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TD Lavos vs Daemon

Dragonmasterxyz

Dragonmasterxyz

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For Cal's sake.

Chrono vs Digimon

The Devourer of Time vs The Lord of Wrath

-Re: Digitze Daemon

-SBA

FIGHT!!!

Lavos: 0

Daemo: 0

Inconclusive: 8 (Fate, Cal, PaChi, Ultima, Shadow, ALRF, Gar and Executor)

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Kaltias said:
How high is Daemon on the 2-A scale?
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"Easily killed a Powered up Barbamon, who stole power from the other Seven Great Demon Lords except Lucemon, with only 2 casual strikes. Said Barbamon fought both Taiga's Wargreymo and Rina's UlforceVeedramon without being serious, the former having fought and defeated Death-X-mo and a Powered up Yggdrasil avatar. After Killing Barbamon he absorbed his, the SGDL as well as Ulforceveedramon's power, Immensely powering up."
 
Yeah, I meant "who is the baseline 2-A out of those guys". Non-Powered up Yggdrasil?
 
From the Lucemon vs Lucifer thread.

Base Royal Knights<<<Base Demon Lords=Three Great Angels<<<Base Kid Lucemon< or = X-Antibody Knights and Mother Eater= Dexmon=Alphamon<<Powered up Yggdrasil<Taiga's WarGreymon<<<<<Powered Up Barbamon<<<<<<Daemon<<<<<<Powered Up Daemon<<<<<<<<Heavily Weakneded Falldown Mode Lucemon<<<<<<Fully Powered Falldown Lucemon<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Satan Mode Lucemon.
 
@Dragon pirate vampire clown demon > Demon ovo.

I see daemon getting BFR'd here.
 
PaChi2 said:
@Dragon pirate vampire clown demon > Demon ovo.
I see daemon getting BFR'd here.
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You realize Daemon lives in non-existence right? And he can easily make portals to get out.
 
Yeah, I mean he does it whenever he leaves the Dark Area. Both can absorb each other. :)
 
I dunno, but ugly for sure.

Okay... Could using the Dark Area to devour the multiverse be a way to prevent lavos from reappearing from other timelines?
 
I mean, when using a Code Key, and since Daemon has absorbed Beelzemon, should be able to use the gluttony one, isnt the True Form the one possessing the vessel and making an avatar out of it?
 
No, just the avatar, for that avatar's own revival iirc.

Also yes Daemon can use the Wrath, Gluttony, Lust, Envy, Greed and Sloth ones. The only one he cannot use is Pride, because, Lucemon.
 
Oh, alright.

Then... I guess either Lavos' seals or Daemon pulls a "Nonexistence erasure" coupled with his mid-godly antiregen, should kill Lavos if there is a way to prevent him from comming from another timeline.
 
Guess I can have a little fun with this matchup, so rather than debating or voting, I'll make one or two questions to see if others make heads or tails here.

1. Isn't Daemon a user of magic? If so he'll have a hell of a time against TD since Lavos can passively absorb magic (no, not just spells, Magic energy directly from the enemy if they have it) ever since Base, and was the one responsible for actually creating it in Chrono.

2. This might sound unrelated, but his profile lists resistance as opposed to immunity to Soul Manipulation. Does he have a soul?
 
!) He uses the same source as Lucemon. Some sources say magic, so say Spirit Energy, it's never truly specified what source Digimon uses. Unless they are Wizard Class Digimon...then it's obvious.

2) He's nonexistent, but he has a Digicore, or more specifically a "Dark Core".
 
This is when Fate debunks everything and gives Lavos the utter win vs Daemon. ovo
 
Well, since his profile lists magic and magic attacks, I'll assume he has Magic energy so that's a thing against him, since he'll be passively drained from that while making the thing stronger.

The soul point is because if Daemon has a kind of Soul, it should be noted that TD Lavos can put souls of 2-As to Sleep. FATE in Chrono Cross while having stolen Serge's body through Linx, used the Frozen Flame as a power source and through it manipulated the Souls of beings long after they were gone... On top of that, Linx on Serge's body puts the soul of EoS Kid to Sleep - Same Kid who is the daughter of Schala and can contend with the TD along with the party.

Btw what makes this Soul Manip feat even worse is that it was done by Linx/FATE channeling the Frozen Flame, so it's one of two things - either a fragment of TD has enough power to put the soul of a 2-A to sleep or Linx/FATE channeling a fraction of its power through the stolen body from Serge can do it.

...But nobody ever mentions this in threads because I guess soul manip is overrated.
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Since Lavos basically got - more like skyrocketed - to 2-A via Absorption in the first place, needless to say that something in deep sleep next to it wouldn't have a very good end.
 
PaChi2 said:
This is when Fate debunks everything and gives Lavos the utter win vs Daemon. ovo
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Nah, I'm more having fun with the thread.

Note how I didn't use any power that people usually mention in its threads as an argument.
 
And this is to reinforce that those who use Frozen Flame are just channeling Lavos' powers:

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Basically any feat done through Frozen Flame is basically someone borrowing a part of Lavos' powers, which makes sense in the context since even evolution of the species (especially humanity) was caused by it in the first place.

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I don't know how his soul hax will work on Daemon who is still technically a nonexistent being per the rules of the Dark Area his mind, body and soul have long been erased.

Also, to be fair, Daemon is 2-A for being above Power-up Barbamon and.....You can read the rest above. ovo

Basically Daemon is a weaker Lucemon, without the whole being embodiment of nonexistence nor having the Regen and well...Lucemon stuff.... He still has conceptual and nonexistence erasure thanks to Belphemon and Leviamon, and thanks to Belphemon he also has sleep based move. He also has Lilithmon's wrongly named Poison that turns your power against you and destroys you with it, and her Phantom Pain and Nazar Nail. Plus he has the Demon lords handy Mid-Godly Regen and reurrection negation. Not only that he lives in a realm of non existence that endlessly targets your mind, body and soul and yet he goes through it casually. Same with all Dark Area residents like Devimo.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
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In a battle of non-existent vs non-existent, I always assumed their hax can hit each other since well... They're interacting with the exact same kind of thing they are (or aren't). They just can't destroy the other if they don't have the whole Non-Existence Erasure on top of it, but then we have these workarounds.

I could legit say TD is above 47 different 2-As up till Serge with the Chrono Cross, but I'll be a sweet little cinnamon bun and go with "DD (possibly baseline 2-A) < Harle < Kid < Linx =< Fate with Frozen Flame <<< Dragon God controlled by TD at endgame <<< TD.

So while I'm never ever saying "TD is up there with other high end 2-As such as Lucey or certain SMT characters" in the scale of 2-A, he would be pretty ok facing a Demon Lord. ovo

And I know, but see, having a Sleep technique as well doesn't make one insta-resistant to it (while TD does nope status effects, though I won't argue on that) when coming from another 2-A. And all the times someone tried to use Lavos' power against it in verse without it wanting to (Sans endgame Serge), it didn't work (Zeal, FATE itself, Chronopolis, the Dragon God and a bunch of no-names who tried to use the FF and were erased but these are fodder).
 
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Conceptual and non-existence Erasure along with Resurrection Negation works, but will still need some time to actually put Lavos down for good what with the Acausal alternates coming along. Mid-Godly regen doesn't matter if he gets his Soul put to sleep and is Absorbed later since in both cases he isn't being damaged but integrated into the thing.
 
FateAlbane said:
In a battle of non-existent vs non-existent, I always assumed their hax can hit each other since well... They're interacting with the exact same kind of thing they are (or aren't).
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/\ Just for clarification, what I meant here is "they can affect each other granted that they have that part to be affected" (Hence why I actually asked if Daemon had a Soul before making that point). Not that a punch will do much against a non-existent thing.
 
But, Daemon is not just one Demon Lord. He's a base Demon Lord who stomped a Demon Lord who had the powers of the other Demon Lords, who is above a powered up Ygg, who is above the Royal Knights and X-Antibody versions who are so far superior to the Base Knights that the Base Knights cannot hope to compare in power....Unless you're Alphamon. ovo

Also I never said he could resist sleep stuff, I just said he had sleep stuff of his own. And can attack while asleep thanks to Belphemon.

He can also kill a version of Lavos and copy his abilities and thus gaining the ability to summon clones as well, because f**k the Demon Lords. ovo
 
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