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Endeavor doesn't scale to Shigaraki and can really only damage him because of his heat.
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Issues with scaling for the MHA verse
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Probably not best to discuss this now, let's save this for a later date.
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Endeavor clashed with Shigaraki's Air Cannon as well.
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I agree, I'm in class at the moment.
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I agree with that, lets wait until Deku's injuries are covered like we decided before.
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If Damage finds a good starting point then he can make a new thread, though let's not bring up the God/Top tier scaling for awhile. I believe he's more concerned about are Lower Tier scaling anyway, which is something we need to take care of.
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Yeah. The Low Tiers need a severe reduction.
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I'm going to go through all of the lower-tier student profiles and lower-tier teacher profiles first, put together a sandbox, and try and point out the current flaws in the scaling.
I'll make the thread some time in the next couple of days.
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I'll see if I can find anything wrong as well.
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If you need help I'd be happy to assist
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No. I agree as well. People would literally be as strong as Weakened AM
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This is unrelated, but I think people are seriously overestimating the power of All Might, Deku is currently using 30% of All Might's full strength from Horikoshi's point of view, and that power didn't make him a top tier as we might think it should.
Basically, Hori probably doesn't believe the difference between All Might and the high-tiers is that massive, but that's just my opinion.
Basically, Hori probably doesn't believe the difference between All Might and the high-tiers is that massive, but that's just my opinion.
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Just some of the ones I've noticed
Base Deku's scaling is incredibly sketchy, it comes from a statement where he says it's only a small increase in power, but he's clearly comparing it to 100%.
The UpScaling for a lot of characters to High 8-C is just justified by they got stronger from a year of training for a lot characters isn't backed up by feats.
The villain bots scaling is sketchy as it comes from Base Deku's durability who comes from a casual Gran torino.
A casual gran Torino has no feats.
Gran Torino's placement has no justification just that he should be 8-A even though he has multiple durability feats regarding god tiers in the verse.
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That argument was already debunked: "Given the level my body's at, even when I control it, it only gives a small increase in power".
Show me where and when he was comparing it to 100%.
Characters jumping from 8-C+ to High 8-C is not sketchy at all, especially because Base Deku is downscaling from High 8-C.
Casual Gran Torino can hurt Full Cowl 5% Deku just fine, that's a perfectly good feat for me.
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That's not a debunk, that's just a different interpretation of a statement.
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Base Deku shouldn't be downscaling 5%.
Gran torino clearly puts more power into the kick when he sees he's in full cowl and even then he's just dazed, and deku even states the attacks really aren't harming him in the very next panel.
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All the feats point to him being just slightly inferior to his 5%, and that's what matters in the end.
Based on what? Your headcanon? Deku never mentions a difference in power between Gran Torino's hits.
True, but Gran Torino's attacks are still causing bruises on Deku's body, so those hits are indeed hurting him.
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What in the heck happened while I was asleep.
What are the arguments now
What are the arguments now
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I brought an upgrade for Nejire based on her feats.
Everyone threw their hands in the air and now want to re-scale the entire verse once again.
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To be fair, I've wanted to re-scale the entire verse since before this latest discussion.
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Deku was 9-A from the explosion to be quite honest I don't agree with using that High 8-C calc for 5% it's in the same scene where Bakugo gets a Town level calc , and Deku is keeping up with a weakened AM. I don't agree with it.
Bruises are incredibly inconsistent, but regardless the bruises were to a base izuku and even to him the damage was minor.
Regardless lets save this for another thread.
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Bruh, people are so funny on here. All I will say is that in-universe lore: Prime All Might Prime AFO >>> Weakened All Might and Weakened AFO >>>>>>> Everyone else. The gap is so massive that people couldn't even tell that All Might got weaker even 6 years after he got injured.
As for High-ends, they can be comparable the same way someone can say Bakugo and Kirishima or Inasa are comparable. Each have their own niche, apart from the base biological enhanced strength, speed & durability that all Black Nomu share, they are gonna have different stats just by virtue of having dofferent categories of quirks. Each has their niche.
I used the Warp Helmet High-end as an example last time. It has laser eyes and a Warp spatial quirk which is OP by verse standards.
It's obviously meant for long range combat but one can't directly compare it to Hood who literally has 3 physical enhancement quirks: he has his original long arm quirk + muscle augmentation + power which make him effectively for close combat.
The other High-end had bone skeleton armor and tentactles, it went from being shredded by Mirko like the rest to tanking her hits so obviously it's defence >>> helmet head when it's bone quirks are active.
These Nomus are just like humans and their quirks still determine matchups. Nejire could have done well against one but it doesn't mean she can suddenly stomp Hood or other High-ends. For example, against the Helmet head, Nejire doesn't have Mirko's speed to only lose an arm, she doesn't have the raw super-strength to crush High-ends to death like Mirko, only restrain them, so it isn't even assured she would win against that one.
As for High-ends, they can be comparable the same way someone can say Bakugo and Kirishima or Inasa are comparable. Each have their own niche, apart from the base biological enhanced strength, speed & durability that all Black Nomu share, they are gonna have different stats just by virtue of having dofferent categories of quirks. Each has their niche.
I used the Warp Helmet High-end as an example last time. It has laser eyes and a Warp spatial quirk which is OP by verse standards.
It's obviously meant for long range combat but one can't directly compare it to Hood who literally has 3 physical enhancement quirks: he has his original long arm quirk + muscle augmentation + power which make him effectively for close combat.
The other High-end had bone skeleton armor and tentactles, it went from being shredded by Mirko like the rest to tanking her hits so obviously it's defence >>> helmet head when it's bone quirks are active.
These Nomus are just like humans and their quirks still determine matchups. Nejire could have done well against one but it doesn't mean she can suddenly stomp Hood or other High-ends. For example, against the Helmet head, Nejire doesn't have Mirko's speed to only lose an arm, she doesn't have the raw super-strength to crush High-ends to death like Mirko, only restrain them, so it isn't even assured she would win against that one.
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Concerning this 5% is said to be a small boost but rethinking his feats it's a hefty boost based on his showings. He goes from being unable to see and perceive Iida's Recipro to fighting at relative speeds with 5%. Similarly he goes from needing a weapon and a one point bots momentum to cleave it in two then gets as strong as Iida who can one shot 3 point bots based on the manga. This is made more apparent as one point bots are noted to be fragile in the manga while 3 point bots might as well be tanks.
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There's a really good chance that Hori started to backtrack from this scaling if the War Arc's major fights are to be considered. But that's just my opinion.
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I'm pretty sure the robots are fragile by the MHAverse's standards.
I remember a One Pointer demolishing through a building in Deku's first encounter, it is essentially a tank as well.
I'm not even sure if most modern tanks can do the same feat as it did.
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I’m not sure if it actually took out a small building or just the wall but my point still stands. The one point bots are more fragile than all the rest while the 3 pointers are several meter tall metal tanks with several rocket launchers and Iida can oneshot them while base Deku can’t beat the more fragile one point bots.
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When did Iida one shot a three pointer, can I get a chapter number?
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Chapter 3. We get wide shot of him kicking a rocket from a 3 pointer than on that same page we see him destroy a bot with one kick.
Here: Put it on Imgur
Here: Put it on Imgur
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That doesn't look like Iida, why is that Iida?
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You know any other characters that release exhaust from their legs and use kicks to fight?
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Is this a version difference? I don't see any exhaust on his legs, that shot is way too far away to say that's Iida, saying it's Iida because he's kicking is absurd.
I do see a three pointer being floated, and in the next panel Uraraka is seen counting her points.
So Three Pointers can be destroyed by a fall like that?
I do see a three pointer being floated, and in the next panel Uraraka is seen counting her points.
So Three Pointers can be destroyed by a fall like that?
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Dude maybe it is a version difference because there’s literally exhaust coming from the leg that’s kicking.
Horikoshi like many other mangaka overestimates fall damage a lot. This isn’t new
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I'll trust you on that, since I was wrong before.
Though the anime has Iida one shotting a two pointer, while it still keeps Uraraka destroying a Three Pointer.
Edit: Just a small detail, nothing important. But I don't think that's good reason to ignore a poor dura feat. Why are the three pointers considered so durable, how durable are they again?
Though the anime has Iida one shotting a two pointer, while it still keeps Uraraka destroying a Three Pointer.
Edit: Just a small detail, nothing important. But I don't think that's good reason to ignore a poor dura feat. Why are the three pointers considered so durable, how durable are they again?
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I think the point I'm trying to get across still stands if its a 2 point or 3 point since both should be more durable than a one point and Iida seems to be able to oneshot both (depending on the viewing medium)
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Iida seems to fail to one shot a 1 pointer in the sports festival though, he's hitting the shield like part of it's armor so the bots might vary in durability depending on where they're hit. This takes place on chapter 25, you can see it being pushed back but he's not breaking it.
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Yeah, there's a lot of inconsistencies with the scaling as of now. Notably, Izuku's reaction time in his base being supersonic. Izuku gets completely blitzed by supersonic characters at times along with other students, so I doubt most of them would even be able to react that fast.
Not only that, but the calculation which is the cause of Izuku's supersonic reaction time has flaws it. It's actually stated that Todoroki's ice formed after Aizawa's eyes closed, not during his eyes closing. In case you don't believe me, I'll quote the text from it. "When he blinks... Before he opens his eyes again, that's your chance!"
Not only that, but the calculation which is the cause of Izuku's supersonic reaction time has flaws it. It's actually stated that Todoroki's ice formed after Aizawa's eyes closed, not during his eyes closing. In case you don't believe me, I'll quote the text from it. "When he blinks... Before he opens his eyes again, that's your chance!"
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Yeah you're right about that. Of the three characters we saw oneshot it the hit the arms rather than the shield looking thing so it likely is harder there.
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