are not made equal, and moderators generally seem to have more weight in their opinion, even if there are disagreements, and their sense of judgment is automatically accepted before any other rebuttals. That, in particular, is what made Yvel leave.
 

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That by itself is part of some of the problems that I have with the rules, along with how we deal with the very meaning of canon itself. I think that as some of these questions started with a very closed-mind approach even outside of VsDebating (Such as some works with a more defined canon as Star Wars) some people simply started to think that such approaches are the standard, or even, the only true way of analyzing a work of fiction. While in reality, fiction is much more open-minded and with various different approaches to how it could be analyzed. The reason for why there are different literary schools of though is exactly an example of that. Everything could be analyzed in multiple ways, and even if we decided that this Wiki should simply be one "literary school", it definitely shouldn't be taken as an "absolute example" or "what should be seen as a standard". And the same should go to any VsDebating forum, wiki or private group, everything is open to interpretation.

And of course, since we have such culture, it's just natural that some members (Be it staff members or not) are normally considered first before new members simply due to being an already established person. Not a thing only here, but in social medias as a whole. It's no surprised that in already well established Digimon forums, I'm the outsider that says things without any sense and should be considered a "crazy person that hurts what has been already accepted for years". Sadly I think that the problem is something from the "human heart" and society as a whole, and the way that some places are managed only makes such toxicity to develop and start to be accepted as normal, or even, as the only right thing to do.
 
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While in reality, fiction is much more open-minded and with various different approaches to how it could be analyzed. The reason for why there are different literary schools of though is exactly an example of that. Everything could be analyzed in multiple ways, and even if we decided that this Wiki should simply be one "literary school", it definitely shouldn't be taken as an "absolute example" or "what should be seen as a standard".
This is partially why I’ve stopped using the word “wank”. Since there are so many users, with so many individual perceptions, with their own individual logical conclusions, it’s obvious this wiki will never reach true, objective, 100% reality on the stats of these characters. Forgive me for getting a little philosophical, but it’s just my stance on it. Now, obviously this doesn’t refer to someone thinking a verse with only mountain busters has a multiversal feat, then that’s simply just not factual, or “incorrect”.

However, imagine going under a CRT and you have their tier set in stone. At least, you believe you do. Then you go through the same game again, and you’ll find stuff that was simply right in front of your face, but never acknowledged or just completely ignored, and shaped your own conclusions and interpretations. What you believed was “objective”, was now wrong. That’s simply how I believe this wiki is, and the same for downgrades.
 

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That is also, just another theme that I'm also against. Just like Canon, I'm also very against the definition of outlier that we use, that also works against multiple points of view and interpretation, as in my opinion, is jut another case of really not understanding the more open meaning of a word and its consequences.

Different opinions, ways of thinking, etc. A lot of this sadly is simply ignored and although I would be fine with just being said "we don't follow such rules" (As I can understand a certain place deciding to follow a certain school of thought instead of another one), the way that it's handled isn't exactly how I would like it to be handled. At least no one is really obligated to be here, as such if someone simply doesn't like the system, it can goes to another place or simply give up on VsDebating as a whole, that is exactly what you are mentioning in the thread.

I personally would really like a more open place that allows more of different tiers, while still having a well define, but still diverse, tiering system. Although I don't think that such place exists already, I do think that at least people are still free to try to find, or even create, such place.
 
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Isn’t that sorta CSAP?
I think that was the wiki that had a few interpretations per profile, I think it already exists.
 

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Really, while i won't deny the possibility of people leaving due to the overall wiki atmosphere (Because that certaintly has happend) i think it just coincides with the overal age demographic of this wiki. Many people, who have joined around the same time are probably around the same age/age range. many young people who joined as teenages might be in highschool now, many highschoolers might be in college now, many college students might be job hunting now. VSB is nothing more than a hobby, a distraction from real life, and people at that point in their life shoudn't distract themselve that easily.

2020 is another major reason. Many people who might have spended their time here as a short daily hobby here were forced to spend their time at home, meaning they probably spend a bigger portion of their time on the wiki. You will only understand the problems you have with something if you spend time on it. What might have annoyed a little bit because it happend once in a while might become a fullblown issue because you're exposed longer to it. And this applied to nearly every member here, people you might consider good and people you might consider bad. You can guess how easily smaller problems can cascade into massive issues throughout the year. It propells burnout, distaste or just a general epiphany of time being wasted.

It just happend to allign that way. I can't blame people, normal users and mods alike, to behave their worst throughout this year at all. And neither can i blame people being annoyed by each other due to bad behavior, which keeps spiraling down and down. Ant might keep repeating his catchphrase at this point but he has especially a point in 2020. The only "fix" to the natural flow here is to hope that 2021 brings back normality, so everyone can pent up their stress in their preffered, normal way. And maybe then, when the atmosphere returns to its lighthearted nature back, people might come back again.
 

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I also agree with that. It just so many things that happened at the same time that are giving more and more reasons for this to happen. I supposed that one day this would happen, but the surprises at 2020 simply turned everything more serious and fast.
 
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Many people, who have joined around the same time are probably around the same age/age range. many young people who joined as teenages might be in highschool now, many highschoolers might be in college now, many college students might be job hunting now. VSB is nothing more than a hobby, a distraction from real life, and people at that point in their life shoudn't distract themselve that easily.
I agree, like I said I’ve only been here for two years, and I’m still a high schooler. Soon to be a graduate, but for now all I have is free time.
 
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TBH, if it wasn't for quarantine, I likely wouldn't have joined the wiki, I joined here because of extreme boredom
 
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VSB is nothing more than a hobby, a distraction from real life, and people at that point in their life shoudn't distract themselve that easily.

2020 is another major reason.
I agree, this is pretty much it. For me personally, anyways, but I'm sure it's true in general.

Regards to the 2020 thing, I only started interacting in this wiki around the middle late last year, aside from previously just lurking around. Because of the pandemic giving me a bit more time on my hands. While I'm a person that can be very easily distracted, and because of 2020 keeping me mostly indoors, doesn't mean that my obligations in real life would just stop existing. Especially in the following weeks with college.

Regarding the issues of the wiki, I can see that much of it is true. But personally, what made me invest more of my time in this wiki is because I like indexing, which is like the most prominent function this wiki and forum have. Which means that it also has the biggest problems, but I just tend to have less interactions in the forum outside of the verses that I like (mostly Tensura and MHA, and a few others). Versus Debating, I believe is also a cause of much of these problems, but again I care less and less about it and more about indexing so it hasn't affected me much at all. As human beings, our judgment always has bias in it and the environment in our wiki can affect that by a lot, but I can at least proudly say that I have stayed as objective as possible in my rather small contributions.

Lately, a lot of bad things have been happening all around me, and I've been at odds on whether or not to stay at all because of this. Ultimately, since I don't really interact with the majority of the wiki here, only staying on my favorite verses, it has worked for being not much of a source of stress but more as a distraction or hobby that keeps me sane.

Basically, I just stick to the parts of this wiki that is least toxic (I've had my small tiny of toxic encounters, gatekeeping, etc.), and more to the discussions that I actually enjoy, try to be as objective as possible, and sometimes give my input into my thoughts about how to make the wiki better overall. It may give me more longevity in this wiki and just being like this means I won't contribute to the problems this wiki have.
 
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Yeah, with the amount of people leaving recently, ya know something ain't right. It's likely gotta do with (From what I can tell):

  • Displeased with how the wiki functions (It's rules and regulations)
  • The staff and how it treats the wiki and it's members
  • Loss of interest or passion in the wiki
  • The state of the world and their personal life.
  • The very nature of VS debating and debating in general, and the toxicity it brings
You almost got it. You missed the fact that some people support only verses that get no attention when it comes to CRT's and matches, so the wiki is pretty much useless for them and then they leave. Even some more known verses are like that. Mainly light novel, HST and ultra hax verses get the spotlight.
 
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I've seen some of the members who left claim that they're leaving the wiki because they just don't find powerscaling a fun hobby anymore, which is what lead to me making a joke about battleboards being the opposite of golfing.

You like golfing the older you are, and you like battleboards the younger you are. It's a silly comparison, I know.
 
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Personally, with all these departures I've started growing worried of what the future of the wiki will be, in a way or another.
As long as key members stay and users don't have massive exodus, the wiki won't die. But the problems we currently have will still exist, and may or may not get worse especially with an influx of new users that are new to the rules, that entire combo.

I believe there is already a post by a certain mod here that addresses a lot of the problems and it has caused many users to quit as well.

One of the ways to improve the wiki is just to nurture a positive and objective community, and step-by-step improve the rules and standards. Constant adaptation. For the users' part, also a lot of introspection would also help.

Easier said than done though. It all begins with individually being objective and not being a toxic user.
 

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The problem I see is that key members are necessary, and a lot of people leaving may cause a decrease of their morale and an increase of the workload.
Some users, staff and non, are simply necessary to keep the whole thing from crumbling.

I also feel a sort of sadness towards unfinished works, revision, verses etc..., like looking at an old and forgotten structure.
 
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You almost got it. You missed the fact that some people support only verses that get no attention when it comes to CRT's and matches, so the wiki is pretty much useless for them and then they leave. Even some more known verses are like that. Mainly light novel, HST and ultra hax verses get the spotlight.
Remembered Nurarihyon no Mago and Silverio was exist in this wiki yet they're barely touched

Ah fudge
 

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You almost got it. You missed the fact that some people support only verses that get no attention when it comes to CRT's and matches, so the wiki is pretty much useless for them and then they leave. Even some more known verses are like that. Mainly light novel, HST and ultra hax verses get the spotlight.
Me looking at my obscure VN and LN verses.

I understand that sentiment, after i create a new verse, i generally don't feel like doing CRTS, especially since it's hard to get calcs done, and even if i somehow figure out how to make the calc myself, i have to hunt down the calc members.
 

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It also doesn't help that there was a 'migration' that went for over 6 months which kinda didn't help with the lost activity on wiki then having the forum and the profiles on 2 separate platforms is another point that make harder for users to come and go, which mean less activity.
 
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It also doesn't help that there was a 'migration' that went for over 6 months which kinda didn't help with the lost activity on wiki then having the forum and the profiles on 2 separate platforms is another point that make harder for users to come and go, which mean less activity.

I can see this being as another factor for leaving as well. I literally had my activity cut quite a bit and by that time I really didn't have much else to do around VSB. Even now it's the same, and I find it a miracle I'm even around for something I like here to keep me around...
 
Something that frustrates me on the wiki is the how some abilities are so confusing like Type 2 Conceptual manipulation and transduality. ticks me off, and i try to understand them. And when i finally think i do. A verse comes along and contradicts what i thought was acceptable with it. Won't name any verses here.

Anyways, i don't plan on leaving any time soon, but due to economic times working 6 days a week 12 hour shifts to get buy at a hard labor hands on factory... really takes a lot out of you.. and demotivates you from doing anything..
 
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Agreed I got my account approved 2 days ago and 2 staff members left within that time, it's pretty upsetting.

I first started noticing people leaving in November - December.
 
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But in a way, I am glad because with lots of members leaving it does bring to light all the problems this wiki has and everyone might take this problem seriously, fix the problems, and make it better for new members.

and who knows, if everyone that left came back they would see that the wiki is run much better then when they had left it
 
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One of the main problems is staff having this virtually overwhelming power. CRT's get shut down and are dead in the water as soon as a couple of mods disagree, even when a overwhelming non-staff majority agree. CRT's that "upcoming" are still in the "making" 2, 3 or even more years later because mods disagreed on what to do. Mods vote shouldn't count any more than a regular user unless they are a supporter/knowledgeable member of the verse.
 
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One of the main problems is staff having this virtually overwhelming power. CRT's get shut down and are dead in the water as soon as a couple of mods disagree, even when a overwhelming non-staff majority agree. CRT's that "upcoming" are still in the "making" 2, 3 or even more years later because mods disagreed on what to do. Mods vote shouldn't count any more than a regular user unless they are a supporter/knowledgeable member of the verse.
One of my biggest problems, too. Ultimately it’s the mods that say what gets approved, regardless if they’re knowledgeable.
 
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I feel like while users leaving can make you feel down, it's not like it's bad if it's for personal reasons that are completely understandable. What's more upsetting are users who are leaving because of bad experiences. Eg this thread, any reasonable person would start questioning the staff members by reading that alone.

And it's not like it's only the staffs have problem. Regular users too, in particular older users, users who are deemed helpful, or knowledgeable users being toxic or not really inclusive (and getting slap on the wrist as punishment). I've only really had one bad experience regarding this one, regarding a favorite verse of mine, but said experience has left me hesitant to ever actually interact that much with discussions concerning that verse, if at all. That can happen to anyone and looking at the violation reports thread it happens quite a lot.

Ultimately, just try to shape up and have fun, lads. It's the best we can do individually.
 
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I feel like while users leaving can make you feel down, it's not like it's bad if it's for personal reasons that are completely understandable. What's more upsetting are users who are leaving because of bad experiences. Eg this thread, any reasonable person would start questioning the staff members by reading that alone.

And it's not like it's only the staffs have problem. Regular users too, in particular older users, users who are deemed helpful, or knowledgeable users being toxic or not really inclusive (and getting slap on the wrist as punishment). I've only really had one bad experience regarding this one, regarding a favorite verse of mine, but said experience has left me hesitant to ever actually interact that much with discussions concerning that verse, if at all. That can happen to anyone and looking at the violation reports thread it happens quite a lot.

Ultimately, just try to shape up and have fun, lads. It's the best we can do individually.
Agreed, also while it is upsetting we shouldn't force people or peer pressure (We can do this and not realize we're doing it) anyone to stay and keep doing something that makes them unhappy enough to leave, and besides a lot of the staff that are leaving still can be contacted on discord or other fandom wiki's and some members aren't leaving permanently only for now.
 
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I suggest you guys try reading the thread though. That's not a particularly concrete example of mods powertripping, since knowledgeable users are allowed to participate in it.
The reason it's a restricted thread is because the previous CRT upgrade was also a completely rushed and toxic mess, and it seems to be continuing in that thread too. Disregarding any issues of individual users.
 
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Can’t say I’m surprised of that concerning their current stats.

I’ve had this issue with Fate a while back when I was still fairly new ish but knowing I wasn’t going to be able to get anywhere, I simply dropped out of that. Same with another I like that had to be deleted off for having questionably translations of feats (Mondaiji). And even verses I like still like DMC and Record of Ragnarok drives me away from CRT’s cuz of how long and tiresome those threads can be, not to mention the toxicity I see or the constant back and forth of arguments cuz somehow there’s always one or a few things people will refuse to agree or disagree with.

Only thing I have at this point is just minding my own business whenever I come on here.
 
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In retrospect, at lot of conflicts on this site wouldn't happen if folks didn't go into threads with preconceptions about a verse and it's supporters on top of more transparency between users when a major thread is about to be published.

We even had a discussion (pre-forum move) about users communicating (beforehand) with the supporters/opponents of a verse before posting upgrade/downgrade CRTs as to avoid potential bad blood as well as give both sides some fore-warning yet it seems those talks have fallen on deaf ears which leads to CRTs being posted outta pure spite, all the way to going nowhere fast (and everything in between).

Add-in the issues already brought up in this thread and you've got the perfect recipe for disaster, the bottom line is (as cliche as it sounds) when Vs debating stops being enjoyable, you've gotta wonder what still motivates you to carry on? (life is precious, so wasting it on something you no longer have a passion for is just crazy!).
 
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Can’t say I’m surprised of that concerning their current stats.

I’ve had this issue with Fate a while back when I was still fairly new ish but knowing I wasn’t going to be able to get anywhere, I simply dropped out of that. Same with another I like that had to be deleted off for having questionably translations of feats (Mondaiji). And even verses I like still like DMC and Record of Ragnarok drives me away from CRT’s cuz of how long and tiresome those threads can be, not to mention the toxicity I see or the constant back and forth of arguments cuz somehow there’s always one or a few things people will refuse to agree or disagree with.

Only thing I have at this point is just minding my own business whenever I come on here.
Wait, which the issues Fate has? I didn't remembered it well
 
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Anyway a reminder that technically i should'nt be here anymore, i was planned to leaved a wiki back in October (or September? Can't remember), but decided to stay just to see the new forum to "you know what, i became a observer then", its kind of miraclous that i can stay here for longer time

However that doesn't mean i didn't had issues, i had a lot of issues (only one solved so far and its my temper) consist:

1. The less variety of match-up. If you know me then you know that i'm the one of peoples that made a lot of vs match-up, the reason why i didn't made it so much anymore was because the rise-fall of the hax and AP, made it inconsitent thus affected the match-up variety

2. I developed some of huge dislike to a users i found annoying and its not healthy, from (formerly) Earl, BlackDarkness, and now Tllmbrg. Its really ironic since i want to had a lot of friends

3. And speaking of friends, many of my friends here are leaving so yeah....lonely lel

4. Not surprisingly, i also witnessed the unfairness from the staff members, to the point i called it "dictactorship"

5. (Not a issues but rather a new interest) you know VTubers? If yes then admit that because of them, your usual internet activities are decreased, and that happened to me 😂
 

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A lot of people talk about the problems the world is facing, using that to justify why some members are stressed. While that's true, it didn't happen with me. World is being kind to me, everything good is happening to me. But the wiki alone made me quit.

I spent a lot of hours creating arguments, profiles, CRTs and calculations. Sometimes, I spent hours and hours at dawn doing these things. It went from a hobby to a work, something extremely stressful. And in the end, no recognition for that. I also didn't feel any pleasure in doing what I did anymore. This, together with all the other reasons in my thread, were the ones that made me quit.
 

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And as I said before, the staff knows the problem, they are aware of that. But they don't do anything to fix it. And if they don't fix it as fast as possible, more members will quit.

You guys are surprised with ~10 members quitting, that's because they annouced their leaving, think about how many members just quit without saying anything
 
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@Veloxt1r0kore Mainly the fact of how feats tend to be rated, but then again I always have to remind myself, and to everyone more less, that this LITERALLY applies to all other verses regardless of the ones you know or don't know, like or dislike.

Either that and/or it just got overwhelming for me...which I honestly shouldn't have much excuse with considering everyone else has way more verses to work with than I do, but my case is just more of borderline disinterest of everything at this point unless it either pertains to the verses I would see myself be active in or be around to look at Japanese scans and whatnot.
 
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@M3X

I definitely see that as the reason. But them not fixing the problem can either be a slow thing or they just won't do anything as you said, leaving to more people leaving overtime if this keeps up.

And definitely. Heck I'd literally be one of the people who'd leave without saying anything. Not even on my profile if I didn't have my remaining reasons for still being here intact.
 
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I know I said I quit (well I will after I help out a friend with their revisions, a friend sent m this thread), but I just wanted to say I left not because of real life nor lack of interests. I did so because of the rules and how painfully obvious that any decisions can be rejected if anyone who isn't a blue name said so. And I am tried of arguing with walls. Anyways see ya until my friend makes his CRT, then I'm out.
 

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I know I said I quit (well I will after I help out a friend with their revisions, a friend sent m this thread), but I just wanted to say I left not because of real life nor lack of interests. I did so because of the rules and how painfully obvious that any decisions can be rejected if anyone who isn't a blue name said so. And I am tried of arguing with walls. Anyways see ya until my friend makes his CRT, then I'm out.
Firebranding doesn't suit ye, friend. Would just like to peep in with my thoughts, briefly.

People come and go, recently I suspect the world being as volatile a place has had some impact on people dropping. Furthermore, I'm of the belief that it is currently what we professionals call a trend- people are leaving because other people are leaving. Their own grudges with VSBW are now coming to light and being amplified because it is obvious this is having some effect, whereas if they simply left of their own volition at some other time, they'd only be a drop removed from an ocean.

Regarding the attempted jab at "only staff have power"- this is constantly the mantra of folks who have been rejected. But need I remind you that this isn't the case? We have countless blue names who are asked to step in and be experts on things. Agnaa, for an example that most people know of. Furthermore, all staff were selected from the rank and file of blue namery. I personally was asked to come here from another website entirely. Claiming some kind of nepotism is happening behind the scenes doesn't really make sense given the above (and also ignores how most staff tend to bicker and argue as much as any blue name does). I'm sorry that your points were rejected, you have my condolences, but don't make it about how gee golly oppressive the staff are.

If it helps, conditions have only improved. Back when I first joined the wiki I was doing the same old shit. Thought the staff were just trying to block me out, what with my ideas being so obviously correct and totally not stupid (they were wrong and very stupid, in hindsight), and got myself banned for calling a staff member (Hop, in fact) an asshat. Shit's improved since then.

I dunno if you folks in this thread just want to rag on staff for your own personal reasons, I suppose that's your choice to do and I won't stop you, but uh... remember the person on the other side of the screen. Don't be dicks. Or, at least, save the dickery for off-wiki recreation time. And finally, in closing, don't do what M3X did. This shit ain't a job, almost everyone understands that. No need to become horribly addicted to this stuff.
 

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Yes. Unless you are a manic / psychopath, don't spend hours doing calcs or edits
I believe I fall into the latter, friend. Too many damn D&D pages to make.
 
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Regarding the attempted jab at "only staff have power"- this is constantly the mantra of folks who have been rejected.
No fucking shit, why else would I call it out when I hardly have a member doing so? Why else would it be called out?


We have countless blue names who are asked to step in and be experts on things. Agnaa, for an example that most people know of.
You mean the person who's been asked to become staff several times? Not a good choice my friend. Blue names, regardless of expertise, can and have been veto'd. Also defender of staff is staff, lol.

My last post, see you until that other CRT.
 

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Would you believe me if I said that I spent hours (I should be sleeping) doing calculations because people asked, so that in the end they never participate in the wiki again?
That's why I was asked back, matey, back in 2018. Far cry from what I do now, but back in the day I was the most active calc-slave on the site. Never again. It is a thankless existence.

@DatWeeb People use the staff as a scapegoat when their threads fail and revisions are rejected because it is very difficult to accept when one is simply in the minority. The fact is, outside of a few staff examples that are the outlier rather than the rule, most staff members don't just enter a thread, declare disagreement, and leave, and its obtuse to think so.

"You mean the person who's been asked to become staff several times? Not a good choice my friend. Blue names, regardless of expertise, can and have been veto'd. Also defender of staff is staff, lol."

I do. Because, again, that's how it works. Staff are just blue names who were proven useful. We aren't grown in some lab in an exotic foreign country. I don't know why you've opted to become a VSBW QAnon believer but like... good luck, I guess.
 

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bro??? lmfaoo
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I know what I said.
 
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Well I just went to see what the fuss was again on that Report Thread and WOW...really a time to be around to see that going on. Smh...

Oh well, at least I got a laugh seeing these latest comments here. Thanks~
 

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Staff only... seems like a echo-chamber. I cannot in good conscious respect ANY crt's that are staff only.
I can't respect any fandom that relies on sheer force of numbers of overwhelm and drown out staff members.
 
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Well, vsbw seems to take USA approach with how the election went (electoral votes triumph all). Don't turn my word to political shit, it's just for comparison.

Anyway, not active in debate or crt anymore (not really invested to begin with). I just stay for the drama. Sometimes seeing people angry over dumb reason really make me smile.

Edit: Also, if I have to say something about what make people leave, I want to say it's because the standards inconsistency. Like seriously, standard shouldn't change so often, it shouldn't change at all unless some big thing happen. Imagine your law or amendment getting changed every year. The country or organization will collapse.

When scientist have move on from defining 1 as a number and the fraction and search for better equation, vsbattle keep redefining 1 as a number. Like bruh, the AP, speed, or some stuff that is already solid keep getting redefined. From A to B to C and eventually to A again and to B again. Make up your mind. I'm sure it make people who reference vsbattle as a good indexing site become salty. I'm not very surprised when people outside this forum said vsbattle is not reliable source when stuff like this happens. At one time X character is 2A, then it become 7A, then it become 2A again. People who reference vsbattle outside this forum must have been embarrassed (N-not talking from experience or anything).
 
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Mr._Bambu

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it is my belief that you cannot make a worse decision than to enter into debate threads. the number of staff simply cannot realistically patrol every thread, so like... you're guaranteed to find a real shitshow. if you must stick to your snide peanut gallery viewings, so be it, personally I try to remain in my hermit cave of D&D page creation and generally boo anybody attempting to associate with the verse in a versus-related capacity.
 
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Well most of my interactions with "blue names" are honestly just fine, the only bad experience I've had were mostly with other average users.
it is my belief that you cannot make a worse decision than to enter into debate threads.
I'm inclined to think that the less you care about VS debate threads, the less bias and inaccuracy your contributions to the profiles would end up being.
 
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