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Well, regardless of the calc, he still had to be aware of all of them at all times. Well, either that or he is insanely lucky that not even one got through.
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The Big Bleach Speed CRT
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Which is funny, it's literally what Byakuya thought lmao
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It's literally shown in the page prior to the feat, that Ichigo CANNOT cleave through multiple layers, reread the chapter.
Ichigo is faster than the petals, but the petals are faster than the petals that had their momentum stopped, it's rather simple.
No as soon as Ichigo deflects a petal, the petal stops attacking. Because going by that logic, regardless of the scenario they'd infinitely bombard, since by your logic if a petal gets ricocheted off another petal it would still continue attacking. So, not a valid argument.
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But Byakuya controls the petals?
Why would he stop attacking because Ichigo touched one?
But Byakuya controls the petals?
Why would he stop attacking because Ichigo touched one?
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Going by this logic, REGARDLESS of how Ichigo deflects the petals they'd infinitely attack. It's rather SIMPLE the petals stopped attacking after they were deflected.
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because that's what happend?
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They stopped because Ichigo pushed *all of them* away and Byakuya thought it impossible. If Ichigo just pushes layer by layer, Byakuya just keeps bombarding.
They stopped because Ichigo pushed *all of them* away and Byakuya thought it impossible. If Ichigo just pushes layer by layer, Byakuya just keeps bombarding.
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That literally doesn't make a difference to what happened tho. He only realized it after it happened. How he did it doesn't make a difference.
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If you guys can find me a statement or other instance that the petals just... Stop... Functioning when being deflected, maybe I can concede.
Btw, Tyri, I saw that post. Glad to see you agreed with me. ovo
Btw, Tyri, I saw that post. Glad to see you agreed with me. ovo
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1 Feat, 2 Sides, 7 Pages (and counting), the Saga
Your argument works equally well against you. It's a void point.
If you guys can find me a statement or other instance that the petals just... Stop... Functioning when being "pushed away"/ricocheted into others, maybe I can concede.
Your argument works equally well against you. It's a void point.
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So you are saying Ichigo could blitz Byakuya but didn't at any point just blitzed into submission?
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It doesn't matter whether you concede or not, since this point is completely irrelevant to the validity of the feat in question.
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You know Ichigo did blitz Byakuya at first, but then backed off just to flex... have you perhaps not read chapter 163 in a while?
Ichigo can blitz Byakuya, he does it in the fight lmao. Hell even a fatigued Ichigo dodged a point blank thrust.
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Not at all.
I'm supporting Damage's interpretation with simple logic. Where the petals go when Ichigo starts swatting them? The cannot pass through the one's at the back, so what happened there?
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Byakuya catched his sword and reacted throught out the fight though?
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The petals fall away and the remaining attacking petals press forwards. What is so hard to understand?
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So suddenly Byakuya can't control those? Why?
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I'm going to link you a scan buddy.
https://***********.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-163.html
First two pages, you tell me what Ichigo did.
Ichigo could literally smooch Byakuya and Byakuya wouldn't know what hit him.
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Never said that. You do realize I can use this same argument against damage's or literally any other interpretation of the feat. It's not valid.
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Proceeds to block a strike witj senbonzakura, proceeded to catch Ichigo's blade.
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You know Ichigo wasn't going as fast in those instances right, he verbatim says "I can go faster"
So what's your point? Byakuya can react to a nerfed, slower Ichigo? No shit.
Also, when Byakuya catches the blade Ichigo taps his shoulder before hand, Ichigo literally gives Byakuya the courtesy of being able to react.
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This reminds me why I usually don't even touch anything HST related, even with a 6ft pole.
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Because people disagree with you? Ok then.
And Ichigo sped up when Byakuya caught the blade, yes.
Even then, *this* argument is pointless.
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>Ichigo deflects all petals with multiple swings
>Ichigo isn't faster than the petals, since that would mean he can blitz
>He had to hit them all at once, otherwise they keep attacking
I don't see any isues with this train of logic
>Ichigo isn't faster than the petals, since that would mean he can blitz
>He had to hit them all at once, otherwise they keep attacking
I don't see any isues with this train of logic
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There's no indication Ichigo was going at max speed when Byakuya caught his blade. Also, you are seemingly unaware that Ichigo was getting slower as the fight progressed due to not being able to withstand his own spiritual pressure.
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Ichigo is faster than the petals, Byakuya states "my Senbon can't keep up"
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When did I say Ichigo isn't faster than the petals?
What I said is Byakuya can keep launching more petals if Ichigo goes layer by layer. Now I see why you don't come to these threads. ovo
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Mighty bold of you to talk shit when you don't understand what's going on in the fight at all.
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Lmao I'm on edge man cut me some slack.
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So the reason why the petals stopped is not only because Ichigo swatted them. It was because Ichigo swatted all of them that it shocked byakuya because he saw Ichigo do something impossible. Therefore he stopped for a moment.
Btw in the next page using the time span where byakuya is distracted Ichigo reaches behind him. Warns him. Talks and then attack. At such close range Byakuya couldn't use senbon since that is inside his absolute defense area.
Btw in the next page using the time span where byakuya is distracted Ichigo reaches behind him. Warns him. Talks and then attack. At such close range Byakuya couldn't use senbon since that is inside his absolute defense area.
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Totally necessary comment. It helps your argument.
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You literally said Ichigo isn't fast enough to blitz. I might have to re read, but aren't his petals as fast, if not faster than himself? By that logic Ichigo can't be much faster than the petals, since he'd blitz otherwise, which you said he can't.
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That's what I said, correct. The act of Ichigo "managing the impossible" made him do a double take.
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The impossible here isn't keeping up with the petals' speed. It's swatting every petal away. If you read the next couple words after the word "impossible" you'd understand that. Byakuya verbatim states "my Senbon cannot keep up with Ichigo"
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Wow at this point the feat has been deeply analyzed to the tiniest details. To their motives, narratives even the reasons behind the course of action they choose. Its my first time seeing a feat getting so deeply analyzed.
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For what it is worth, the anime supports our point of view.
Here is a clip of Ichigo's feat, beginning at 21:00.
Look at the difference in these frames:
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You can see Senbonzakura in the background, and you can see Ichigo's slashes straight through it. Slow the clip down frame by frame if you want, and it will pretty clearly not support the notion that Ichigo is only shaving off layer by layer of Senbonzakura.
Before anyone throws a fit over the anime being used, the original calc already uses the anime timeframe, and in cases of ambiguous feats in the manga it is alright to look to the anime for additional clarification and information.
Here is a clip of Ichigo's feat, beginning at 21:00.
Look at the difference in these frames:
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Image 2
You can see Senbonzakura in the background, and you can see Ichigo's slashes straight through it. Slow the clip down frame by frame if you want, and it will pretty clearly not support the notion that Ichigo is only shaving off layer by layer of Senbonzakura.
Before anyone throws a fit over the anime being used, the original calc already uses the anime timeframe, and in cases of ambiguous feats in the manga it is alright to look to the anime for additional clarification and information.
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Trust me, there is worse
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Go to a Zelda or Pokémon thread. ovo
And how he swatted away every petal is where we disagree, indeed.
From this point, we will be going in circles. I still lean with Damage.
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