• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Local Nazi Attempts to Impale Crazy Cat Lady with Spear

Status
Not open for further replies.
In seriousness, why is Bernkastel regen is High-Godly when this has Umineko characters at True-Godly?
 
Well Reinhard have better regn then her for first and have better abillties\more haxed over all

So i vote for ougon
 
Yeah i though it's weird that 1-A doesn't have true godly regen

I still stand for ougon being more haxed
 
Seriously though, Reinhard as Hadou God and by virtue of him having Taikyoku is already superior to Bernkastel, Not only that but he's Law is basically Him + LDO (billions of boosted to 1-A), Berny is not gonna have a fun time fighting against LDO who are now as powerful as Reinhard, Bey can just absorbs to increase power, Rusalka and the others can just keep a defensive line, Wolfgang and Eleonor are just gonna keep bombarding Berny with assults while Machina erases what she throws at them.

To put it simply, this is a stomp for Reinhard.

EDIT: Forgot to add 1-A Panzerfausts!
 
Yea i gotta go with Rein for ALRF's reasoning also don't forget Cain's corrosion plus the almighty spinne
 
ALRF said:
Seriously though, Reinhard as Hadou God and by virtue of him having Taikyoku is already superior to Bernkastel
Click to expand...
Wut? The concept of Taikyoku is not something special. It's just a hierarchy of dimensionless and non-dualistic power.

And of course the amount of fodder is not a problem for Bern.
 
Reinhard legion are as powerful as him, and fodder? Really? Sorry but tanking NEET attacks is no pushover, and again they are at his level, same level as Mercurius, same level as Ren Fuji, so yeah no they are definitely not fodder.
 
Rein's law allows him to let his legion rise to his level aka even skeletons are 1-A now
 
Also Hierarchy? wait what? Taikyoku is a not a hierarchy , it's a power while Taikyoku value just determine the strenght of a God desire alongside his Law. it isn't like Umineko.
 
That why 1-A battles are shit one guy says my character is stroonk and the other call the characters fodders ~

I would never take those battles seriously, 1-A battles are mistakes

Reinhardt will dig his holy spear deep in the witch
 
ALRF said:
Also Hierarchy? wait what? Taikyoku is a not a hierarchy , it's a power while Taikyoku value just determine the strenght of a God desire alongside his Law. it isn't like Umineko.
Click to expand...

Yep, that is, it is a hierarchy of strength. Ki level on steroids. And everything except this is secondary. Including the number of bodies through which Reinhard projecting his power.
 
>Including the number of bodies through which Reinhard projecting his power.

That...doesn't even make any sense, the legion are just boosted at the same level of his existence, they are as powerful as him, you just straight out called them fodder.

Reinhard = Snake = Ren = Reinhard Legion.
 
They are literally are parts of Reinhard and his power. The number and shape of bodies that Reinhard uses does not affect his level of taikyoku.

All this is just a form. Even if the increase in the number of bodies at the same level of existence can increase the intensity of the manifestation of power, this is a rather insignificant difference.
 
I will clarify, Reinhard's not just some Nazi with a spear. Reinhard as a cosmic entity is the totality of his taikyoku, legion, universe, kamunagara, law, etc. This totality is not a fodder. But some members of his legion are just like his body's cells. In themselves they are insignificant in comparison with the whole totality.
 
Ki on steroids? Nah i think you are confusing something here, it ain't remotely close to Ki, as if Ki function the same as Taiji.

Also everything you said, and you didn't say why LDO are fodders, soooo yeah. Again with this number of bodies, you aren't making any sense, they are souls boosted to the level of a God, they are a Legionnaire gods now.

And where did you get the part of them being " insignificant in comparison with the whole totality."? and how does the legion being Ougon cells relate to his power?

Sorry but you are just saying random things.
 
ZERO7772 said:
I think he's saying it's impossible for each and everyone of them to be as strong as Reinhard himself because they are cells and part of his own power
Click to expand...
Then he is wrong, It's pretty much outright stated that Legions gets a boost in power equal to the Hadou God.
 
Question off-Topic:

When VSB put Bernkastel to 1-A? and the other versions Like, Piece, meta, CotB, Game Master? xD


On Topic:

Dificult, Both Have legions in his side to attack, defend and have Hax (But reinhard i see his legions better than the Cats for bern), Both have Hax in "Equal" level, Regenerationn and inmortality, but i think i see Reinhard above to the witch because Takyoku Value, have better hax to outmatch berns Cat's and bernhimself, hax better Hax/conceptual resistence and others.

Also..., dat title, is like **** :v
 
Ki on steroids? Nah i think you are confusing something here, it ain't remotely close to Ki, as if Ki function the same as Taiji.

This is the power level. The power level of abstract non-dualistic dimensionless gods whose desires have become absolute laws. And this is the decisive factor in the battle. Taikyoku provides qualitative superiority. Legion provides quantitative superiority, that is an insignificant factor. That's why I call it fodder.

Even if Reinhard calls an endless number of legionaries who are "equal to him" (technically it's still part of him and it's his own power that allows him to strengthen the legion) this will not help him against someone with quality superiority. And if Reinhard himself has a qualitative superiority, then he will win even without a legion.
 
>Taikyoku provides qualitative superiority

That's the value of Taikyoku that shows who is the winner, not Taikyoku, that is in itself another thing.

> Legion provides quantitative superiority, that is an insignificant factor. That's why I call it fodder.

Eh what? Hmm, so because it's a quantitative superiority it's a fodder? That doesn't make any sense, you are basically saying because of them been nothing but numbers, they will be stomped by Berny, in fact that's kinda the opposite, They will flank her from all sides, how do you think they holded their own against Mercurius? Simple, because of Teamwork...I still have yet to see a single reason as to why Berny stomps theses "fodders".
 
@Dark did you played or read about DI ? Taikyoku value is what decide the power of the god in shinza bansho verse and how they comapre to each other

Fodder Taikyoku god with value of 1 is above baseline 1-A for being able to destory the throne "hyperversal tool " and the different of 10 equal the different of infinity because the god with higher value will pretty much be invincible to the law of the weaker one, Reinhard have 90 of them

He have his legion of millions of souls that all can be boosted to the same level as their master and yes they all around his level, you are mistaking if you think this is just reinhard giving them fraction of his power no this is his how his power work and how the system goes in this verse, the humans that were boosted were able to hold their own againts snake attacks "a god who is equal if not stronger than reinhard himself " and while yes it took all of them working to together to stand on equal ground the feat itself is impossible if they are not around his level to being with
 
That's the value of Taikyoku that shows who is the winner, not Taikyoku, that is in itself another thing.

It's pretty obvious that if I'm talking about power level, then I mean the value, not just Atzilut/Taiji.

Eh what? Hmm, so because it's a quantitative superiority it's a fodder? That doesn't make any sense, you are basically saying because of them been nothing but numbers, they will be stomped by Berny, in fact that's kinda the opposite, They will flank her from all sides, how do you think they holded their own against Mercurius? Simple, because of Teamwork...I still have yet to see a single reason as to why Berny stomps theses "fodders".

You said that "Taikyoku is already superior to Bernkastel" which implies that Reinhard has a qualitative superiority. And if so, he just does not need his legion. Otherwise, if Bern has a qualitative superiority, then the legion is also useless.

It is highly unlikely that no one has qualitative superiority, but even if two will fight at the same level (as in the case with Reinhard and Merc), then the number of bodies is again not a factor. Bern can summon any number of pieces and avatars to her own level (and her own power is not quantitative).

I just do not see the options where the legion can be important for this fight.
 
@Dark did you played or read about DI ?

KKK. DI is too mainstream for me)))

you are mistaking if you think this is just reinhard giving them fraction of his power

I know how it works.
 
>then the number of bodies is again not a factor. Bern can summon any number of pieces and avatars to her own level (and her own power is not quantitative).

Again you are just going by quantitative this, quantitative that, which clearly doesn't work.

Berny ain't got nothing on, Wilhelm absorbing her powers or the pieces she summons, they are not gonna survive against Tubal poison, they are not gonna run away from Eleonore fire, they aren't going to escape Rusalka, they aren't going to handle Machina ONE PUNCH, they aren't gonna hold off Wolfgang facerolling into them, Beatrice lightning, Rot Spinne Conceptual chokes (that doesn't even make any sense but hey it's the almighty Spinne). Quantitative has nothing to do with this battle, they are as strong as Reinhard, that's what matters, they were capable of affecting and go even with Mercurius.

Wanna go numbers? Sure, Shiori as a Gudou God is capable of summoning infinite possibilities (AKA other Shiori's) that are as the same as her, she can even create new one and what happened to her against the shade of Salt God(much weaker than his normal Hadou God self)? Simple he stomped her, remember this Satanel who only has 80 Taikyoku, a soldier boosted by Reinhard Law will just stomp him, no scratch that a single child is capable of stomping him.
 
^This

Elenoar after being boosted by Reinhard tanked one attack from snake, the very same attack that completely stomped third heaven whose shade "much weaker version" stomped shiori who can summon infinite possibility
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

QuasiYuri
  • Locked
4th Wall Breaking tries to annex Plot Manip: Plot Manipulation demystification and removal
2 3
Replies
109
Views
10K
Antvasima
Antvasima
Back
Top